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3.2
Average rating based on 232 Reviews

By: Alice L.

Posted: December 13, 2022

downhill but the view does not change

The parts of the first and all of the last half are along a 4 lane highway, which is straignt so you have the same view for a long long time. The course is net downhill but it is gentle so you don't notice it, there are a few uphills to suprise you. I stayed at the host hotel, the special rate made it a good deal and worth it, especailly as a desitination race. The orgainization was good, there was a new race director in 2022. The buses drop you off a 10 minute walk from the start. You can stay on the bus until you are ready for port-o-potties which are at the start, so bring warm clothes. There is a drop bag. Pros + net downhill, but gradual + good organization + we had good weather 32-60 Negatives - mostly on 4 lane highway - view does not change - sometimes on the shoulder which was uneven Glad I did it, not sure I would repeat,, a long trip from the east coast, but a fun special event
4.0

By: Wayne Wright

Posted: January 16, 2020

Downhill in the Desert

INTRODUCTION: I am a race-walker with a median marathon completion time of 5:22:52. The Tucson Marathon was my fifty-eighth 26.2-miler accomplished. COURSE: It was a great day for a marathon: 44 degrees, wind from the west at 5 mph with gusts up to 11 mph, and 50% relative humidity. The race, which began in Coronado National Forest just east of Oracle, was punctuated by a 300 foot drop in elevation the first mile. Shortly afterward, our five mile westward trek returning to and going through Oracle was met with undulating hills. At mile 6, we entered onto SR77, sometimes occupying one lane and other times being restricted to the shoulder, always going downhill, with vistas of the Catalina Mountains on our left, until passing mile 23 with the sole exception of a three mile out-and-back on Biosphere Road beginning at mile 10, represented by rolling hill terrain. The remainder of the course was mostly represented by running in almost a complete two-mile square represented by some slight inclines and declines to our finish line at the Catalina fire station, approximately 2000 feet lower in elevation from our starting point. Weather at the finish was 71 degrees, wind from the west northwest at 1 mph with gusts up to 5 mph, and 44% relative humidity. ORGANIZATION: Well organized. Expo was small but efficient. Motor coach transport from the host hotel went smoothly; also, we were given the opportunity to stay on the bus until minutes before the race start. Course support went without difficulty. Return bus service to both general parking lot and host hotel went without difficulty as well. SPECTATORS: Given most of the marathon route was on a state highway, there was little opportunity for spectators to be present. Some Oracle locals came out of their houses to cheer us on. CONCLUSION: A nice, quiet, mostly downhill run without many distractions. Well done.
3.0

By: Rick B.

Posted: December 29, 2016

Well organized marathon, early buses

I enjoyed this marathon although some of the organization is a little strange. Buses depart a parking lot by the medical center between 4:45 and 5:10 am for a marathon that starts at 7:00 am. We arrived at the start more than 1.5 hrs early. Most stayed on the buses a while. Why so early? We had warm conditions around 45 at the start and around 72 by noon by the finish but plenty of course support with gels, orange sections, and clif bars I think. At the finish a volunteer read my bib number, found my drop bag and brought it to me so I didn't even have to look for it. Awesome. No steak and eggs at the finish but PB & J on flatbread hit the spot and water, bananas, etc. there.
4.0

By: eduardo m.

Posted: December 19, 2016

NOT AS DOWNHILL AS ADVERTISED

Now I know why this marathon has steadily seen a decline in finishers for the past few years. Brutal course, brutal weather past 9 am. Run about half the course on the shoulder of a highway. But, well organized, and aid stations are well stocked and great volunteers. Will not run again. Tucson could have a more city-street marathon in January with a 6 am start
2.0

By: Lynn G.

Posted: December 11, 2016

fast primarily downhill course with a few hills

The first 10K of this course is my favorite, starting on a dirt road and winding up and down (mostly down) rolling hills. Then we got to the highway, and while the race organizers had blocked off the shoulder and often one lane of traffic, we were still running on a sometimes busy road. The mostly downhill course makes for a faster time, even with some uphill toward the end. The mountains in the distance are inspiring, but I found this a boring course after the first 10K. The organization is top notch and the water stop volunteers excellent. Having to take a bus to the start and back from the finish adds in extra time so plan ahead.
3.0

By: Jon W.

Posted: December 11, 2016

Tough course. Well organized.

Don't let the first 10 miles lure you in. Seriously. Don't. Once you hit Biosphere road you will be in for a rude wake up call. I tried to 'bank time'. The classic rookie mistake. I gave back 9 minutes in the 2nd half. This course ROLLS. Make no mistake. Could just be the toughest course I've ever done. Our bus driver got lost in the morning. Why does this keep happening? Bottom line would I have done it knowing what I know now? No. Don't come here chasing a BQ. Do the training and find a flat/moderate course. This course had ZERO shade. That desert sun beating you in the face for 3 hours doesn't help. Wow and those last 2 miles were absolute torture. Did we really need more hills here. Holy smokes.
2.0

By: Gonzalo I.

Posted: March 08, 2016

Not for the weekend Disney Runner

Have run the AZ Rock and Roll and Phoenix Marathon. Tucson Marathon is above these Phoenix Area Marathons due to its much cooler weather, much better scenery and smaller size. This is not a race for the 6 hour Run Disney crowd-has challenging hills in the beginning, middle and end. Volunteers are fantastic. All stations are well stocked and organized. The scenery is gorgeous-much better than the Phoenix Marathon. Buses up to start line are great. Weather is near perfect most of the time. But, crowd support is near non existent and you run a significant portion on highway shoulder. Train for hills. Will run it again this year-this is a race for those who love a challenge in small race.
3.0

By: Molly M.

Posted: January 11, 2016

Very challenging course.

I mistakenly followed the organizer's claims that this is a PR course, flat, fast, even a BQ qualifier. There are a few downhill sections. But the uphills add significant elevation gain. The out-and-back was a combination of long uphills and downhills, right smack in the middle of the race. By the time you hit some flats and the last few downhills, the sun was high and beating in my face. Not as advertised, I would say.
3.0

By: Gail T.

Posted: October 31, 2015

On my top ten list

I was a little nervous about running this race, but it turned out to be one of my favorites. Running through the desert as the sun comes up over the ridge is a very zen experience. It was very peaceful and relaxed - definitely not your standard marathon experience. There was a water and restroom stop every mile. The sponsors had their water stops later in the course, and were very enthusiastic and supportive at a time when I needed it. Yes, there is a hill toward the end, but it's not a big one and to be honest, I was ready for some different terrain. Buses were fast and efficient, lots end of the race goodies were available (pb&j!), and I am writing this review as I get ready to register for this year's event. Do it!
4.0

By: Jeff R.

Posted: July 28, 2015

Disappointing Course

I love Tucson, and the Santa Catalina Mountains are inspiring and drop dead beautiful. This course wraps around the north/west portion of them, so that was the highlight. Unfortunately it's the only highlight. The course itself is horrible. Much of it is run along the shoulder of a major highway which is canted. IT problems anyone? If you have issues running on uneven roads stay away from this one. Hills were not an issue - just suck it up. One would think in this beautiful city there would be better course options. Very disappointing.
2.0

By: RG F.

Posted: December 11, 2014

Not a Fast Course

The Marathon's website describes the course as, 'This is primarily a downhill marathon, with some hills around mile 2-4, and mile 11-12 and 22-23.(Again, there are some rolling hills and inclines between miles 2-4 and miles 10-12, as well as between miles 22-23).' That is a technically accurate description. Pay attention to the website's hill warnings. I think a more fitting description is: 'A net downhill course, but some downhill portions are punishing and the uphills (especially at mile 22) are sadistic.' The first two miles are a steep downhill where you can easily go out too fast with unfortunate consequences later in the race. The next four or so miles are annoying rolling hills, and then the road becomes flat to a slight decline until mile 10. At mile 10, you turn on to the road leading to the Biosphere for two miles of basically uphill and then turn around and go downhill those same two miles. At this point, I started to feel a calf cramp and knew the remaining 12 miles were going to be painful. (At one point in the race, I had both calfs and quads cramped simultaneously.) From mile 14 to about 22, the course is a manageable downhill, but unfortunately for me the first 14 miles so affected my legs that by about mile 20 the 3:15 pace group passed me. (I had passed them at mile 6.) At mile 22, to add insult to injury (literally), comes another mile or so basically uphill portion. Who does that at this point of a marathon? The remaining three miles are generally flat to a slight incline at times and, again who does this, the last tenth of a mile is a slight incline. I missed my BQ time by one minute thirty-one seconds, so admittedly I'm bitter. And, four days later, I can still feel the lactic acid in my quads and calfs. So, that's a more realistic description of the course and, if you don't like or train for hills, the downsides. On the positive side, it's a well organized course, logistics are excellent, volunteers are great and the first eight or so miles are of beautiful desert scenery.
4.0

By: Brian S.

Posted: December 09, 2014

Pleasant run in the dessert.

Pre race: there was a nice sunrise, & a full moon on the opposite horizon to gaze at. The morning was chilly, bring layers of clothing you can shed. Be ready for the hills at the end. Post race: the host hotel/resort was a fantastic place to unwind, & socialize with other runners by the pool in the warm afternoon sun.
3.0

By: morey b.

Posted: December 09, 2014

Small. Friendly. Organized. Not that fast.

Overall, I thought this was a well-organized, small race. The expo was simple- quick and easy to pick up your stuff. I stayed at a host hotel, which gave us an early breakfast, a late checkout, and had a bus to the race start. The bus was nice- and equipped with a bathroom (handy). I believe the 1/2 marathoners got 'school' buses. The start of the race was scenic. Buses brought you right to the start, and you could stay on them and keep warm for as long as you wished. Big floodlights lit up the pre-dawn road; rock music playing; quick and organized drop bag check- exceptionally easy and stress free. Race started before sunrise, but plenty light enough, and begins with a confidence inspiring downhill. Plenty of aid stations with lots of volunteers. Few spectators. The course, while it drops 1600 vert, also has about 450ft of climbing in it to take away from much of that benefit. It also starts at nearly 4900ft elevation. I'd call it a reasonably fast course- but not as fast as it might seem. Others are faster. Just the basics at the finish line. A nice medal, photo board, some basic food and drink. Nothing fancy. My only complaint was that (backdoor brag) the line to pick up age-group awards was really long. Unlike some comments below- the bus took us back to the hotels. For your family: There are only a few places that are accessible for spectating along the course. 19mi, 22mi and finish. Plus- it's a half mile walk from the nearest parking area to the finish; although the buses WILL take you back there. I'd do it again. Advice: Train on hills!
4.0

By: Gered I.

Posted: December 08, 2014

Challenging course, good organization

Transportation to start line and from finish line well organized. Small expo. Stations with plenty of water and gatorade. Great volunteers. Not as fast or flat ad advertised: roliling hills for half the course, killer hill at mile 22. Not many participants in the marathon, which is nice, you don't get that mega marsthon feel and have lots of space to run/work on your pace right from the start. Would run this race again. Crowd support is almost non-existent.
3.0

By: Christopher H.

Posted: December 08, 2014

Much Harder than Advertised

I have nothing negative to say about the logistics of this race. Maybe a few extra porta potties- but are there ever enough? Drop off at buses went smoothly. Drive out, had a nice nap and chatted with a polite gentleman beside me. Pottie line-up 6-10 deep but when you average 3-5 minutes per use- some people waited a while. They kept the busses going to keep us warm which was nice. Good music on a clear PA system while waiting for the start. Kept grooving to keep wam. Aid stattions well spaced and well stocked handing out gels early on- which I'm sure was a bonus for some people. Here's a tip for every race organizer on the planet: hand out salt pills to the needy at mile 20-ish. We had a hot day and lots of people cramped up- it's not lack of hydration- it's lack of salt. Now the negative: elevation profile on the website is VERY MISLEADING. The first 10 K has some pretty steep rollers and many with steep camber to the road. Murder on the knees and calves. I expected a smooth downhill as shown on the website but what I got was the toughest initial set of hills I've done besides Maui. If you do this race then plan for early hills followed by a serene, quiet run. No fan support to draw adrenaline from on this course albeit the law enforcement officers watching the corners were friendly and engaging. Finish line had ample water and food-I am not picky so bananas and water are enough for me. Once I download the elevation profile from my Garmin I will post it somewhere on the net so others are not caught unsuspecting as I was. My advice to the race director is to post a more accurate elecation profile on the website so racers have good information for their race plan.
3.0

By: Mary P.

Posted: January 10, 2014

One way shuttle to the start and no breakfast

I emailed the race director a few days after the marathon but she has not responded and it has been over a month. The shuttle from my 'race hotel' to the bus transfer point was one way only. I did not find this out until after I finished the marathon. I went over to the volunteer directing the buses and asked which one was going to Hotel La Posada and he said there was none and that it was a one way shuttle only. I had no idea which way to start walking or how far the hotel was. I did not have money for a cab either. I was tired, freezing and hungry as my 'race hotel' did not offer any breakfast. The volunteer did find me a ride after about 15 minutes for which I was grateful. I was really surprised that 2013 was the 20th anniversary for the Tucson Marathon. I have run 91 marathons and have completed all 50 states. Such shabby treatment is inexcusable. On the positive side the course was beautiful and the volunteers wonderful. There were plenty of H2O stops with gels.
3.0

By: Carol G.

Posted: December 16, 2013

Below average

I was disappointed in this race because of all the bus and car fumes they both run side by side with you for most of the course.the race takes place on the shoulder of a major road.
2.0

By: Alejandro Giffords

Posted: December 12, 2013

Is this the real course?

I am wondering if the course included in the web site -mostly downhill with few, small rolling hills- is the same that we ran on Sunday, with ups and downs all along the way and right from the start. This should be a prime winter destination marathon, that compares most favorably vs. Miami, a zoo with so many people and high humidity. Tucson is a friendly race and the sights are second to none. I really loved running it.
3.0

By: Howard B.

Posted: December 09, 2013

over_rated and not as advertised

shuttle arrangements were not reliable. Did not find out until morning of race no shuttle return only get there but 4AM shuttle for 7AM start ridiculous.Busses stayed until start so could stay in until cold start that was good.Well stocked with Gu good volunteer base next to zero spectaters and dull but fast course.Would have been nice to at least view biosphere at turnaround.
2.0

By: Jeff B.

Posted: December 09, 2013

Good scenic course, lacked volunteer support....

Expo: I don't care much about the expo, so this area doesn't matter to me. However, if it does for you, then this is a pretty small expo (the smallest I've been to in my 12 marathons). Bus Shuttle to start: I didn't like the fact that we had to depart at 5:00 (2 hours from the start) because we arrived to the start an hour and 20 minutes before the 7:00 start. It was 28 degrees at the start, and you could stay on the bus, but you were just sitting there getting all tight. Not an ideal situation to me. I would have liked to see them get the buses up there more like 30-45 minutes before the start of the race (not 80+ minutes) Course: The course was down hill, obviously from the elevation map. However, it did have more uphill than I thought (especially from mile 10-13) which on the elevation map, looks like it is flat. That is deceiving, because you actually go down like 50-75 feet, then up 50-75 feet, and repeat this about 7 times over the 3 mile stretch. I wasn't ready for that, but if you know that going in, I think the course was good. Volunteer support: It was unpredictable to know how much water/Gatorade you would get in a cup at the stations. One stop you would have about 6 ounces in a cup and then the next 2 stops the cups were like Dixie cups with maybe 1-2 ounces. At one point, I grabbed 3 water cups, and felt like I received a total of 4 ounces (not enough for my 190lb body). Overall value: I would rank this marathon in the $70 range (not the $100+ that they want to charge). I feel for the poor quality of the race shirt, the inadequate volunteer support, and poor post-race food (PBJ rollups, animal crackers, chex-mix, and bananas) that the entry fee should be decreased. I felt I got much more for my money with less expensive marathons (although they do have to shuttle you up to the start, which has its expense I'm sure).
4.0

By: Doug M.

Posted: December 08, 2013

A good December race experience

Organization tough to beat . . . registration was a breeze, transportation convenient, aid stations were high standard, T-shirt and medal high quality and the host hotel is very nice . . . with a fair race rate (considering the hotel quality). The first part of the course is interesting . . . high enough elevation so you get completely different plant zone. Part of the course is on 4-lane highway but they coned-off a lane so there was lots of separation and the car noise wasn't bad (not much traffic). This year's run was on the cold side + headwind most of the way . . . temps were unusually cold . . . usually the heat is an issue on the last part. It's mostly downhill but there are some rollers and ills that may get your attention.
4.0

By: Anonymous C.

Posted: February 13, 2013

Didn't like running with cars & traffic.

The first half of the course is beautiful, but as soon as you hit the highway, it's awful. I'm not very speedy, so by the time I reached the highway it was clogged with cars that were backed up in traffic. The noise and exhaust was a little too much to take, especially for the last 90 minutes of a really long run. Organization and shuttles and finish line were all great. I enjoyed everything else about the event.
4.0

By: Caolan M.

Posted: January 25, 2013

A Must Do

This was my replacement run due to the cancellation of the NYCM and it was a perfect one to run. The course is not 'easy' with some hills midway through, and a couple kicker hills at the end, but it is a good course. I was very happy with the early start and the responsiveness of the organization to move the start to an earlier time due to hot weather predictions. The start area and bus drop off was a little chaotic (and though there were lots of warnings that cars would not be permitted at the start and runners HAD to take the buses - that was clearly not enforced as the starting area (a narrow dirt road) - was clogged with cars, so the buses couldn't get runners all the way to the start area. My biggest complaint is that they do not order t-shirts according to registration forms - so since I was coming in later on Sat the only t-shirts left were large. I wish I could wear my T-shirt :(
4.0

By: Jay H.

Posted: December 17, 2012

Not bad, but not as fast as you expected

Good race and the course was fast at the first couple miles. Somewhere from mile 8-12 got few uphills. So save some juice for that part. Then from mile 13-20 was gentle downhill. Then flat from 20-25. Last mile and 0.2 mile was slight uphill. So again, save some juice for that last session. Great after race food and I think the bus rides were well organized. If you want a super fast and all downhill course, go to Ojai. That one is twice as fast as Tucson!
4.0

By: Mark Dabbs Walsall Running Ambassador

Posted: December 15, 2012

Hot and arid in Arizona

I ran this marathon and found the extremely early start to be bussed out to a cold and dark place in the hills a bit trying. Also the lack of any spectators along vast stretches of the highway - although Arizona seemed to be full of vast expanses and not much else - except cactus plants everywhere. The finish and the shuttles meant a walk down a big flight of stairs - who put those there? All in all I have to agree that if I should have done the Phoenix run earlier in the year rather than this one.
3.0

By: Lisa B.

Posted: December 12, 2012

Well organized, small town race

Despite being an avid marathoner and living in Tucson, I had never run the marathon until this year. From the bus ride to the finish line it was a great experience. There are a few hills throughout the course so be prepared for all inclines with this race. Being able to stay on the bus in the morning was a delight and the finish line was plenty stocked with food and drinks. There were quite a few aide stations and they were equally stocked with water and Powerade as well as gels. The only thing about this race I did not like was the run along Oracle Rd with the traffic next to me. The cars were fine and nice spectators in their cars but the exhaust did bother me a few times. I love small town marathons, Ogden, Missoula, and Tucson has that special charm I am attracted to in a race. Quiet, beautiful, and very well organized. I will happily run this marathon for years to come.
4.0

By: Chris O.

Posted: December 12, 2012

Average race with 1 huge negative

I have run 67 different marathons in 47 different states. I love the southwest and visit when I can (otherwise I may have given the course a '2'). This was an average race with 1 (or 2?) huge negatives. First the huge negative(s). Right up to race day the web site talked about shuttles to and from certain 'host' hotels with the last shuttle leaving the hotel for the start at 5:30 AM. I stayed at one of these hotels and arrived out front at 5:15 AM only to find the last shuttle was already gone. And I was not the only runner left stranded - there were several of us! Seriously! The last bus left at least 15 minutes early! This was bad enough, but what really bothers me is the race has changed their web site to cover up this mess! Before it clearly stated 'last shuttle to leave at 5:30', now it reads 'shuttles will leave when full'. Honestly, they have changed the web site - I have hard copies of the web site to prove it! So the shuttles left a bunch of runners stranded and the RD covers up their mess. What about the race? Yes - I did run thanks to a hotel employee who drove stranded runners to the start (20 miles away) in her own car. Pro's: > a beautiful sunrise over hills / mountains with the moon still in sky - awesome! > nice short sleeve tech shirt > nice medal (just a bit small) with great ribbon > great scenery for the first few miles > great volunteers at aid stations > plenty of energy gel on course > PB & J wraps, cookies, fruit, & variety of drinks at finish Con's: > shuttle busses - left me stranded - see above > race director - left me stranded - see above > race expo / finish / hotels are ~15 miles from Tucson (start is 35 miles from Tucson) - makes it hard to see the city. > course included a very long (miles!) straight section next to a highway with lot's of traffic / exhaust and never changing (dull) scenery > portto potties too close to start line - it became a real mess right before the start when the portto potty lines and people heading for start were all smashed together > no fans on course > not enough aid stations (except in last few miles) > dull post race finish area > no pizza / no free beer If you're traveling to AZ for a race I would not recommend this one. Run the Phoenix R&R (which I ran 6 years ago), Sedona (which I'll run next Feb), or one of the many other good AZ races.
2.0

By: Chuck L.

Posted: December 11, 2012

A different race experience

A completely different experience from an urban marathon. Nice course....the start time was advanced by 30 min due to forecasted heat...which made the start time logistics a bit trickier. Overall a nice race. The downhill doesn't help as much as you might think due to the altitude. Fun race.
3.0

By: Thomas Furnival

Posted: December 10, 2012

It was very good.

This year it was cool, not cold. Bus was great, both ways. Expo a little small. My only complaint is that I didn't know where the awards were presented and I had to check out of hotel. I didn't get mine. Great time.
3.0

By: Eliot E.

Posted: December 10, 2012

Fast but ouch

This race was mostly what I expected. It's fast because of the downhills, but not easy by any stretch. The first half is steeper than the second half. Much of the course is run along the side of a major road with mountains in the distance. I've seen better and worse. The running surface is asphalt, generally in good shape. The course is well marked and the few turns were well staffed. The aid stations varied - there are fewer than I'd like in the first half of the race (though it was very cool then) and some of them had too few volunteers bunched too close together to ensure that everyone got what they needed. Also, what's with styrofoam cups at aid stations?!? There were no clocks on the course and the food spread at the end was pretty lame. If you want spectators, you'd better bring your own. But the locale is great and the race well designed and smooth running. Having the option to wait on the coach buses at the start, rather than in the cold, is a nice touch. So, all in all, few complaints. I enjoyed the race and PR'ed it too. If you want to run fast and you don't care about walking stairs for a while, go for it!
3.0

By: Abigail L.

Posted: December 10, 2012

Favorite Race!

This is the best organized race I have ever run and has been consistenly for 7 years. There aren't many spectators if fans are important to you, but the course isn't over crowded. There is an appropriate distance from half marathoners and the finish line is great! I wish the course would return to it's 2005 route and eliminate the biosphere rd 4 mile stretch. I heard complaints about the the last two miles as well (which I personally don't find as unpleasant as Biosphere Rd).
4.0

By: floye b.

Posted: April 09, 2012

Could be better

I was disappointed by this race. No one seemed to know what was going on. For example, after the race I took a bus that got lost on the way to the parking lot. The first part of the race was cold, but lovely but towards the end it was less than scenic. The people at the aide stations were friendly, but there were no spectators (fine by me). A fine race, but it could have been better.
3.0

By: Mike S.

Posted: December 13, 2011

Weather great, better shirt, medal, and expo

This was my second time running this marathon. The weather was perfect- no higher than 55 when I finished. The course although a net downhill, has some variety and not for those who don't save any gas for the end- i.e. it's uphill for a bunch of the last 6 miles.... overall much improved!
3.0

By: Tom T.

Posted: December 13, 2011

Hard to beat December in Tucson

OK, I am a local and biased, but great weather is why I live in Tucson  the course along the Mountains is spectacular. The only thing better would be a 10AM start and running over the mountains, but I am weird. A beautiful day with temps in the 70s is hard to beat
4.0

By: marcy azcarate

Posted: December 13, 2011

great experience for my first marathon!!

I loved this course. It was my first full marathon and I was very pleased with the course. Amazing weather, tons of water and powerade stations and bathrooms, and beautiful view :) I would love to run this again!
4.0

By: Ted Hobart

Posted: December 13, 2011

Scenic Course - Needs Help With Start Logistics

Thank you so much for a very beautiful marathon course. I really loved being able to see the northern part of Tucson by running through it. I was in the early start group with the 50 States Marathon Club and we loved running under the full moon, seeing the sun rise, the mountains and incredible cloud formations. This was the fastest marathon for me this year and my quads are feeling it. Medal was awesome! The start line logistics was very confusing with the buses, drop off bags and even though I finished before the cutoff, there was nothing left to eat at the finish, but still its a 5 star race for me. Thanks for a great race!
4.0

By: John Derby

Posted: December 13, 2011

Worst transportation to start EVER!!!

The start for the half was a disaster. We were supposed to arrive 5 to 5:30, and got there at 5:15. It was like rush hour, no one was directing traffic in the parking lot, just a lone cop waving you in there. The buses were gone at 5:15 and there were hundreds, nearly a thousand waiting. At 6:00 two, then a third bus came back and it was anarchy, people sprinting, shoving, standing in the aisle, yelling on the bus, etc. Several hundred were left behind, and I can't imagine they started. This is not okay. The other comments are pretty accurate, although I don't come to win, so I can handle stopping for three waters if I need that many. The course I absolutely love. Almost no fans, but all of the ones present are awesome.
3.0

By: Lance U.

Posted: December 13, 2011

Love Tuscon ...Friendly Spectators & aid stations

The Medal was great The ribbon Awesome. The course was well marked and the aide stations were well staffed! Nice to get such a soft tech shirt. I like the expo small, friendly, and well stocked with runner needs. Did the race start 30 minutes later then previous years? If so, I like 7am better. Thanks for a well organized race.
5.0

By: Wendy W.

Posted: December 12, 2011

LOVED your volunteers! They went above and beyond

While running through the aid station at approximately the 16 mile marker, there was a young man handing out water to the runners. I was running thru the aid station, getting ready to extend my hand out for the water but the person in front of me took the last water. I continued to run (not stopping) to go back to get some water and next thing I knew, I heard heavy footsteps running behind me with a water cup in his hand saying, Miss...this is for you. He ran after me with a cup of water to make sure I had water until the next station. The gentlmen behind me, said, 'WOW', they have never done that for me! Absolutely amazing job from your volunteers!! Thank you.
2.0

By: Tom F.

Posted: December 12, 2011

Could be better

There was too much down and up at the beginning. The roadside running had some poor places and traffic on the other side of the cones. The roadway running was very good. I liked the course when it finished at the hotel area better; not so many hills. The late start affected my late departure from the hotel. I think a lot of people went too fast on the first hills and suffered the consequences. I needed to sit down after and I did find a chair. Very good weather. Excellent course people. A great job.
3.0

By: Marie S.

Posted: March 20, 2011

Really not a fast course

I have run 13 marathons and this race twice. I don't really understand why they claim it is such a fast course when the steep hills in Oro kill you as well as the ridiculous hill at mile 24.5. It's a race that has a few spectators, and a nice place to be for a destination marathon (what could be nicer than Tucson in December?!). However, I agree with most comments here. The worst thing about this race is the post-race expo. Set-up was poor, there was nowhere to sit down (in the blazing heat no less), and the bus ride back to the hotel took 30 minutes (our hotel was 3 miles away). I am motivated to run again because it is an easy race to get to, but I would suggest looking elsewhere for better options. I definitely agree that this race is $50 overpriced.
2.0

By: Julie B.

Posted: February 01, 2011

Going downhill...

This is my third time running this marathon and most likely my last. I think it is an ok marathon overall. Pros: Weather in AZ in December Downhill course Cons: Expo SUCKS! NO clocks/timers on marathon course Somewhat boring run - beautiful desert, though No 3:00 or 3:10 pacers I would run this once as a marathoner who hasn't run this. I would recommend staying at the OMNI, as it has a cold bath in the spa and an amazing spa that is included in the $100/night stay. A bargain for such an amazing resort. I look forward to staying here more than I do the marathon!
3.0

By: Brian Edmison

Posted: January 15, 2011

Drink the water

The aid station volunteers were great - very enthusiastic, and all called out what they were holding. The problem was that there seemed to be no pattern to the positioning of water and energy drink. At some stations one was first, at some the other, and at a couple, folks seemed to be standing in completely random order. As I said, yes, they called out what they held. But I don't slow down at aid stations - in fact I speed up, so I am going to grab whatever because I don't want to miss out. Normally, even this is no big deal, because I can handle most any flavor of Gatorade. But the stuff being distributed was XOOD, and for lack of a better description, the stuff tasted awful. I don't even know what flavor it was supposed to be other than some kind of pink melon something. Taking shots of that stuff to wash down my lemon-lime GU was just gross. I understand it's some kind of locally-made or -owned product, and that's great, but I would really rather have something familiar. The medal is a good one, with a full-color ribbon and heavy bronze medal depicting cacti under a partly cloudy sky. The post-race food included bananas, oranges, cookies, pretzels and maybe some other things I didn't see, but a strong point was the selection of at least a dozen different varieties of flavored waters and Muscle Milks, more than I'd seen anywhere else. Drop bag pickup and hotel shuttles - OK, school buses- back to the hotels were close to the finish. The goody bag had a trial box of Wheaties Fuel - far better tasting than regular Wheaties - but other than that, not much. The event shirt is a boring, white, cotton T, but I also bought a gray tech T at the expo, where a good variety of event merchandise was available for reasonable prices. I sort of just skimmed through the rest of the expo, but it seemed to offer a small but thorough selection.
3.0

By: Daniel E.

Posted: January 09, 2011

Harder than expected

The good: * Nice course with long stretches of downhill running. * Enthusiastic volunteers at aid stations. * Beautiful (although slightly unvaried) views. * Friendly runners (at least in the back where people weren't obsessed with BQ times...). Can be improved: * Buses should leave later. Sitting in the bus for almost two hours before the start was pretty boring. * Cotton t-shirt. * Food selection at the finish was pretty poor. * Finishing on sand. * The course profile doesn't show the rolling hills at miles 2-4. Sure, they weren't that severe, but if the hill at mile 25 is shown, why not show the earlier hills? Other comments: * Although there was a slight camber on the shoulder where we ran, it was nowhere nearly as severe as other races I've run (for example, Big Sur). * Because of the sun and heat, the last seven miles were pretty hard. I managed to keep the same pace throughout the race, but a lot of people had major problems. * I finished the race almost an hour slower than CIM two years ago. This course may be faster than a lot of other races, but I think both St. George and CIM are faster. Of course, the temperature and sun may have had something to do with my slower time.
3.0

By: Heidi K.

Posted: January 01, 2011

never again!

This was my second and last Tucson Marathon. They need to rethink so many things. Starting the half marathon before the full is just stupid - obviously, the runners doing the full need the earlier start. Busing runners to the start 2 hours before the start is, I'm sorry, STUPID. They have got to figure out something different there. There is no need for people to be on a bus at 5 a.m. for a race that doesn't start until 7:30. Most of the course is along a busy roadway and you are breathing in fumes and diesel and there's no oxygen. The course is banked, on a narrow shoulder - absolutely awful. I will NEVER do this marathon again.
2.0

By: Michael D.

Posted: December 24, 2010

A good, fast course... and an enjoyable event.

First, the course: I give top ratings to this course. There are a few short up and downhill segments in the first couple of miles, some rolling hills on the Biosphere Road, and then, finally, a few short, uphill stretches in the last few miles. BUT, aside from these, most of the course is slightly (almost imperceptibly) downhill for many miles at a time; therefore it's easy to get into a good pace and rhythm. Weather conditions this year were, in my view, very good. Very little wind to speak of, and I found temperatures to be almost ideal, though verging on being a little warm in the last hour of my run Overall, this course did not feel overly challenging to me, though it may have been because I'd done a fair amount of hill training in preparation. I certainly did NOT find the downhill stretches to be overly harsh on the legs - the longest downhills are very gradual, and the few steeper downhills on this course are very short. All in all, I found this to be a fast and, for me, perfect course. I was able to do better than I expected, achieving a PR and a BQ! The last 30 feet or so, turning onto the finishing mat, were on sand (though I'd been told it wouldn't be); however, this wasnt a problem at all. Regarding the start: I agree with other comments that the buses probably arrived at the start earlier than they needed to, which made for a very early morning. (I was up by 02:45, though that was partly necessitated by my personal pre-run routine.) Scenery at the beginning (near Oracle) was spectacular. Porta-potty issues were the usual, with long lines, though I think one just gets used to this in such events and just get in the line early. Regarding the expo, it was small, and nothing special. As others have mentioned, the goody bag was limited, and the t-shirt (white cotton) is not a keeper. Transportation (though, as mentioned bus departures were earlier than needed) was very well organized. Aid stations were generally good, and well staffed with volunteers, though at least one station did run out of water. The Xood seemed weaker and much more diluted at some of the aid stations. As an aside, there was one aid station - I think around mile 19 or so - that was serving energy drink that was ice cold. What a pleasure at that point! (Thank you, folks!) Security (keeping runners on course, and safe from traffic) was very good all along the route. Food at the finish was okay, though there might have been a bit more variety. Also regarding the finish, results were posted quite quickly. However I believe there was supposed to be an awards presentation, and I waited some time without anything happening, while runners continued to leave on the shuttle buses. Finally I just collected my age award from the desk and departed. (One particular note: some shuttle drivers did not seem to know the area very well, and seemed confused about where to go to get participants back to hotels or parking.) Probably the largest set of photos I've ever received from an event. Regarding staying in Oro Valley, its a good area with not a lot of traffic, good access to shopping and pleasant hotels... a warm and pleasant December escape, for a northerner. All in all, while (as noted) a few logistical aspects could be improved in this event, I came for the fast course, and got what I came for. I can certainly recommend this run for someone aiming to achieve a fast time.
4.0

By: Erin O.

Posted: December 23, 2010

Pros and Cons: Overall would not recommend

I spent a lot of time researching a good marathon for my 2nd BQ attempt. Tucson was the best choice based on its advertised speedy course, ease of travel from Denver, and climate for December. First the good: I thought the course was pretty and I enjoyed the views. I also enjoyed miles 14-23; the gradual downhill grade was awesome. My mom and I REALLY enjoyed staying at the host hotel and it was nice to be able to sit by the pool after the race. The volunteers were awesome as well, and they made the race experience. The bad: I registered a month out and had to pay about $115. When I got to the race, I could not understand why this race was so expensive. This was the absolute worst t-shirt and schwag bag I've ever gotten - I'm sorry, but I was pretty disappointed. Give us a copy of a magazine, or Chapstick or something at least! The on-course feed stations were not sufficient. I brought two water bottles with mix, but felt bad for those relying on XOOD and the few gels they gave out. That's just ridiculous! If you're going to use a mix that's not readily used or available, at least send out samples or something to allow people to try it without having to buy a huge thing of it. I was prepared, but would have preferred not to have carried my own stuff. The porta-potties at the start were not sufficient; admittedly I was one of those who opted to use a bush instead of wait in line for who knows how long. When the gun went off, the porta-potty lines were still multiple-people deep! The last hill at mile 24-25 was really pretty steep and the road surface was bad. Several people were walking up this hill and they were <3:40 racers. This caused me to register almost a minute slower finish time - and I ran up the thing! The finish area didn't have much protection from the sun and the food was not acceptable (rolled tortillas with peanut butter). Granted, after finishing, I didn't feel like eating much. But, for that steep of an entry fee we should've gotten better food options and even items we could've taken with us. Ultimately, I'm not convinced the course is that fast and I don't think I got my money's worth. I did just barely get a BQ, so I'm super psyched about that. But I probably won't be back unless some changes are made.
3.0

By: R. B.

Posted: December 19, 2010

Not that great!

Sorry about the negativity here, but I ran the 2010 marathon and found a few problems with it. 1. Zero camaraderie! I've run marathons before  and maybe the difference was that this one was a Boston qualifier  but despite the fact that it was huge and we were all herded onto buses, which might in other circumstances provoke conversation and friendly exchanges. Here, the other racers weren't particularly friendly. There was an absence of the fun, energetic esprit de corps I've seen in other races; instead, they were all worried about BQ this, BQ that, and so on. One woman even remarked, "I'll be SO GLAD when this is over." Uh... then why are you running? You're spending tons of your life training for something you can't wait to be over? This seemed a genuinely sad attitude to have, but it also seemed to be shared by many people, which I found disappointing. Obviously this isn't the race organizer's fault, but if folks are looking for a race where ordinary people like me (read: non-elites) are looking for a great time, the Tucson Marathon probably isn't your best choice. On the whole, I'd avoid races that are BQs and look for marathons that DON'T promote a personal record. 2. I had to get up at 4 in the morning to make the shuttle bus by 5... but the race didn't start until 7:30. The shuttle buses had us at the start line something like an hour and a half or more before the actual start time. Nothing to do for an hour and a half... fun! 3. The porta-potty lines were incredibly long. I must've seen something like 50 people giving up and just urinating in the desert because they couldn't afford to wait forever in the porta-potty lines. This wasn't the best way to start. 4. The out-and-back section at Biosphere 2 is psychologically depressing - it comes at a difficult point in the race and is a series of rolling hills, so you're really going "uphill both ways," or so it feels. Other people may feel differently, but out-and-back sections always make me feel like I've run a lot to get nowhere. 4. Why the heck do they call it the Tucson Marathon? Not one square foot of it - not the race, not the hotel accommodations, not anything  actually occurs in Tucson! It starts in Oracle and ends in Catalina... it doesn't even make it to Oro Valley, much less Tucson proper. 5. The course cuts off in Catalina, right *before* the highway runs past the most stunning views of the Catalina Mountains. Instead, you get fairly depressing, uninteresting desert through Oracle and along Oracle Road... and I speak as someone who loves the desert and lives in the Southwest. It's not the most attractive course out there. 6. Worst SWAG ever. Cheap t-shirt and a bunch of coupons... and that's it! Pros: Really nice folks at the aid stations!! Friendly and helpful throughout! Good distribution of bathroom facilities along the course.
3.0

By: chrise F.

Posted: December 19, 2010

A Mixed Review

This is a must-do race. With that said, there is the good and bad. GOOD: Organization is a well oiled machine. Pam Reed is an awesome race director. Great bus shuttle to start, with ability to sit on the bus to the end. Love 2010 course even though it is hillier than advertised. Super job at finish getting gear, wonderful medals, cool shirts, and good finish support! BAD: Not enough water stops. With a day in the 80's, I thought I would see more people falling over from heat stroke. At times, 3 or 4 miles passed with no water! (Bring your own water if you run.) What's up with the 7:30 a.m. start? Fix the time; 7:30 is too late. Hills were significant. If you do not have mountains to train on, good luck... you will have a hard time. And XOD??? My girlfriend puked several times from this junk. Get a better sport drink. All in all, great job, Pam Reed! I am hungry to do it again since the heat kept me from my PR. PLEASE make start time earlier!!! Then this race would be a 10 out of 10.
3.0

By: Wiliam T.

Posted: December 19, 2010

Quite an elevator drop, be careful

Loved the course and organization, but struggled after starting the 1st half too fast! I'll learn someday, but the toll the hills take mount up and cause issues at the end.
3.0

By: Jeff P.

Posted: December 19, 2010

not an easy BQ course

Since the TM bills itself as a fast BQ course, I'll start by saying the net 2200' downhill is very deceptive - anyone needing a 5-10 minute benefit of an easier course for a BQ will be disappointed. Average time for this year's race was 4:24 and many of the elite runners commented in the Tucson newspaper how difficult they thought the course was. As a northerner, the record heat was not beneficial, but the hills along the 3.5-mile Biosphere road stretch really take a toll later in the race. There's a huge downhill at the start but a person has to be at the front to prevent the massive congestion due to the narrow road - I chose to start over 5 minutes after the gun to avoid the mess. And the 1000' elevation drop from miles 14-24 is so gradual that it's almost like running on a flat surface. I struggled to a 3:54, which was 15 minutes slower than my first marathon. But with that said, everything else about the race is well organized. Volunteers were fabulous and the few spectators along the course were great - except for some clown at the 20M mark holding a sign that said, "You paid for this?" What a tool. Met some wonderful runners, including an old guy who started with me that had a fleece hat with horns that he vowed to wear the entire marathon. In summary, a great marathon to run in December - but not necessarily for a PR.
4.0

By: Chris V.

Posted: December 16, 2010

Well run event.

This was my first Tucson Marathon... ok, Arizona is now checked off the list of 50. :-) Pam Reed does a great job directing this smaller hometown race. I asked for an earlier start to accommodate my lack of heat tolerance (I am a burn survivor) and she let me start one hour early - much appreciated. The comments below me will tell you much more about the general route, starting in Oracle and finishing in Oro Valley. This year the route reverted to an earlier one, using the Biosphere II road as a short (two mile) up-and-back. Spectators: well, there aren't many prior to mile 19 or so (Oracle Junction on the highway) but they were enthusiastic. Plenty of aid stations, all well staffed. The hill at 24.5 stinks, but oh well. I had not thought about the sand at the finish line area until I read the comments below; I guess it did not bother me. The medal is nice - I think one of the better ones. The t-shirt this year was cotton, not a tech-t. Overall, though, this race is a good value and I have no major complaints. I have also run St. George and I think there are many similarities between these two events. St. George was the faster run for me, but not by much.
4.0

By: Karen M.

Posted: December 15, 2010

has all of the essentials

Ran the half so can't speak to the full. Liked the downhill course except for the little hills near the finish. A real drag. Adequate support with fluids and aid stations. Few spectators due to nature of the course. Did run my best half in 2 years. Nice having the bus service from the hotel. Wave start could be more organized with corrals based on pace. Instead it was more of a "first come, first served" basis. Not many frills, but what you need. Cheap T-shirt; they need to go tech. Pleasantly surprised by the quality of the medal.
3.0

By: Bradley R.

Posted: December 15, 2010

Good Experience, But Room For Improvement

I ran the marathon this year and in 2008 and the half-marathon in 2007 and 2009. After four years, my feedback pretty much remains the same. I will begin with the negative so I can finish on a positive note. NEGATIVES: Early-Morning Bus Ride To The Starting Line: Perhaps there is a logical reason that we have to be on the bus at 5:00 a.m. for a 7:30 marathon start. If there is, please explain it on the website because it does not make sense to me. I stayed at the Holiday Inn Express, one of the guest hotels, and was told by the desk attendant to be on the bus at 5:00. I complied, but the bus did not leave until 5:30. The bus ride took less than 45 minutes, so I was stuck at the starting line for an hour and fifteen minutes. If I chose to catch the bus from the Ventana Medical parking lot, it would have been the same as the last bus left at 5:30. 7:00 Half-Marathon Start & 7:30 Marathon Start: Why does the marathon start after the half-marathon? Can't they both start at the same time, or can't the marathon start at 7:00 and the half-marathon start at 7:30? The temperature was beginning to warm up quite a bit by the time I finished the marathon. It would have been much cooler if we had started 30 minutes earlier. Inconsistent Pace Group Leader: I lined up behind the 3:15 pace group leader, and when the gun went off, he took off. At the 10-mile mark, I was about 50 seconds under 3:15 pace, yet the 3:15 pace group leader was 45 seconds ahead of me. Aid Station Issues: For the most part, the aid stations were adequately staffed and well stocked. One exception was the aid station at the 11.2-mile mark. It was understaffed and understocked. Course Changes: I will not complain too much about the course changes except to say that I wish the course would have been the exact same as 2008 instead of part of the 2008 course and part of the 2009 course. Specifically, I preferred running behind the Bash's grocery store instead of the hills during mile 25. POSITIVES: The Course: With the exception of the comment above, I enjoyed the course. Although there were hills from miles 2-4 and 11-13, as well as in mile 25, the course was mostly downhill and fast (go to the website and review the course profile). Three days after the marathon, my quads are still sore as my legs took a pounding. Make sure to train on some downhills before you run it in 2011. The Expo: For a medium-sized marathon, the expo was good. On the vendor side, there was a lot to choose from. The volunteers working at the expo were very helpful. Spectators Along The Course: There were not a lot of spectators, but those that were out supported the runners. They were enthusiastic and encouraging and probably helped many a struggling runner. Finish Area: Some runners complain about the 100-yard or so finish on dirt, but I like it. It is different, unique and IT IS THE DESERT. Nice touch to set itself apart from other marathons. Recovery Area: The recovery area is pretty open and there are a lot of goodies and drinks to choose from. I was very satisfied. It was much better than I have seen at larger marathons where the entry fees are much higher. There were free massages to those who needed and/or wanted them. Drop Bags: The drop-bag process went very smoothly both before and after the marathon. It takes organization to get it right, and they did get it right. Good job. You wouldn't believe some of the disasters that I have seen at other marathons. T-Shirts and Medals: I very much liked them both. I guess I am just a throwback to the old days, but I am perfectly content with a t-shirt, not a tech-shirt. The t-shirt design was similar to those in the past, but the colors were fabulous. The medals were a nice step up from those distributed in the past. The colors on the also fabulous. Race Director: Pam did a good job, as usual, in putting together a quality marathon. There is always room for improvement and Pam certainly listens to the feedback she receives and she makes positive changes too (the 2010 course was better than the 2009 course). OVERALL RECOMMENDATION: The Tucson Marathon is a great marathon that everyone should experience at least once. I will run it again at some point in the future.
3.0

By: Laine D.

Posted: December 15, 2010

Great Destination, Average Course

I am trying to run 10 full marathons in 2010, so Tucson seemed like a great choice to get in marathon number 9. I've never been to the desert and wanted to combine hiking and beautiful scenery with my marathon. The website suggested the marathon would be down a mountain in a park-like setting, including scenic vistas and a run by the biosphere. Sounded great! We stayed at the Hilton El Conquistador, which is a nice enough resort hotel with a great view of the mountains. The shuttle bus to the start was a nice bus, and although it left at an ungodly 5 a.m., we were able to stay on the bus (with a bathroom) instead of outside. I stayed on the bus until 7:25, dropped my bag off and started running. The course starts in the Coronado National Forest but leaves it in the first two miles. Most of the run is on Oracle Road, which is a main road that runs from Tucson to the Northern suburbs of Tucson. The biosphere road turned around about a half-mile from the biosphere so you could only see it from a distance. The race started at 7:30 a.m. and by 8:30 the weather and sun were blazing - like running in a kiln. Really no spectators but there were water stops every mile with great support and the water even had ice in it (thank you). Though the race elevation chart looks like the race is a steady downhill, there are plenty of rolling hills that make it challenging. All in all, a good challenge but sort of less than I anticipated. I would ask Pam Reed the race director to find a more scenic course - in fact out of all of Tucson, Oracle Road is one of the least scenic! And start the race at 6:00 like the races here in South Florida - give marathoners an extra hour to run before the sun comes up. I would rather start out in throwaway clothes and ditch them on the way than finish that late in the day. On another note, the national parks of Tucson (Saguaro, Coronado, Sabino Canyon, etc.) are amazing and they make this a worthy trip for a marathon. I will be back next year but to try the Mt. Lemmon Marathon up the mountain (22 of the 26 miles uphill).
3.0

By: Daniel E.

Posted: December 14, 2010

Very nice race and very good organization

Positive: * Nice course; pretty scenic. The uphills between miles 1-4 were a little longer than expected considering that they are not shown at all on the course profile, but it wasn't too bad. * Great organization. The race director and her team clearly knows what they're doing. The bus setup, including the possibility to wait in the bus up until the start, was very good. * Great volunteers. Very easy to get drinks at the aid stations, and all volunteers were very supportive. Negatives: * Do the buses have to leave from the hotels already at 5 a.m.? It was a pretty long wait at the start (albeit inside a comfortable bus). * Finishing on sand. Not a big fan... * XOOD. Although I brought my own drink, I tried some XOOD right before the end of the race to see what it was like. Not really a big fan of protein-loaded sports drinks, and I understand why some people complained about upset stomachs. Other observations (mostly outside the race organizers' control): * Although the race is mostly downhill, the hills at miles 1-4, 1-12 and at mile 24 will affect your time. Go too fast at the start, and you'll pay for it later. * A little toasty at the end (up to 80 degrees when a slowpoke like me finished). Perhaps the marathon could start at 7 a.m. instead of 7:30? It was bright enough to start at 7 a.m., in my opinion. * A lot of people bonked hard! Checking the splits, I finished with people who were up to 30 minutes ahead of me at mile 19. Considering how slow I "ran" (i.e., walked a lot) at the end, these people must have had a miserable experience. Why can't people pace themselves? * If you're a lowlander like me, the altitude will affect you! * If you're from out of town and plan to drive in Tucson, be careful! The older population seems to have a pretty weak understanding of how traffic lights work....
5.0

By: Mark G.

Posted: December 14, 2010

Has improved but be warned: it is not all downhill

What has improved: the expo is easy and more vendors are there. Finally - a new medal! It looks good. Post-race area abundant with food and drink. What needs work: buses to the start got lost again; really??? Heaters and porta-let lines all in the same area with cars trying to go through there; really??? Post-race shuttles back to parking lots completely inefficient. About the downhill course: it does go downhill for most of itbut you must adequately prepare (physically and mentally) for the Biosphere loop at about Mile 9 or so and the nasty uphill at Mile 24 or so. The course is not 100% downhill - just know that now so you're not surprised race morning. Water stops were well-manned and the XOOD actually works well; but they should use different cups for each and serve the XOOD first, water second. Mile markers easy to see but there are no clocks on the course. Weather was great this year and there was a nice tailwind all the way in. You're never lonely out there - enough fellow runners to keep you company. Expect almost no spectators and quiet, desert landscape to your left and cars whooshing by on your right.
4.0

By: Dave S.

Posted: December 13, 2010

Great strides made in 2010 (over 2009)

I ran the full marathon (for the 4th time) in 2009 and was critical in some of my comments after that race. This year I ran the HALF for the first time. So I can't speak to this year's full, but I can say that my experience with race organization and execution this year was far better than last year. More specifically, the transportation logistics (buses both to and from the course) were immensely improved, in timing, frequency, clear signage, and directions. The gear bag pick-up was excellent, as in the past. The post-race feed was perhaps the best I've seen anywhere: great variety, quality, accessibility, even creativity. The only small hitch I'd note, which applies only to the half, is the somewhat sloppy "wave" start used this year; I'd have liked to see this organized perhaps in order of bus arrival or bib number. Otherwise, I say, "Great job, Pam! You clearly listened to past remarks and found solutions." I'll be back.
3.0

By: Rob G.

Posted: August 25, 2010

Nice Race - NOT Easy

Because this race is held at high elevation, it is a difficult to start off. Although the race IS mostly downhill, I found that the significant headwinds for more than 2/3's of the race (2009) MORE than outweighed the benefit of the downhill. I understand that they are reverting to an older (faster) route for 2010. Buses were good (but made for a very early start). The point-to-point route was nice (if you like rugged desert landscapes). Crowds (no fault of the organizers) were non-existent.
3.0

By: Raouf M.

Posted: April 28, 2010

Bring back the '08 course, or even better the '06

This is my sixth consecutive year at Tucson and the last 3 course changes keep making it slower. I would gladly pay an extra $15 to finish at the Hilton. The temperature and humidity are reliable and fantastic, and this course could rival St George, UT in speed and beauty without the bother of a lottery, overpriced hotels, and iffy weather.
3.0

By: David F.

Posted: January 29, 2010

Still a good BQ, but...

I have read a lot of the comments, and I agree mostly. The top five negatives are summed as such: 1) The new course is slower than old one (according to this website, the Tucson Marathon went from a perennial top-five Boston qualifier to 29th in 2009 - a huge drop). 2) Accordingly, the first 8 miles are quite hilly, especially that out-in-back at Oracle, and if you haven't trained for the ups you will have spent too much when it comes time to enjoy the down between miles 8-22. 3) Somewhere along the course a runner pointed out flags furiously flapping in our direction; it was a brutal headwind - obviously not the fault of the race. 4). The first aid station was under-staffed and caused a back-up. 5). The sand finish. Seriously?! All that said, I BQ'd (3:18:30) and ran a PR without trouble. But I did so because I trained like mad and the race conditions came secondary to MY conditioning, which is the way it should be, right? 5 Positives: 1) Few but very enthusiastic spectators; you get back what you give - a smile or "whoo-hoo" as a runner returned big cheers. 2) Drop-dead gorgeous sunrise at start. 3) Downhill between 8-22 - NICE! 4) Small race, with an easy-to-navigate expo, bus pick-up, and nice finish amenities. 5) XOOD was a curious choice, and I know some runners hated it; but props to the race for going local, and as it didn't hurt my stomach, I thought it was a good choice. Don't need to return, as the pros and cons are about equal, and there a many more races to run. BUT I would recommend it to anyone wanting to run it for the first time.
3.0

By: Jessica K.

Posted: January 21, 2010

Choose CIM

If you're looking for a fast course at the end of the year, I would highly recommend choosing CIM. If Tucson started the race at the current 8-mile mark, then it would be an unbelievably fast course (and the half course is PR material). However, the first 8 miles are so brutal on the quads that they almost negate the effect of the downhill slope during the second half of the course. This was my 32nd marathon and I tried to prepare specifically for the severe downhill section, but I have to wonder if that's even possible to do. If you decide to run Tucson, just know that it really isn't "lightening fast" due to the effects of this section. I personally have no problem with a cotton race shirt; in fact, I typically prefer them. However, the design leaves a bit to be desired. Pictures of Pam Reed running the Badwater from the early 2000's show her wearing the exact same shirt. The design hasn't really been changed or updated since then. Really? In an attempt to keep this from becoming a really negative posting, I will refrain from delving into the nastiness of XOOD and how poor of a decision it was to have us finish in soft sand. On a more positive note, I was able to fly across the country for this race and spend less than $500 total for the trip. My friend and I stayed at the Best Western on Oracle for a bargain price of $65 and it was really nice. Oro Valley was easy to navigate as was finding the expo and bussing on race morning. The finish area was spread out and had lots of good food/drink. It was a fun little weekend for me and my friend, but honestly I won't be back.
3.0

By: Caroline W.

Posted: January 11, 2010

Fast despite wind and hills

This was one of the smaller races I have run. The medal was not up to par and neither was the t-shirt. The course was fast as advertised despite the very strong headwinds, rolling hills the first 8 miles, and big hill at 24.5 miles. My time was 3 minutes faster than my previous few marathons - and I qualified for Boston by 12 minutes. Any race will have its challenges - this is a marathon we are running, and it is not meant to be easy to complete or qualify for Boston. I do have a few suggestions for next years race: 1. Lights at the porta potties would be great - using a porta-potty in the dark as a woman is horrible!! Temporary lighting is a must. 2. The on-course energy drink is not readily available. I mistakingly took the XOOD at mile 16 and paid dearly - my stomach was horribly upset. 3. Finishing in sand was unforgivable. This is a must-change for next year - I thought this was a bad joke. The morning was cold and being allowed to sit in the bus was a nice plus prior to the race start. We stayed at the El Conquistador and the setting was beautiful.
3.0

By: Max M.

Posted: January 11, 2010

Please go back to the 2008 course

This was my 3rd Tucson (I ran 2007 and 2008 too), and my slowest one. Of course the wind was a big factor, but in my opinion the early out-and-back was a bad idea. The old out-and-back at Biosphere was much faster. Tucson has been my end-of-the-year treat, where I could enjoy warmer temperature and a very good PR chance. I hope the course gets back to what it was in 2008, or I am not coming back.
3.0

By: Doug E.

Posted: January 09, 2010

odd course, great volunteers, t-shirt not so much

The course is overrated, the volunteers not. The first 8 miles are up and down through Oracle, where the people were great; then it's a long downhill into the wind on a state highway, and an odd finish through a residential area. The area is beautiful, but the course is some distance from the mountains, and spectators are not allowed until mile 18. Runners have to bus to the start two to two and a half hours before the race. The t-shirt is not a keeper.
1.0

By: gary c.

Posted: December 31, 2009

Less than expected... not just due to the wind...

I wanted to break 3:00:00 and failed. I will blame some of this on the nasty headwind over the last 15+ miles. I probably wouldn't have made it anyway, given my conditioning, but I had a shot. I ran 3:09+. I vow to do better in the future. This was my first Tucson. The expo was small but fine and I got my stuff in short order. The buses from the pick-up and ride to the start were excellent and efficient. Nice to be able to sit on board, in warmth, waiting before the start. Sadly I hacked up my right leg accidentally about 10 minutes before the start when an off-route cactus got me. Be careful out there! Crowds alongside the route were thin but enthusiastic. Overall this event attempts to emulate St. George, but is not as fast. But it's nice, respectably fast. It is a big downhill - almost 2,000 feet. The first few miles roll a lot, but are mostly downhill. There was an out-and-back from about miles 4 to 8, which roll for a bit followed by a big downhill to a turnaround, and then back up, reversing the route. Yes, this out-and-back really sucked. This race won't be reputed as a "fast" course as long as that section is included. From mile 8 for about the next 10 the course was beautiful; downhill and fast. Excellent. There was a bad uphill through a non-scenic area at about 24.5 that I'm sure could have been eliminated with a change to the route earlier on. The *sand* finish was completely wrong. Horrible. Race organizers, please fire whoever came up with that idea. I won't be back next year if the route description includes a finish at that same place, or that same 4-to-8 mile out-and-back. Ms. Reed, are you listening?
3.0

By: Gary C.

Posted: December 28, 2009

Not so fast, unless they fix it....

For 2009: OK, the headwind was bad (no, BAD!) over the second half, and there's nothing the organizers could do about that. Granted. And I wish I had fewer pounds to carry, and fewer years under my belt. But beyond that, I have complaints and I hope that the organizers listen if they want to maintain the reputation of Tucson as a FAST marathon. First, the out-and-back down-and-up between 4.5 and 8.5 has got to be eliminated. Horrible. There has to be some other way to make the mileage right. Maybe change the route back to finish at El Conquistador (even with the uphill finish, it's less nasty than what we had to deal with this year). Maybe something else you who live in the area can come up with. Second: **SAND** AT THE FINISH??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? What was up with that? Can't you afford to rent some astroturf or rugs or something? ARRGH!!! Flames dying down now... some things were good. The cushy (not school!) buses to the start were great, and being able to stay on board for awhile was welcome in the cold. On-course volunteers were great. The course itself was very scenic. Spectators are few but enthusiastic. -Gary
3.0

By: Joe O.

Posted: December 21, 2009

Fun race, though a bit pricey

I really liked the course. It is definitely mostly a gentle downhill. The wind was killer this year but that is not a fault of the race. Things needing fixing: The t-shirt was advertised as a tech shirt - which it was not. Too many races (not just marathons) are skimping and being really deceptive about this. It was a pricey marathon for what you get. The organization was weak and really needs work. My wife, not a runner, ended up volunteering to help with the bus loading! The information booth was frequently unstaffed Saturday at registration. Things done right: Plenty of water and XOOD (who really were helpful with the booth they ran before the race) and Carb BOOM on the course plus the Twizzlers at the end were just a great boost late in the race. The people manning the water stops were great and really got into cheering for us. This is a small marathon, so it was nice to see the spectators who turned out. The backdrop was fantastic. Mt. Lemon was awesome to watch. The course itself is great, definitely a fast course - I did not get a PR, but that was due to the wind. As has been mentioned before, staying in the buses at the start was a really nice gesture and enabled a lot of us to stay warm until the start. JPO
3.0

By: john m.

Posted: December 20, 2009

Tough course, but why did you change it?

Why change it if it's not broken? The mile-long hill some place around 6-9 miles was brutal and too long on the downhill/uphill climb.
2.0

By: Ed W.

Posted: December 18, 2009

A Fast Course but...

Overall, I got what I expected: a few hills in the first 8 miles, a fast downhill section and a tough hill at mile 24. The only unexpected part of the race was the strong headwind that saw the 3-minute cushion I had on a PR slowly evaporate over the last 6-7 miles. I agree with those who have commented about the shirt and medal. I do not race for the bling, but I paid almost as much to register for this race as I paid for Paris: the cotton t-shirt will soon shrink and the ribbon on the medal was already coming unstitched when they gave it to me. Still, I think I will run this again next year and hope that the weather cooperates.
3.0

By: Steve B.

Posted: December 16, 2009

Average event

The course overall was good to me. I definitely think it is a fast course; it just didn't work out that way this year because of the headwinds. Even with the hill in the closing mile, it's still a BQ course. If you don't BQ here, you need to check with the person in the mirror, but it's not the fault of the course. No crowd support, but what else would you expect on such a small marathon? No legitimate reason to complain about that. If you want lots of crowd support, go to the 20,000+ races. I agree with previous comments about the t-shirt and medal. Very "local, small race" quality for the entry fee paid. The pre-race pasta dinner was overpriced, but convenient for me since I stayed at the marathon hotel, so that was a "wash." I loved the buses being available to sit in until start time. That was great, especially the chartered buses from the hotels. Thanks! The food provided after the race was not that bad and the massages being offered were nice, although I opted not to get one. My only other complaint other than medal and t-shirt is the half marathon walkers still on the course that walk 3 and 4 abreast while the marathoners are coming from behind. We had to maneuver around several who didn't realize that they were actually in a "race." Not a big deal to many, I'm sure, but just more of a hassle. Overall, I had a great time, I like the course, and if other races in the works don't fall into place, I will consider coming back.
2.0

By: Jim C.

Posted: December 16, 2009

Great other than the wind

Per my Garmin, the elevation profile was correct, though I agree that it did seem more uphill starting around 22 or 23. That wind for the last 10+ miles was 22 mph directly into our faces. I thought it was a great course and well managed race. I don't see how someone can complain about the climb at 8, as that was part of an out-and-back, and you got to enjoy that same section as a downhill. The only issue I have is the lack of signs. I know directions are handed out, but after a marathon ones thoughts are not exactly clear and a few well placed large signs would have made it a lot easier. Specifically, it was very difficult to find your way to the shuttle buses back to the parking lot. The sand for the last 50 meters was tough, but it's only 50 meters and will probably make for some nice photos. Don't think this is an automatic PR; you still have to train for the hills (BOTH up and down) and run the race... and as always, anything can happen in a marathon. It's clear that the brutal wind really hurt the times. I have already signed up for next year. If the course stays the same and we get lucky with the wind, I WILL be ready and WILL PR.
4.0

By: Tim A.

Posted: December 16, 2009

A Good Local Race

I find it funny when marathon runners complain about how hard a course is. This course was fine and beautiful, but did have a few tough spots. I also personally liked the sports drink XOOD as well. First time in awhile that I did not have digestive issues after a race. I plan on buying some for training.
3.0

By: Robert M.

Posted: December 16, 2009

Very average marathon experience

Pros: * Qualified for Boston * Escaped the cold for a few days Cons: * XOOD is unpalatable * Cotton t-shirt in 2009?? * Absence of post-race food * Shuttle system overwhelmed * Overall, it felt like parsimony was the priority A very average experience and a relatively poor value.
2.0

By: Troy R.

Posted: December 15, 2009

Not as fast of a course as I thought!

Despite missing my goal time by about 20 minutes, I enjoyed running this race. I don't get to run in the Southwest much, so it's always a treat! Here are my general comments: The expo: very small and easy to navigate. I think I was there for 15 minutes and I walked through all of the booths. Race pickup: Having a shuttle pick us up at the hotel was a great touch! I just wish the coordination was a bit better. It was supposed to be a 5 a.m. pickup but we didn't leave until 6:15. That extra hour of sleep would have been nice! Course: The elevation chart was VERY misleading. It appears you do nothing but go downhill for 7 miles, then uphill for a mile, then downhill for the next 15 or so. Definitely not the case. The first 8 miles are very rolling and tough! Unfortunately, the rest of the race was into a stiff headwind and I was out of gas by 23. The hill at 24.4 or so was just plain WRONG (haha!). Fan support: I didn't really see much but the volunteers were very energetic. Thanks! Post-race shuttles: Better markings would have been nice! Nobody knew which buses went where. It took me about 90 minutes to get back to my hotel. Orgainzation: Good. Can't think of much they could do better. Schwag: I would have expected a tech shirt for the price of the entry fee. The plain white cotton t-shirt was disappointing. Race medal was a nice cactus, but very small. All in all, I'd actually recommend this one for a nice change of pace. Very friendly event. I may come back for the half!
4.0

By: Brian C.

Posted: December 15, 2009

Bring Back the 2008 Course!

Anything can happen during a marathon; some days are good and some are not so good. Weather is tough to predict and this year we had very strong headwinds from 13 to the finish. There are no spectators to speak of and you are exposed most of the way. The changes to the course in 2009 brought a tough 200+' climb between miles 6.5 and 8. With an entry fee near $100, Tucson is a poor value: cotton T-shirt, cheap finisher's medal and very little food/drink at the end (no space blanket). So why does one run this race? I suppose mostly to gain a fast time or to make the distance a little easier by running downhill. Bring back the 2008 course, please (and the weather, if you can).
2.0

By: Will M.

Posted: December 15, 2009

Would run it again

I just ran the 2009 race and here are my comments: Good: 1) The course: It's a steady descent for the most part. There is one out-and-back section around mile 4 that has a pretty good uphill coming back. There's also an unwelcome hill around mile 24. But, who's complaining? It's a definite downhill race overall. 2) Climate: Being from the East Coast, I wasn't sure what to expect running in a Southwestern desert setting. Turns out the cool, dry air in December in Arizona is perfect for running. Just keep yourself hydrated. While my muscles were sure hurting, I really didn't break a major sweat. Well, maybe I did sweat a little, but its certainly not like running at Myrtle Beach.... Not-As-Good (but not bad): 1) Not a lot to complain about. The course description on the website and materials they handed out were misleading. I tried to drive the course the day before and it didn't match the map they handed out. 2) Not really a negative, but there was almost no crowd support. However, I did keep running across the same small group of very enthusiastic supporters along the way. Thanks from "Neon Guy," if you are reading this! 3) The Setting: Ok, I'm not really complaining about this either, because the course with surrounding mountains is quite scenic and worthwhile. However, very nearby is the historic Catalina Highway, which is one of the most beautiful drives in America. Why not have the marathon there instead? Suggestions if you plan to run this race: 1) Stay up in the northern part of town, closer to Oracle. I stayed at an airport hotel, which was a stupid mistake. If I had it to do over again I would pay the extra dollars and stay at one of the nice resorts up where the host hotel is located. Tucson is one of those spread-out western cities, and if you stay on the opposite side of town, then you are literally 30 minutes (or more) away from the race itself. 2) Carb-load at Mama Louisa's restaurant. They have homemade pasta, and my baked ziti was about $10. Beats any pre-race pasta dinner (boxed spaghetti and prego?) I've ever had. 3) An actual running suggestion: For me, if I were to run this race again, I would start out with a pace group for the first 7-8 miles to help me get through the the tough "out and back" section. From there it's almost all downhill, and I would try to run ahead and make my time from that point. This is definitely a race where you should take advantage of the long, long downhill from about mile 8 to mile 24 (after the tough start).
4.0

By: Elizabeth C.

Posted: December 15, 2009

Decent, but definitely needs to make improvements

I came in a few seconds after my PR time, so overall, I was satisfied with my effort on this course, but I do have some suggestions... 1) As others have said, not exactly as easy as one would expect for a downhill marathon. I sure felt a lot of strain up some of those hills! 2) My goal was 3:40 in order to qualify for Boston, so this suggestion is for the 3:40 pacer. The guy took off at a below 7-minute-per-mile pace right from the start. I finally caught up around mile 7. Then, the pacer slowed significantly around mile 10 since he realized that he was going too fast. Then at mile 15, he realized he was too slow and took off like a flash. I think all of us that had stuck with him up to mile 15 were left in the dust. So, my suggestion for him is to find the AVERAGE pace and STICK with it. And for the race directors, realize that the people who typically stick with the 3:40 pacer are WOMEN trying for Boston. Please don't give me a 6'3" man who decides to stride out at mile 15. My legs just can't do the same strides. Missed qualifying by 9 minutes, and though I learned a little more about what I need to do in order to make it, keeping with the pacer really messed me up in making my goal. 3) What's up with catching a bus at 5 a.m. only to arrive for the 7:30 start at 5:45? Perhaps it was only my hotel, but I was under the impression that I had to catch that bus, and I would prefer to catch more sleep in bed rather than at the cold start. I think I would run it again... I just know I would stick with my Garmin rather than the pacer and definitely bring music next time, since most of the course is a lonely one. And yes, tech shirts would be a nice addition next year.
3.0

By: Kelly H.

Posted: December 14, 2009

Challenging Course

This race was not the PR course that I anticipated. I was conservative at the start, a little more agressive in the middle and then totally spent by the end. I missed my PR by about one minute, which was disappointing considering all my training. The organization was good, and the spectators who where out were enthusiastic. I would consider running it again.
3.0

By: Serena L.

Posted: December 14, 2009

Fast: Yes; Friendly: Not So Much

I grew up in Tucson, so it was only appropriate to partake in my hometown marathon course (I have been a runner for 15 years, but only recently began the marathon experience, with Tucson as my 3rd). In 2008, I participated in the Tucson Marathon Relay. The 2008 Relay proved successful. My mother (our support crew) drove the course with relay members in tow to various points, took pictures, and eagerly participated as a spectator at multiple points during the run. Her eager support inspired our first-place finish. However, in 2009, at the expo I was told that spectators would not be allowed on the course until after mile 18. I questioned the information  No spectators for 18 MILES? That is absurd! The marathon personnel reported that it was for safety reasons. Instead of driving throughout the course, I directed my mother to meet me around 14.5 miles with a water bottle. There is a dirt-road pull off at this location where she could easily park. However, the special police officers of Oro Valley demanded she move her car 3 times, to the point where they were writing her a ticket. She was told ALL spectators can only be at MILE 19 through 26.2. Reluctantly, she moved her vehicle. I was shocked when I ran past mile 14.5 and saw spectators! I couldn't believe the inconsistent discipline of the Oro Valley police  or the rule of no spectators for such an incredible portion of the race. Other friends/spectators had to hide from the police to cheer me on at mile 17 in order to not get a ticket. Overall, the weather was windy and unpredictable to Tucsons standard. I still ran a P.R.  and won my age group (the award was a southwestern sand painting - the exact same gift I received as an overall winner for the relay the previous year), but was upset that my mom wasn't able to be involved with my race experience. I will probably not ever run this race again because it was such a disappointing experience for my friends and family.
2.0

By: Alex S.

Posted: December 14, 2009

Good race; organization could be improved

Decent race, well worth running - but not quite a must-do. Tougher course/conditions than the downhill profile would indicate. Seems a somewhat better course would be possible in this area and/or greater Tucson. Few nits: no technical shirt, not enough on-course porta-potties, and post-race shuttle bus problems. Not quite as well organized or with as much attention to details as other top/favorite races, but Tucson is still a great place to visit and run.
3.0

By: Catherine W.

Posted: December 14, 2009

Pick almost any other marathon over Tucson!

The start was beautiful and the course is relatively fast, but the course drink, XOOD, was horrid and the aid stations were mostly drastically understaffed and overwhelmed. At one aid station, I observed that they had mixed up the XOOD in a trash can and then placed it such that runners thought it was a trash can. Despite the spent cups, used Kleenex, and GU packages being tossed in, they continued to scoop out and serve XOOD. It was disgusting. At other aid stations, I had to pour my own water. But the worst part was the finish and the interminable wait for a bus to take runners back to the host hotel. Note: I didn't even mention the unrelenting headwind because organizers have no control over that.
2.0

By: John L.

Posted: December 14, 2009

Good course, okay organization, no crowd

I just ran the 2009 Tucson Marathon yesterday. Review follows...: * Course: The course is very good, although not as downhill as the advertised 2,200-foot drop implies. Yes, it does drop that much, but there are some significant uphills along the way - especially at miles 8 and 24. My biggest complaint about the course was that you had to make a turn on loose sand 50 yards before the finish line! Also, the published elevation profile is CLEARLY not correct. * Organization: The race-day organization before the race is VERY good. The race-day organization after the race was terrible! Not much food. Hard to locate the shuttles back to hotels. There was a 45-minute wait for a shuttle once we found them. Also, the race shirt was pathetic for a marathon that I paid $97.50 for! All we got was a plain, white, cotton, short-sleeved t-shirt! * Spectators: Do not run this race if you want crowd support. There are very few spectators and most of the ones there are only cheering for their friends/family, not the runners as a whole. I know I said a lot negative, but this actually was an enjoyable race. It could just SO easily be so much better.
3.0

By: Aprelle D.

Posted: December 14, 2009

Enjoyable southwest experience

This was a well done marathon, and the chance to experience a beautiful part of the southwest made it memorable. The course (although tough) was scenic; no one could help this, but the biggest contributor to the toughness was the headwind from miles 14-22. Felt like I was running uphill, and took huge determination to run through. The uphill portions in the first 9 miles were harder than I expected, especially the one-mile stretch from miles 7 to 8. But in the context of experiencing the Tucson scenery, this was a course I enjoyed; the challenges made it interesting, and reinforced the sense of accomplishment. Well organized overall. I had fun at the expo, which was small, but I managed to find more than enough stuff to overrun my planned budget. Not keen on the race t-shirt, but I liked the hoody I bought, and the price was reasonable. There were enough spectators to encourage me when I needed it. I do not get too caught up in needing a huge fan club when I am tackling these races, but for others, they may have felt a bit sparse. The only recommendations for improvement are: 1) Provide more bus transportation back to the hotels at the end of the race. We were all tired and cold, and the wait for buses when in this condition not fun. I would gladly have paid more for the race registration to accommodate better ending transportation. 2) I was disappointed that I did not have the chance to meet Pam Reed in person; I had read her book this year, and was very inspired by her story; in fact, that is much of what brought me to this race. I understand she was busy at expo time, out evaluating the course - and at the finish line, I believe she was there, but I was too torn up physically to devote energy finding her. Plus, with the long wait for a bus, I had to opt to get in line since I was too cold to spend much more time outside. Realize she had 1.5 million things to manage as race director, but it would have meant a lot to me to let her know she has motivated me to keep up with this sport we both love. One additional positive note: the Hilton El Conquistador is a top notch resort. The accommodations and staff were just wonderful. Gorgeous setting - nestled into the hills - and I really enjoyed my stay there.
4.0

By: Lulu Y.

Posted: December 14, 2009

Fast downhill course, but...

This is no doubt a fast course (up until mile 19). From miles 19 to 22, it is a small incline even though the course map indicates a downhill course. Make sure you do downhill training, or your quads will be feeling it during the latter part of the race. Organization was good enough for a small race. I was trying to qualify for Boston, but missed it by six seconds, thanks to the strong headwind that we experienced from miles 13-24.
3.0

By: David S.

Posted: December 14, 2009

Some improvements; many more needed

A few things in the '09 edition of the Tucson Marathon were improved over '08: The bus system seemed to work well, and the drop bag system was great - i.e., a fenced area for bags at the finish meant that no one could accidentally walk off with your stuff. And the post-race feed was better than most. But the downsides again outweighed these upsides. The most consequential goof was the total absence of any sports drink at four consecutive aid stations in the critical period from about mile 4 to mile 10. Other things were amiss as well, among them: 1. Being told there's a course map in my goody bag, and finding out at home there's no such thing. 2. Course changes on top of prior course changes, making it difficult to guess which segments are in or out. 3. An unusually deceptive course elevation profile: yes, there's an 1,8000foot net drop, but most of it is in the first 10 miles; and the 2-mile uphill at some 5-6% grade around the 6 to 8 mile marks rivals the hills of the SF Marathon. 4. Mile marker signs were poorly anchored, such that the day's considerable headwinds had blown over about half of them. 5. No elapsed time clocks anywhere on the course - not even at 13.1 miles - and, in a related development, two separate and unequal digital displays at the finish, with no apparent labeling, so you couldnt know which was the full and which the half. 6. Finally, my opinion on this as a BQ is negative, unless you happen to be a runner who does well on uphills. I always run an early December marathon, and will sadly remove Tucson from my eligibility list till I see more uniformly positive runner comments. Competing races have their own bags of rocks, but their pluses will make them my choice in the future.
2.0

By: Eric W.

Posted: December 13, 2009

Still a fast and solidly run race

I had previously run the Tucson Half in 2007 and was glad to make it back this year for the full. The previous Tucson Half remains my half-marathon PR, and the full also provided both a PR and BQ today. That said, the race is not a cakewalk. The predominant downhill, with uphills thrown in, give some unique challenges, as did a headwind this year. The expo was small, but check-in and bag-check were well organized. A big plus for this race is the fact that the buses remain for participants to stay warm in prior to the race. Start line porta-potty lines were fairly long, but moved quickly. Having toilets on some of the buses offsets some of this demand. The weather for this race has been pleasant for both races I've participated in. I think the water stops were well spaced. However, the first 2 stops were ill equipped for the initial onslaught of runners (before the spread out) - the volunteers here were working hard, but were understaffed. Finish line featured massages and leg rubs, which appeared to be appreciated, although I did not partake. Race results posted VERY quickly. I rated the desert scenery 4 stars as an AZ native, but if you haven't spent much time in the desert, it may be 5 stars. The desert really is beautiful Medals are OK, but shirts were cotton; it would be nice to have a tech shirt option - without having to buy separately at the expo. Fans are fairly sparse (probably due to the relatively rural location), but those out there were motivational. Overall, a very good weekend and race - thanks, volunteers and organizers!
4.0

By: Roger H.

Posted: January 11, 2009

Definitely A Good Boston Qualifier

I would not hesitate to recommend this marathon. The course is challenging in spots but overall fairly fast. Organization was good. There were very few spectators, which is not important for me. Those who commented previously that this is not a Boston qualifier are flat wrong, as I qualified and was not in top condition. There are some challenging hills in the first 10K and the Biosphere Road area was pretty difficult. From there it was a nice gentle downhill until we had some uphill at the end. I did not do extensive downhill training and found it was not necessary as most of the downhills are gentle enough that my quads were not beat up. I think this is a great course with lots of variety. One commenter wrote that if runners knew the extent of the hills, this would scare runners away. I don't agree with this comment. There are hills but they aren't that bad, and there is a net downhill of nearly 1,800 feet. What more could you ask for? Challenges here and there give character to a course. We had nearly perfect weather for the race with very little wind and temps from 45 to 55. I would recommend staying at the host hotel, the Hilton El Conquistador. The price was reasonable and it had a festive holiday atmosphere.
4.0

By: Dddd E.

Posted: December 20, 2008

Are marathons supposed to be easy?

I honestly don't understand the complaints about the difficulty of the course. I came from out of state, having never seen the route, and it matched my expectations perfectly. There were some rolling hills between 2 and 4, between 10 and 14, and near the finish - just like it showed in the profile. None of the hills were particularly difficult - I can't believe a bunch of marathon runners are complaining that a course with nearly 1800 feet net downhill, and just a few short uphills, isn't fast enough. Marathons aren't supposed to be easy, or they'd be called 5K's. The start was on-time, the course was well marshaled, the aid stations were perfect, and my 4-year-old daughter loved the finish medal (she gets all of my medals). My only wish was that there was more substantial food at the finish line, given the entry fee. All in all, it was a well run race, and I would definitely consider running it again.
3.0

By: Brian H.

Posted: December 12, 2008

Overrated for speed

My brother-in-law and I decided that we needed a fast late 2008 marathon. First the positives: 1) Arizona is always a nice place to be in December. 2) I enjoyed the Arizona weather and landscape (although it does lack variety). 3) I enjoy the small-race feel. Now the problem. 1) Be honest in your description of the course, especially the elevation mapping. The website and all info regarding the race seemed to portray this as one of the fastest courses anywhere. Apparently the course has changed from previous races (it is only that now I am reading about it after the fact). I have run about 40 marathons. I like to train specifically for what I am going to see on the course. If the course has hills early then I will train running hills early in a long run, etc. It was a long way to travel for us to get to Tucson and I wish we had been accurately informed. 2) Non-existent crowds. Does anyone in the area even know that the races are occurring?
2.0

By: colette n.

Posted: December 11, 2008

LOTS of uphills at high altitude

NOT a Boston qualifier anymore. The course profile has not been updated for a reason: the new course would scare people away. I have qualified for Boston 7 times. A "really" tough course. The old course was flat and fast. Too bad they didn't let us know the true new profile; it would have saved several thousand dollars in travel for us. But fans were nice.
2.0

By: Dan F.

Posted: December 11, 2008

Call a Waambulance for the Whiners

To those who complained about the difficulty of the course, this a marathon. They are difficult and unpredictable by nature. Who told you they were easy? Miles 2-4 and 10-14 are hilly and hard. Prepare for it. Course itself is stunning and the race is extremely well organized. Race shirt, medal and expo are appropriately suited for a small race.
4.0

By: Marty M.

Posted: December 10, 2008

It's all about the course.

I've run the marathon here before, but ran the half marathon this year. My comments are general, so I think they relate. The Southern Arizona Roadrunners, who put this on previously, sold the event to Pam Reed, an accomplished ultramarathoner and former race director. The entry fee spiked this year, typical when a "for profit" company takes over. Look at Las Vegas. That's not necessarily a bad thing if there is value added. In this case, however, I felt the value didn't improve. I've never been an advocate of the Rock 'n' Roll events, thinking they were way overpriced; but I did Phoenix this year and I've never run a better organized event - and I received more than my money's worth. At Tucson, I actually paid more than for R 'n R. For the extra money, the "tech" shirt was cheap and skimpy, the medal was small, the expo was small and offered little of interest, and post-race refreshments consisted of some pretzels, cheap bulk cookies, hard candies... and the "main course"?? A bag of tortillas accompanied by an open jar of peanut butter with a plastic fork stuck in it. Now, I don't rate a race based on the medal or quality of the shirt, but we're talking $80.00 for a pre-entry for a half marathon 6 weeks in advance, and there should be a lot more value added where other races charge less and give so much more. I do take issue with the incredibly poor choice of a drop-off and bus pickup venue, which caused runners to sit in gridlock for up to an hour to travel less than two miles, followed by another half hour backup to travel a half-mile down a narrow road because buses could not navigate a turn around. I was a mile away from the bus pickup at 5:05 a.m. and did not get to the start line until 1 minute before the 7:00 a.m. start time. The porta-johns were conveniently a quarter-mile from the start line, and there were only about 15 of them for close to 2,000 people, and the lines were long. Given this disaster, which was entirely the fault of the organizers, one would have expected that the start would have been delayed. After getting out of the porta-john and stowing my warm-ups, I got to the start line more than 9 minutes after 7 only to find that there was no delay and all those runners who were fortunate to get to the start line without needing the pit stop, and those real fast folks who must have been limo'd in through some back way, were long gone. They can tell me that "well, it's chip-timed, so your time doesn't start until you cross the sensor," but a road race isn't running by yourself. That's a whole lot cheaper if you have a stopwatch. A race is about running with and competing against people of like abilities and using them to gauge your own pace and effort. I spent nearly the entire run either working my way around walkers and slower runners and avoiding faster runners flying by me. I didn't get this at Rock 'n' Roll and I didn't expect it here. The thing is, between the start and finish line, the organization was pretty decent, save for the lack of visible clocks at any mile marker, and the lack of any times being called out. Could they have anticipated the logistics debacle??? The course is a straight drop for the first half and a less severe net drop through mile 11. To consider this race the fastest you have ever run probably is true only in elapsed time, not effort; but for me, running faster at this distance at the age of 62 than I have in 9 years is a great mental boost, artificial as it is. I guess for those less serious about racing and looking for "bragging rights," this is perfect. For the reasons in this paragraph, I'll likely be back. But if I do, I'll make sure I find a back way to get to the start.
3.0

By: Paul B.

Posted: December 10, 2008

A very fast marathon course.

This marathon is ideal for running a very fast time. The vertical drop could easily improve your time by 5 to 10 minutes, provided you are equipped to run downhill a lot. I recommend practice running downhill and doing quad strengthening exercises for at least 6 weeks before the race. It's just as important that you learn not to fight the downhills by braking, but run smoothly to maximize the advantage the vertical drop gives you. There is an uphill at mile 25, which is tough, and it would be nice to separate the marathon runners from the 1/2 runners at the finish line.
4.0

By: Christina K.

Posted: December 08, 2008

Should not be your first!

This is a great race for people who have experienced their first "big" marathon. I was glad my first marathon was in San Diego. If this is your first race, you may be disappointed. The organization is not stellar, and that might not help your pre-race jitters. My bus got lost this year on the way to the start! The course is downhill and will give you a great chance to PR. I have run this race 2 times and improved my time at both races. Keep in mind that there are a few hills (rolling hills for the first 3 miles and one steep hill around mile 11) and the course flattens out around mile 24. The aid stations are well stocked and there are plenty of them. However, my idea of well stocked means water, sports drink and gels! As for spectators, well, there are none! There is no big crowd or fanfare at the finish line, but, is that really why you run? My only complaint would be the ridiculous time you have to be on the buses to get to the start. Unless you get dropped off, plan on waiting around for at least 1-2 hours before the race starts! In summary, if you are looking for a big crowd, lots of amenities at the finish and many spectators, this is not your race. If you want to attempt a PR or have the accomplishment of running 26.2 miles, than give this race a try!
3.0

By: some d.

Posted: December 08, 2008

A ski hill? Not quite... and other advice

Lets face it - every race has its own unique strategic challenge. Sure, this one is significantly (net) downhill, but that's coupled with some significant hills at 10-14 miles. Keep in mind that they might not be "too" onerous, given the pretty easy ride you have had until that point. However, beware: you still NEED to hill train. There are some longer inclines over half a mile-long in later stages, with the finishing 1.5 miles being a tough stretch, offering more nasty inclines/bumps that add to any desperation you might feel as you try to sneak in a BQ in the dying minutes of the race. I enjoyed the open desert scenery, but let's get to what counts: raving kudos for event planning who actually contracted tour bus transportation to the start, complete with on-board toilet! No shivering in the cold - just sit and relax on board until the start. A++++! For those not staying at the sponsor hotels, it can be burdensome/time consuming getting to the bus pickup point in the mornin'. So, stay at a sponsor hotel and save your sanity. Getting up at 4:00 a.m. for a 5:00 pickup outside of the hotel door is early enough. Beware: sponsor hotels enjoy bagging (considerable) extra money for late checkouts - it is extremely tough to get back and showered before noon, unless you fall into the elite runner category. Shouldn't a sponsor hotel extend checkout for no cost at least until 2 p.m.? As always... thank you, volunteers!
3.0

By: Dave K.

Posted: December 08, 2008

Fast, fast, fast course

I LOVED this race! This was the first time I've run Tucson, but my 16th marathon overall. My three big impressions of the race: 1. It's very, very fast. Yes, the Biosphere Road stretch (miles 10-14 or so) is admittedly not so fast, but the rest of the race more than makes up - it is an absolute launching pad. The race was so fast that I finished in the top 10 overall (something I've never done before at any marathon). I've read comments from people complaining the race is "no longer fast," that it's "false advertising," and similar sentiments. I simply don't understand these comments - I've run all over the country (including Boston, NYC, etc.), and I'd like to know what marathons these people think are faster than Tucson (even with the hills on miles 10-14). Maybe St. George and a few others?? 2. It's a gorgeous desert course: I live in Phoenix, and living in the Southwest, you get spoiled by the scenery. But the landscape during the Tucson Marathon is amazing, even for a jaded Phoenician.... 3. The weather is perfect: It was in the 40s-50s during the race, with NO wind, no humidity, and cloud cover. Best weather I've ever had for a marathon. Overall, it's a great, relatively small marathon (a little over 1000 runners). The ONLY negative comment I have is that towards the end of the race, I had to navigate around a lot of people who were walking the half-marathon (which starts a half-hour earlier than the marathon but shares the same course (the second-half of the marathon course)). Most people who saw me cheered and got out of the way, but some felt that they were just as entitled to the road as I was, and forced me to go around them (even if they had 4-5 people walking side-by-side). As most of you know, moving laterally 23 miles into a marathon is not the most fun thing in the world. Oh well, I guess you can't expect walkers to understand proper running etiquette. Plus, it's a problem that's not easily solvable, and probably only affects a small number of runners. (And, it's not like they had a 5K finishing at the same time and on the same road as the marathon (*cough*, San Francisco).) At any rate, this is a very well-organized race and one I'm sure I'll do again (if only to lower my newly-set PR). :)
4.0

By: Kamran Talattof

Posted: September 30, 2008

Easy, downhill, fast, and friendly

If you are looking for a fast, gradually-downhill marathon with no big crowd hemming you in, the Tucson Marathon is your race. I have run many races that are said to be fast and downhill; however, none compare to the Tucson Holoalua Marathon. The race starts in the town of Oracle and ends in the Tucson area.
4.0

By: Raouf M.

Posted: July 29, 2008

Bring back the old course ending at Hilton

I ran this one from 2004 to 2007, and the 2007 course was definitely the slowest (but still faster than any other I have ever run - especially when you factor in the very dependable perfect temperature/humidity). The organization is excellent, and promptly returned my emergency phone call when I missed my plane on Saturday. I have no other complaints. A marathon is about the course and weather, period! Those whiners complaining about crowds, food, music, and T shirts should go to a rock concert, a good restaurant and Target instead. Bring back the old course, Pam!
3.0

By: Eric R.

Posted: June 26, 2008

Quit complaining

For everyone complaining about how they slowed the race down and it isn't a "fast" course anymore, it has the 3rd highest percentage of Boston qualifiers (excluding Boston itself), with almost a 1/3 of the finishers qualifying. Let's focus on real issues, like t-shirts or medals. Come on, people: get real. You should be doing this for the sheer accomplishment, not for the biggest medal.
3.0

By: Russ J.

Posted: May 02, 2008

Nice, but no longer fast

This race used to be popular for those wanting to BQ; it was fast, relatively flat, and gradually downhill. No longer. The inclusion of a tough, hilly section from mile 10 to 14 in the new route makes it quite difficult, as this section really saps your energy with 12 miles to go. Then there are some uphills in the last two miles that make the finish really tough. This is no longer a fast course. It is still a very good race. It's a nice run through beautiful desert scenery, well-organized, and well worth doing. I would recommend it to anyone, but not as a BQ or PR course. The only other drawback is the cheap, white race T-shirt, which seems to be a tradition for this race.
3.0

By: Scott Busch

Posted: February 17, 2008

A Perfect First Half

I had never run a foot race before this event. My race experience came from cycling and multi-sport events so I am limited in my ability to compare to other running races. What I liked... - scenery (WOW!) - the terrain was friendly although the inside shoulder was uncomfortable - sparse hydration stations - the kids handed the kits to you almost before you asked for it - great work! What I disliked... - late entrant registration was challenging (location / process / venue) - base camp was a long way from the start and finish - the a.m. bus to the start was long and surprisingly cold; thankfully we were allowed to stay on the bus - finishing chute/area was oddly configured and tough to get back to, to cheer on the other racers (I had to hop a fence) Overall, this was a fun first race. There were a lot of really nice people on the course and on the sidelines. Thanks, Tuscon, for being my first! - 'Canada'
4.0

By: Shane Cole

Posted: January 27, 2008

nice scenery/misleading course

Like most everyone else I have both negative and positive comments. First the negatives: - I do not see how race directors can boast a fast course, including elevation charts and race map all year long, and then a few weeks before the race have a sudden change with no apologies or even justifications for the changes. My wife and I signed up for the race early on after reading about the course, including going on vacation and driving the course, only to find out a few weeks before the race that it had been changed. Very disappointed in that. After driving the old course and running the new one, I definitely think the old course would have been faster (though my quads would have taken that much more pounding). Not sure which would have been better without running the old course. - The new elevation chart did not adequately show those hills between miles 2-4 and 10-14. - Only having one gel station is definitely not enough for a marathon, but it was advertised as being just that. I brought my own and glad for it. - Parking area too far from finish. - I could complain about lack of spectators, but I already knew about this after reading other years' comments, so I was not taken aback by this. It was much harder on our family that wanted to see us than it was on us. - Very long wait on bus before race, but they did allow us to stay on board. Now for the positives: - Very scenic, if you like the desert. Mt. Lemon in the background was beautiful. - Perfect weather. Glad we did not have the rain and wind the 2-3 days prior. - Adequate expo for small race. - Everyone keeps complaining about cotton shirts, but for an extra $5, you got a tech shirt. Would have preferred a long-sleeve shirt (for a Dec. race). Also, the logo should have had "Marathon" bolder than "Half" and "Relay." - Post-race was adequate. - Very friendly volunteers and race staff. - Love the city. - Also, people complained about running on the shoulder. Although this is tough on people with IT band syndrome, it was stated in the profile. Same with car exhaust. I would probably run again if I didn't want to experience other marathons around the same time of year.
2.0

By: Bill D.

Posted: December 24, 2007

Beautiful Scenery

For a runner from the Canadian Prairies (-25 C the day I left for Tucson), this was a real treat. The scenery was astonishing. There were no spectators, true enough, but the blue skies, stark hills and desert backdrop more than compensated. The new route DID have some unexpected hills from miles 10 - 14, but I did not find these horrible. The Tucson Marathon does not come with all of the perks and organization that one might expect in a larger marathon (I am comparing it to Twin Cities, Boston and New York), but I rather liked the informal feel of it. Some examples: the Race Director (Pam Reid?) told us we'd be turning left, then right at the end of the first decline "just because," then said, "Ready, set, go..." to start the race. I do not expect a great deal of support on the marathon route - if there is enough water, I'm happy - but I would strongly suggest that the elevation map should more accurately reflect the actual topography. My Garmin profile did NOT match what was on the website. Would I run this one again? In a heartbeat. Thanks, Tucson.
3.0

By: Joe P.

Posted: December 23, 2007

Disappointing

You would think that this would be a fast course looking at the elevation chart. It's not. The first mile downhill is pretty fast but that's about it. Miles 10-14 roll up and down. After that it's relatively flat with oncoming traffic at 65 mph and lots of carbon monoxide. The course finishes with a small uphill grade at the end. Not sure why everybody has to sit on a bus for an hour and a half before the start of the race. The bus back to the hotel after the race was a nightmare. Instead of dropping us off he drove by the hotel and went to the public drop off areas, every other hotel he could find, and then back to the two host hotels last after almost an hour of driving around from the race finish area - which was only a few miles from the finish area. Simply awful. Thank you to all the volunteers for your hard work and great work at the water stations. Low spectator rating as the course doesn't lend itself to having any spectators anyway. If you need lots of spectators then this is not your course. Sorry to be so negative; I've had this race on my list of "to do" races for a couple years now and it's mediocre at best.
2.0

By: Dee S.

Posted: December 16, 2007

Very deceiving

The website advertises the course as gently downhill. It's very deceptive on their part. As a result, I won't return and won't encourage other runners to run this. There are a lot of things wrong with this marathon. They run it along the shoulder of a busy highway with traffic coming at you at 60 mph. Down at the bottom there wasn't sufficient traffic control at intersections. Some intersection didn't have anyone monitoring them and I almost got hit by a car at one of them. The aid stations had some sports drink that tasted like crap. I quit drinking it after about mile 10 because it was making me sick. Get some Gatorade. Only one aid station had Gu, and as I recall, it was fairly early on. Plus, because we were on the shoulder of a highway, when someone stopped in the aid station to get a drink, it would cause a traffic jam with runners being bottled up. The marathon ended in a dirt field. There was no crowd support and very little food. Overall, this was a disappointing marathon and I don't plan on returning.
3.0

By: Keith P.

Posted: December 11, 2007

Bring back the old course.

I was extremely disappointed with the new course changes. Granted, it has been changed before, but not so drastically. It is no longer as BQ "friendly" as it once was. The parking logistics (to/from) remain a major inconvenience, and please explain why the 1/2 marathon started before the marathon, forcing marathoners to sit on the buses for 1 1/2 hours. There are many other more scenic and runner friendly marathons in December to choose from.... And what is with those cotton T's?
2.0

By: Jody S.

Posted: December 10, 2007

Fast course, no frills

I ran this in 2006 and 2007. In 2007, I beat my 2006 time and ran a PR. Both times were BQ. People are whining about the hills but they should be grateful as it gave your quads a welcome break. If you train correctly, on declines, you will run fast here. No frills at the expo but that's not why you come to Tucson. You come for the weather and a fast course. Organization was fine and the spectators, though few, were enthusiastic.
4.0

By: Matthew C.

Posted: December 07, 2007

About what I expected

For my second marathon ever, I thought it was a nice course. There were no really big hills, and the ones there were occurred halfway through and broke up the decline nicely. I took 31 minutes off my Milwaukee Lakefront Marathon time run in the heat and humidity of early October, in large part I am sure because of the perfect Tucson December weather. The aid stations were adequate, and the finish area had the essentials, if no free beer (props to Milwaukee on that). I sort of had a hard time figuring out the start and end of the course the day before when I wanted to drive it the day before. The expo was similar to Milwaukee's, which had twice as many runners. And from mile 14-22 the course had wide open views and a good decline.
3.0

By: Alex M.

Posted: December 06, 2007

Very well organized, though not very exciting

* Very inconvenient locations for the start and finish - both outside of the city. * Totally non-existent spectators anywhere on the course, except a woman with the poster reading, "Down with Bush." * Totally non-existent entertainment. * A good place for a PR due to a predominantly (with a few very tough exceptions) downhill course, which means total devastation for your quads, but you will probably feel it already AFTER the race, not DURING the race. * A perfect excuse to come to Tucson to see the magnificent Saguaro National Park and the Kartchner Caverns.
3.0

By: Max M.

Posted: December 06, 2007

Small event, fast and beautiful course

I loved this race and I got my first BQ here. The pasta party was very entertaining. Being allowed to wait on the buses at the start line was also very convenient. I also had the feeling that the last miles were uphill. But except a tiny hill at mile 24.2, the elevation profile I extracted from my Garmin shows that the course was all downhill from the half-marathon point. The long slow uphill feeling at the end was just an illusion due to a milder (but still negative) incline.
4.0

By: Carlo B.

Posted: December 06, 2007

Not a fast course

The course has changed significantly and this information was not available to runners from out of the area. Between mile 10 and 14, where they made the course change, it was up and down, which was not expected and disappointing. This event should not be advertised as fast and downhill anymore; it has changed a lot! No indications at the park to get the shuttle bus; we drove up (20 minutes) just to realize that the parking lot was full and drove back to the medical center park where we could have parked in the first place, if there were indications. Then we needed to walk up again to catch the bus. One hour of time wasted. Plenty of hydration stations. Good food at the finish line. My friend was second in her category, so she got a plaque. We needed to search for it and finally we found a lady distributing these awards. If you were able to find her and understand what she was doing, then you would get your award. Very poor award management. Done with Tucson... even though I was planning to run it every year....
2.0

By: Bob Kroeger

Posted: December 06, 2007

Disappointing, despite the five-star scenery

I run a marathon a month and I ran this race because I had some friends in the area and wanted to experience Tucson. I had read negative reports on past years, but thought that the race director would have improved the situation. Wrong. Even though I qualified for Boston, I would not run this again unless there were major improvements, despite the fact that I would enjoy seeing my friends and this lovely town again. It reminded me of the Grandfather Mountain Marathon - one that limits its entries and shortchanges the runners in almost every way. I would bet that both race directors have trouble getting enough money from sponsors and so they scrimp on amenities for runners. The opposite would be Akron (that also charges a $70 entry fee) that gives a technical long-sleeved Axiom shirt, a one year's subscription to Running Times, gels every six miles, an impressive 5 mm medal, a sack of post-race food, and a free pair of Brooks running shoes to those who finish. That race director knows how to raise sponsorship dollars and he caters to the average Joe runner. So, how could this race improve? 1. Either lower the race fee to $40 to correspond to the dinky cotton t-shirt or give a quality technical shirt to match the entry fee. 2. Give gels at three or four stations 3. Have aid stations every mile (luckily it was a cool day this year, but Chicago should be a lesson to all race directors to have water every mile). 4. Change the route to a flatter section of town. The many side-hill cambers damage the joints and the declines make your quads sore for days. 5. Change the route to start and finish at the same location, preferably one with plenty of parking. This would eliminate the cost of all the buses and the hassle of getting up two hours early, only to wait in the bus 90 minutes at the start. There is ample outstanding scenery in the foothills where the roads are fairly flat. 6. Get rid of the unknown race drink. By mistake, I took it once and almost threw up. Stick with Gatorade or some other standard drink. 7. Again, lower the race fee to correspond with the level of the food or increase the quality of the food to match the race fee. 8. Some music would have helped. Surely there are plenty of bands in the Tucson area that would love to participate on a pro bono basis. 9. Spend a little more money to make the marathon medal different from the relay and the half-marathon. This doesn't really bother me, but I know that some were upset. Also the stick figure on the medal, Kokopelli, a lovely representation of local Southwestern Indian lore, is probably unknown to most of the runners. A little blurb about this wonderful legend on the website would have helped. 10. Publicize this race. Very few knew and even fewer turned out to cheer. There were more fans in Wynne, Arkansas, population of 8,600, where I ran last month. My guess is that nothing will change in this race, but, if it does, the marathon would attract many more runners. The volunteers were cheery and the sparse fans were nice. The Best Western on Oracle Road was outstanding: a five-star breakfast, complementary happy hour, and late checkout.
1.0

By: Mike W.

Posted: December 06, 2007

Need to update elevation map!!!

Tucson should be advertised as the race that used to be fast!! I agree with others that the old course is a lot better. I don't have a problem with changing the course as long as you advertise it in such a manner. It's still a very fun race and pretty well run. Tucson was great to visit, but I was surprised at the lack of local support or even locals knowledge of the event. Sorry to say this, but if you're looking for a fast and accurate course, that's very, very well run, look no further than St. George.
3.0

By: Julie T.

Posted: December 06, 2007

I hate to be negative but...!

I have run this marathon 4 or 5 times and it seems to need some sprucing up. Before I do the negatives, there were some really good things. The aid station volunteers were great. I missed grabbing water at one critical point and one of the volunteers went back, got some water, and ran back to me with water as I continued running! Thank you!! The guy with the van playing music got me uphill at mile 12-13, no doubt, and the taiko drums were the best. Sorry, now the bad news: As others have commented, there were some good hills this year; this is certainly not the fastest course. Try Logan, UT for that. The pre-race dinner is in definite need of help. It's not cheap, but we were offered not much more then a plate of pasta and salad with bottled dressing.... Where's the dessert? And as other mentioned, the post-race food is also lacking. At least others got peanut butter; the jar was empty when I got in. Some nice person from Clif Bars handed me a bag of Clif Blocks and that was about it. How about a little music or something a little festive at the end? Maybe the race director is tired, and with right. It's a very hard job, and for the most part, this marathon is well put together. Ah, but heaven is in the details and that where it seems to be lacking these days.
4.0

By: Trent B.

Posted: December 05, 2007

First time.... Eh, whatever.

First marathon. The lack of spectators was nice. It was like training. But the elevation chart is misleading. It shows a "steady decline." But there are some wicked ups and downs from miles 10-14. But they were manageable. Well stocked and facilitated aid stations. Great volunteers working them! Thanks!
3.0

By: Deborah D.

Posted: December 04, 2007

Great, beautiful race!

I LOVED this marathon. You cannot get a more beautiful, scenic course. The transportation, course, start/finish areas, and water stations were all very well organized. The declines and few inclines did not bother me, and I actually find that easier on the muscles than the continuous motion of a flat course. Loved the small-town feel of the race, and everyone was very nice to all the runners. I would have preferred a long-sleeve t-shirt and better food (like hot soup) at the finish line, but the course is the most important thing, so I have nothing to complain about!
4.0

By: Rob Klein

Posted: December 04, 2007

Cretainly not an All-Downhill Course

This was not a totally downhill marathon, like many of us thought coming in. A competitor from Ohio named Keith told me at the starting line about the changes for this year's course, and it somewhat frightened me! I then understood that it was changed from last year to include some uphill sections. The website and graphics that I saw must have been from last year. I mostly agree with the comments of Rich Johnson (see Rich's comments below). A young lady I met named Danielle was hoping for a PR coming into this race, and the hills wiped out that possibility for her. That was unfortunate, and there are, no doubt, others with similar experiences. The course of this marathon never actually got to Tucson. It started way up north, then had a stretch of several miles to the east, and then back to Oracle Road - the main drag - and ended north of Ono, as I remember. That is fine, because there were less high traffic intersections to cross. Had I understood that coming in, I would not likely have stayed in downtown Tucson. It makes sense to try to find affordable accommodations somewhat close to the finish line. Also, this is the first marathon I have been at that actually created a traffic jam en route to the initial bus stop/parking area. Police/law enforcement support during the race was well done. The fluid/refreshment stations were adequately spaced and were staffed with friendly folks. They used a beverage called "Comp" instead of Gatorade, and I did not like it as well - and honestly, I did not feel as replenished and refreshed as with Gatorade. The Clif Shots and snacks were a big hit, as usual. (At the end, the Clif representatives invited me to take several extra sample bars. That was cool.) Spectators were not as abundant, as at some similar-sized events that I have participated in. But it was still great having as many folks cheering us on as we did. The weather started out cool, but warmed to a perfect marathon temperature. Overall, I am still glad I ran in this marathon. There are a few refinements that could help for next year's race, like making certain everyone knows the elevation issues coming in. But Pam Reed still did a great job planning and executing this marathon, and making sure everyone had rides. There was plenty of fruit, wraps with peanut butter/honey, and beverages at the finish line. Lastly, I highly recommend Pam's book on her distance running experiences.
4.0

By: Richard S.

Posted: December 04, 2007

No complaints

I consider this to be my "first" marathon - I ran Chicago but they stopped the race at Mile 17. I did not mind the lack of spectators. The water stations were well stocked, and the volunteers were enthusiastic and supportive as I hobbled in to complete the course in under 6 hours. I was not aware of the killer climb between Mile 10 and 12, and the parking situation was iffy, but overall I had a great time - and thanks to Tucson, I can say now say that I have completed a marathon.
4.0

By: Laurie K.

Posted: December 04, 2007

Still scenic, but slower

I've done Tucson 7 times since 1997. The best course is to start in Oracle and finish at the Hilton. Every change they have tried makes the course slower, and this was the worst yet. I talked 3 friends into doing Tucson instead of CIM and I feel awful! The organization is top-notch, and the scenery is gorgeous, but if you want a PR or a Boston qualifier, do St. George!
3.0

By: Larry Steller

Posted: December 04, 2007

Great climate, good marathon, tough logistics

Tucson can be counted on to be one of the most consistent and best climates for marathon running - and 2007 was no exception with clear, dry conditions and temperatures in the upper 40s to low 50s during most of the run. With the expo., bus pickup, start, and finish all being located at different places, it makes for some logistical issues and requires patience. The last bus for the long ride to the Oracle start line leaves at 6 a.m. By 5:15 a.m., the line of cars turning on the street leading to the parking area outside of town was a couple of miles long. I did not see any traffic control; rather, cars had to wait for the normal cycles of the light. The primary parking area filled up, requiring the later arrivals to walk (or run) uphill about a quarter mile to the bus pick up. There were very few volunteer providing direction and many participants were confused and tense. After the finish, unless you were fortunate to have someone pick you up, you had to take a bus back to the parking area. Not a big deal, but just more hassles when you're especially tired. As long as you come with patience and understand the logistics, the race is otherwise well done. As some previous posters have commented, do not be fooled by the elevation profiles. There are some significant inclines and declines, including an out-and-back section from about mile 11 to 13 that seemed particularly tough. Water stations were well stocked and manned by enthusiastic volunteers. Agree with an earlier comment related to the Westward Look Hotel. They advised that a single 5 a.m. shuttle to the parking area would be provided; however, we had no information on a return shuttle. Would suggest those staying in area hotels just plan on renting a car to drive to the bus pick-up area as the expo., bus pick -up and nearest hotels are miles from each other (unless you stay at the El Conquistador, which is the home of the expo... but at least for 2007, not the location of the finish line.).
3.0

By: Diana M.

Posted: December 04, 2007

Looking for a Boston qualifier? Look elsewhere.

The course has changed significantly and this information was not available to runners from out of the area. Very hilly in the first half (and at altitude). This event should not be advertised as fast and downhill - most people I talked to were very unhappy with their results. Most ran slower than usual. No good map available at the expo identifying the shuttle bus location. Plenty of hydration stations. Not many spectators, but that didn't bother me. They shut down the line after about 4:30 finishers, so I couldn't get a massage. Meager food offerings at the end. Same medal but different ribbon for the full, half and relay. I wouldn't waste my time again. I should have gone to Vegas.
2.0

By: Dee S.

Posted: December 04, 2007

I'd skip this one

I have a lot of complaints with this marathon. There are too many to list so I'll hit the major ones. First, and most important, is the deceptive graph they show on their website and literature. They make it appear that this is a gentle downhill course the entire way. That's not the case at all. The first four miles have a lot of hills, as do miles 10 through 14. Two of these are pretty significant. Also, once you get past mile 20, there is a steady uphill climb almost to 24. The last two miles also have have some significant uphill portions. My next complaint is with the roads the marathon is run on. We ran down the shoulder of a busy highway with cars zooming by at 65 mph. Then when we left the highway the last two miles there wasn't adequate traffic control and I almost was hit by a car at an intersection that didn't have anyone monitoring the traffic. There were times at the aid stations when there were traffic jams with runners because someone would stop to get a drink and the shoulder wasn't wide enough for other runners to get around. They also need to get some Gatorade. I don't know what that drink was at the aid stations, but it tasted like crap. Runners need electrolyte replacement and it shouldn't make our stomachs sick. The food and drink at the finish line were almost non-existent. the finish area had about a hundred spectators and they took you into a dirt field with very little shade. There was no one there assisting struggling runners across the finish line and I had to track someone down to take my chip. These are just a few of my criticisms of the race. I'm glad I ran it but I don't plan on returning without some major improvements. It seems as though the organizers are content with having a small-town event.
2.0

By: George Z.

Posted: December 03, 2007

And yes, it's fast

My wife and I ran the half-marathon (2007). As far as courses go, it's a simple, downhill course (interesting feeling in the legs the next morning) with some manageable hills near the end. You're shuttled into an empty desert and huddle under heating lamps until the race begins. Only 24 hours earlier and we would've been running in the rain into a stiff wind but the race gods were kind and the race was clear, dry, calm and cool. The weirdest thing is herding the runners about: you drive to a designated area that you cannot walk to, you're shuttled to the start of the race, and you're shuttled back to the parking area from the finish line. There's an easier way buried in there somewhere. The Best Western Catalina is not a race sponsor, but it was a reasonably priced motel about five minutes from the pick-up area.
3.0

By: R. L.

Posted: December 03, 2007

Ok

This was my second time running the full marathon. I have done the half twice as well. I agree with the previous poster... the course has changed and the elevation chart is misleading. It definitely has some MAJOR declines but with that come some major rolling inclines, including the lovely little set of hills in the last few miles. There was some confusion with the host hotel transportation. My friend did the half marathon and the host hotel shuttle provided by the city or race dropped her off about 1/2 a mile away from the start. They were told to walk and had to wait in the cold even though the expo said she could stay on the bus. Also, the shuttle buses back to the hotel were confusing and only wanted to accommodate the Hilton. Other than that it was the same as every other year. It is a small-town race with no frills. The expo is very small. The course runs next to the Catalina Mountains. The post-race meal is minimal. It was as expected so I wasn't disappointed but I knew what I was getting into. The medal was nice and they gave you the option online to upgrade to a nice race shirt for $5. The parking was easier than the old finish for spectators.
3.0

By: Robert E.

Posted: December 03, 2007

beautiful scenery, some quirks

The backdrop for this marathon is beautiful - the run is point to point, through a broad valley with desert mountain vistas on all sides. It didn't hurt that the weather this year was nearly perfect - clear and cool. However, most of the time you are running along a fairly major state road with a good deal of (well controlled) traffic. If you need cheering, this isn't your race: there weren't many spectators until the very end. There are a few "gotcha" inclines between miles 10 and 14 that take their toll after the fast downhill start. There is a slight incline from about mile 21 to 23 or so, but it has a lot of declines. My quads really hurt at the end. Water stops were reasonably spaced (every 2 miles or so) and well staffed. I forgot my gels and they weren't handing them out until about mile 18 (unless I missed them). It ended at a middle school with a nice field to walk around and stretch out on. The food choices at the end were limited and disappointing. The buses were plentiful and got you where you were going. The shirts and medals are average at best. Overall, a good race and one I would do again.
4.0

By: Erin P.

Posted: December 03, 2007

Great downhill half-marathon!

I have run this race in 2006 and 2007 and really enjoy it. The course is pretty good; the only complaint is that it is along a road where they don't shut down traffic. That's generally one of the exciting parts of a race - having a road shut down for you. But other than that, it's downhill with a few minor inclines (I didn't think they were that bad at all and barely noticed them). Organization is great, and I LOVE that both years I was able to stay on a warm bus until the start. Major plus! There could be more porta-potties at the start, but as long as you get there early enough, you'll be ok. Not many spectators, but that is fine for me; I actually enjoyed knowing that I would be able to see my husband during the race - the other races he has been able to come to were huge marathons and I didn't get to see him. :( Props for the Tucson Marathon; I find it to be the perfect weather and a pretty course with desert scenery and mountains. Will definitely come back again. I have PRed both years! :) Be prepared to be sore after the race, though from the declines, if you haven't trained for them. I made it fine through the race, but the day after, I can definitely tell.
4.0

By: Julius D.

Posted: December 03, 2007

Come for a fast time, not the experience

This was an interesting experience. The course was fast, but not easy - I ran a Boston qualifying PR, but the hills, particularly the rolling hills from miles 10-14, gave my legs a pretty trashing. But it's generally downhill for long stretches and you can log some very fast miles in from 1 to 10 and 14 to 19. The course runs along scenic Mt. Lemmon, although the haze on race day took away some of the view. Unfortunately, most of the course runs along the shoulder of a highway, so there was a constant stream of steady traffic coming at us for most of the race. There was ample space for runners so it wasn't a hazard, but hardly pleasant. The volunteers were great, had ample supplies at water stations, and though they were stationed only every 2 miles (on average), that was plenty on the cool morning of the race. Other aspects of the race were perfunctory. The t-shirt was cheap. Post-race food was fruit and tortillas with a jar of peanut butter - no joke. The expo was small and unremarkable, with virtually no giveaways. Spectators were sparse in some spots, and non-existent in most others. Really, this is a good race if you want to go someplace to run fast. But if you are looking for an "experience," this is probably not the best race for it.
3.0

By: Richard Johnson

Posted: December 03, 2007

Good, but not great

I ran this race in 2000 and again in 2007. The course changed in 2007 and is a little worse (more hills). The elevation chart is a little misleading and even incorrect in places. While dropping about 2000 feet overall (a good feature), there are some very significant hills from Mile 1 to 5 and 10 to 14. Then the chart doesn't show you the long gradual uphill around 20-23. We all need race directors to be very honest and very accurate with elevation charts, but most aren't. Overall, this is a good marathon with very good organization in 2007. As usual, the locals have the greatest advantage of actually training on miles and miles of decline, conditioning their quads for the pounding, but the rest of us must suffer. It would be better if there were some reasonably-priced hotels near the finish.
3.0

By: Connie Gumulauskis

Posted: May 08, 2007

A great small marathon

I ran the mini marathon in both 2004 and 2005. Although the Expo was nothing but a fest tent with vendors, the course itself is mostly downhill. The first hour is the coldest as the sun doesn't rise until 7am and the race starts at 6am. That means runners will be chilled until their warm up. The weather that time of year in southern Arizona is unpredictable. In 2004 the skies threatened with rain, in 2005 it was chilly with a sunny finish. Runners park their vehicles behind the local hospital and are bussed to the start lines. This means people must be on time! Parking is limited, so don't panic in the end when you're driving around a crowded parking lot looking for a place to squeeze your vehicle into. Spectators are few since this course runs outside of any towns. People are not allowed to park off the Catalina State Park property. The last three miles is where runners will be cheered on by residents.
4.0

By: Lisa T.

Posted: January 02, 2007

Have respect for this course and TRAIN!

I have no negative comments about the organization of this race. Marilyn was fantastic the morning of, making sure everyone got on their "coaches" and made it to the start of the race on time. Being able to stay on a nice warm bus with a bathroom was a huge bonus, especially when I saw how few porta-potties there were at the starting line. A word of caution to beginners: I did hills in my training, but none of them were long runs. I was in great shape for a marathon, and had it been flat, I am sure I would have BQ'd, but this course was NOT fast for me, and though others keep talking of an all-downhill course, there were plenty of inclines. I have never, ever been so sore after a race in my life!! I take full responsibility, but I feel incredibly lucky that I did not get injured. I guess I can say the one downside (aside from not having yummy food after, but I prefer to eat my own stuff anyway) was the line of cars during some points of the course, all idling at red lights. Ugh. Breathing in exhaust is not exactly what you want at the 18th + mile. I really wish this were a closed course, or at least only one lane of traffic. The people were really nice though, so thank you to all of the volunteers!
4.0

By: Russ J.

Posted: December 30, 2006

Fast, beautiful run with a few glitches

Despite some of the previous comments I've read, I thought the race was well-organized, with a couple of exceptions. Small but efficient expo, with knowledgeable volunteers. Transportation to the start of the full marathon was efficient and we could stay in the buses to keep warm (the half marathon runners did not have that option). There was a short wait for the porta-johns, but less wait than usual for a big race. It was a scenic course through the beautiful Sonoran desert, and we could see mountain ranges over a hundred miles away, plus the western end of the Catalina Mountains (which was the finish line) for most of the route. That might be a bad thing or a good thing, because it looked like a very long way away. The course is a very gradual decline but not steep enough to really notice, although my quads did! The stiff headwind cancelled out the downhill and was a real factor especially in the second half. Spectators were told not to park along the highway, but that was ordered by the highway patrol, not the race organizers, which S.F. would have known if he/she had read the race instructions. Anyway if you need a cheering section, then run NYC. Water stops were plentiful and the Red Bull at mile 21 was just in time. Now the negatives: the T-shirt is just junk, white with dozens of sponsor logos on the back (although the finisher's medal was nice). I've gotten better at local charity 5K runs. Finish line food was really inadequate. Desk clerks at the host hotel (Westward Look) had no clue about race transportation and couldn't be bothered to find out, so they just passed out bad information. Lastly, it was next to impossible to find the ride back to the hotel afterward and it turned out they were using open Jeeps, which are a very uncomfortable ride if you've just run a marathon. If these easily-fixed problems were eliminated, Tucson would be a premier race.
4.0

By: Rc J.

Posted: December 29, 2006

Beautiful, fast course; organization could improve

Despite some of the previous comments I've read, I thought that overall it was a very well-organized race. It was a small but efficient expo, with knowledgeable volunteers. Transportation to the start of the full marathon was efficient and we were able to stay in the buses to keep warm. There was a short wait for the porta-johns, but less wait than usual for a marathon. It was a beautiful course through the Sonoran desert, and the air was so clear that we could see mountain ranges over a hundred miles away, as well as the western end of the Catalina Mountains (which was by the finish line) for most of the route. You might like that, or you might not, because it looked like a very long way away. It is downhill, but so gradual that it wasn't all that noticeable while running (although my quads certainly noticed afterward). The stiff headwind cancelled out the decline, so times were not as fast as might be expected, especially after the turn south at the halfway point. Miles were well-marked and aid stations were quite adequate. Spectators were not allowed to park along the highway, but this was a restriction enforced by the Arizona Highway Patrol and not by the race organizers, which "S. F. from Washington, DC" should have known if he/she had read the race info packet. Pluses: Well-organized, well-marked, good aid stations, good expo, great medal (copper, with saguaro cactus logo), great weather, beautiful, scenic course. Minuses: Cheapo T-shirt, plain white with dozens of sponsor logos on the back, more like a local 5K charity race T-shirt. What a piece of junk! Sponsor hotel desk clerks had no clue about the race bus schedule and didn't give a damn; they were passing out bad info rather than checking into it. After-race transport back to the sponsor hotel was almost impossible to find; it ended up being an open Jeep which you only could catch if you were lucky enough to find the pickup point, which was not easy. Finish-line food was crappy, again worthy of a local 5K but not a marathon. C'mon, Pam, I realize that you had to provide your own support for Badwater but that doesn't mean that we should be expected to do the same for your marathon. Pony up for some pizza, at least!
4.0

By: John S.

Posted: December 24, 2006

Downhill course makes for fast times

I would recommend this marathon for anyone trying to qualify for Boston, because it is a fast course, which is mostly downhill with very few turns. I stayed at the Holiday Inn Express right next to the race headquarters hotel, where the finish line was located. A very nice amenity provided by the marathon were the chartered buses (with a bathroom) that picked up the hotel guests and drove them to the start. The runners could wait on the bus until the start, so they didn't have to wait outside if the weather was cool. There were plenty of energy drink/water/energy gel stops on the course. On the minus side, there wasn't much to eat following the race, and the Holiday Inn Express wanted an extra $25 to extend the checkout until 2 p.m. (from the standard noon checkout). I will definitely run this race again next year.
4.0

By: Bogdan K.

Posted: December 19, 2006

Run against the wind

Thank you, Tucson, for beautiful running scenery, sunshine and many dedicated, excellent volunteers. Generally speaking, the event was organized very well and that was the beginning of my one-week vacation in the Tucson mountains. However, in this marathon I failed to achieve what I wanted to do: my better-than-average finish time. I expected a fast course and I was faced with a non-stop headwind that cancelled the advantages of running downhill. Unfortunately, the final two miles were just like a marathoner's nightmare - running steadily uphill towards the finish line. Never again! The course profile that was published at the website did not show this detail very clearly. Contrary to your warnings, there was a lot of space for motorized spectators along Highway 77. A message to runner 513: you lost your timing chip and I found it. I gave it to a race official just before the halfway point and asked him to do everything to find you and give it back to you before the finish line. The official results show that he did it.
4.0

By: D.R. H.

Posted: December 18, 2006

Not sure who this marathon targets...

The Good: Motor coaches to the start and you get sit in them to race start - nice perk. Beautiful scenery. The Bad (yep that was it for the good): The first 13 or so downhill miles are sure downhill enough - but from mile 14 to about 21 is a gradual incline with a few rolling hills thrown in... all in all not bad if you train for it, but if you're not trained? You will be sorry, sooner or later, i.e. the next few days (even for the winner it was sooner - he slowed 2 minutes per mile over the last 8). Also, decent water stops, and no crowds (that's okay). The Ugly: For this kind of money, we got a white short-sleeve t-shirt??? Finish-line food amounted to quartered bagels and oranges... seriously! Awful - no excuse. We have 10K's wtih better post-race "amenities." Can't think of a reason why I'd come back (too many others I'd rather "repeat").
2.0

By: Linka S.

Posted: December 14, 2006

Poorly organized

This is the second time I have run this race &#40;1/2 marathon, both times&#41;. In 2006, the organization was horrible! From the unorganized expo, to not enough bathrooms at the start, no water &#40;but there was coffee&#41; -- and what is with the walkers lining up where ever they please? This was worse than when I ran it in 2003, but after so many years of practice, this is inexcusable. I will not run it again. Sorry Tucson, you will lose my December tourism dollars.
3.0

By: abby l.

Posted: December 12, 2006

most beautiful course, great race!

This was my second year running this race and it exceeded my expectations again. The course is beautiful and eliminating the turn around near mile 22 was a huge plus! I can't say enough good things about the organization of this race and the course. The bus ride was comfortable and being able to stay inside until the start was great. The spectators were not numerous - they can't be, they are prohibited from being on parts of the road - but they were very encouraging. On top of that, it's nice to focus on enjoying the amazing views that you encounter throughout the entire course. I prefer it to a wall of screaming people... I either missed the Clif Shot at mile 18 or it wasn't there. I came through early enough as a marathoner that there should have been plenty left, but I could have just missed it. As another person commented last year, it would be nice of those walkers at least stuck to one side of the road and choose not to walk together if it meant blocking the path of the runners. I know I find it hard to see people walking in the last miles of a race, especially when I have to dodge them. I also thought the wind was a little tough this year; it wasn't too cold, but it was pretty strong. As you can see, tiny complaints. I did really appreciate the distance we had from the half marathoners. I find it frustrating to catch up with the slower runners as I'm trying to finish a marathon in other races. It was nice that we shared the same finish but really had separate races. I plan on returning again next year and will look forward to it until then!
5.0

By: Cindy L.

Posted: December 12, 2006

Beautiful, downhill course

This was my third marathon and I qualified for Boston. The course was beautiful and almost all downhill - just as advertised. The first 2 miles are rolling, but then it is all downhill until the last 1/2 mile, which is a tough incline. But the decline more than made up for that. As long as you train properly, you should have no problem and have a great run - I suspect the people who complained in earlier posts did not train as well as they should have. The volunteers were great and being able to stay on the shuttle busses (which had bathrooms) until the start was a nice bonus because it was cold at the start! I will be back.
4.0

By: Steve F.

Posted: December 12, 2006

Beautiful course, below average organization

Absolutely beautiful scenery of the mountains on this mostly downhill course. Unnecessarily long wait at the top of the mountain before the course. Spectators were discouraged for the first 2/3rds of the race for no particular reason. Water stops were ok, but there were way too few porta-johns along the way. Finish line food was almost non-existent.
3.0

By: Jonathan Stewart

Posted: December 12, 2006

Love it

One of the joys of this race is the simplicity of the course. There are only 4-5 turns, with none between mile 5 and mile 26 &#40;yes, the dreaded out-and-back was eliminated this year!&#41;. Yet, in the case of this year's event, that can also be a curse as there were no turns to offer refuge from a brutal headwind. The downhill course, wonderful for setting a p.r. on a normal year, was completely counteracted by a wind so strong it made the race feel like Pike's Peak Marathon. Everybody in my running group ran 7-12 minutes slower this year than last. Notwithstanding the elements, the race is a runner's delight. Marilyn and Pam know what they are doing and really take care of the runners. Some better post-race food would be appreciated though, as would separate massage lines for 1/2 and full marathoners since the fast full runners had to wait over an hour for their post-race rubdown.
4.0

By: Laurie K.

Posted: December 11, 2006

Fast!!!!

You can tell that this race is put on by a real runner (thanks, Pam Reed). The course is straight downhill, with no traffic issues, excellent aid stations, a well organized staging area, parking, etc. I've run 128 marathons, and I come back every year. This is THE best race for a PR in the US. Don't expect bands, cheerleaders, or lots of spectators. Just look straight ahead and run like the posse is chasing you. And book a massage for next week, because your quads will need it!
4.0

By: Penelope B.

Posted: November 02, 2006

I loved this race

This was my first marathon, and I loved it. It was cold at the start, but I'd heard to wear a garbage bag to keep warm till we started, and that worked well. Most of the time leading up to the race I was in a warm bus anyway. The first mile or two are on a dirt road, and local people were out early, clanging cowbells. I loved this! On to the road and the downhill.... I ignored everyone's comments that I should really train my quads for this race and pretty much didn't train at all for this race (how hard could it be? It's all downhill!), so... I paid for it. I was cruising really well (for me) until about mile 18 and then my quads just gave out. I'm not quite sure how I made it to the finish (I was surely one of the walkers toward the finish that people have complained about in their reviews...), but I did. Having the balloons over the road was MEAN. I was counting on that being the finish, and although the finish wasn't far from there, I practically started to cry when I realized I had to keep going. From what I've heard, this marathon is popular with well-trained athletes who are looking to PR and/or qualify for Boston. Those of us finishing more slowly (I finished in 4:52) brought in the end of the pack. I had expected to be in the middle of the pack, based on stats of other marathons I'd read about, but my time definitely was in the group bringing up the rear in this race. I lived in Oro Valley (where it finishes) at the time. I love the area, and loved the race. I'd definitely do it again, although next time I'd train.... Oh, and I think something was wrong with the splits. My first half and second half splits were almost perfectly matched. There is no way my second half was as fast.... I was walking for quite a bit of it and had jelly legs for the rest....
4.0

By: Bill R.

Posted: June 24, 2006

Great place to PR!

This is a great course for hardcore runners. I PR'd by 10 minutes. Many participants were trying to qualify for Boston. There is very low spectator involvement for the 1st 13 miles - you're pretty much on your own. The expo is small, but ok. You're bussed out to the start... and our bus driver got lost... more than once. The on-course support is weak - few clocks, not many toilets, terrible drinks. But the scenery, mostly downhill course and cool temperatures make for a very good marathon for the serious runner.
3.0

By: Lance H.

Posted: December 31, 2005

Get the walkers off the marathon route!

Nice marathon but the walkers need to walk elsewhere. They were a big pain in the butt! This may prevent me from going there again.
4.0

By: Te J.

Posted: December 26, 2005

Deffinite PR course I would do again

The bus ride to the start wasn't bad and it was cold when we arrived. However, before the start the sun began to come up and I was able to shed a layer to shorts, a t-shirt and a shell. The shirt and shell were gone by 6 miles. There weren't many porta-potties at the start but many of the buses had toilets and we stayed on them until it got near start time. The first mile rolls but it's pretty much downhill from there. I was woefully undertrained for this race as I hadn't recovered well from Columbus 7 weeks prior. Hoping for the best I surprised myself by covering the first 10 miles at BQ pace and going 14 miles before walking. I ran/walked the rest. Downhills don't bother me so I was in no more quad pain than normal after a 'thon but with the walking, take that as you will. The scenery was awesome and I never saw any traffic problems. My suggestions would be for a street sweeper to hit the course the night before to clear some of the rocks. Bananas are supposed to be yellow. And it would be nice if the split time location were accurately measured. They're listed in the results as 8 miles, half, and 20 miles but the I think the 2nd was closer to 14 miles and the 3rd nearly 21 miles. A nice race though and I think I'd have easily BQed (3:20) if I hadn't run Columbus (3:36) 7 weeks before.
4.0

By: Kim Robinson

Posted: December 17, 2005

Organized, Mid-Size Marathon - Hill Prep. Required

Marathon experience started with a well-represented big-tent expo the day before. The buses for the race left promptly and got us to the starting line 45 minutes before the race. Several of the buses became the well-organized bag drop epicenters and otherwise, you could stay on the heated buses until 2 minutes before the start. The course was up and down for the first 2 miles and then a gradual downhill for the remainder. Most of the comments for the '05 marathon swirled around people who did the required hill preparation or not. I didn't and suffered (my fault, not theirs) but liked the marathon for scenery and organization (water stops). While the course did parallel a highway for many miles, you could run where the road had little slope (cant) and the traffic was thin enough to not be an issue. Good traffic control as the route approached north Tucson and a nice half mile of encouraging support for the final leg into the finish. Temperatures cooperated as we started at high 30's and ended in mid 50's. Lots of runners shed clothes for the first 6 miles. Would recommend this a mid-size marathon for the 50 State group and as a good warm-up for the P.F. Chang run in January. Well organized by a race organizer and area running club who enjoy running! Couldn't ask for more than that. Thank you Tucson!
4.0

By: Jason T.

Posted: December 13, 2005

Enjoy and appreciate the experience

I agree with most of the earlier comments, so I will only add the following: 1) I too found the splits were off and the results posted did not agree with my GPS. I suspect that the timing mat at the half was well beyond 13.1 miles. 2) This is a small, low-key event with few spectators and two big attractions: the 25 miles of downhill running and the captivating desert scenery along the Catalina mountain range. Take the marathon for what it is and has to offer. It is a fast course, if one had trained properly and started out conservatively. But if you're not going for a PR, this course also allows you to relax and enjoy the beautiful surroundings - being at peace with yourself and appreciating the opportunity you have to be able to run in such a place. 3) The organizers, volunteers and people I met at the expo were very friendly and helpful. The volunteers at the water stations and at the finish were experienced and did a wonderful job (some of them even had the cup already squeezed before handing it to me - we runners do notice and appreciate these little fine gestures). I especially want to congratulate and say thanks to all the children and teens who were helping out (water stations, bag checks, garbage, etc.). They were polite, courteous and helpful, and it was nice to see them actively involved in such an event. Tucson and the surrounding communities should be very proud of this event and all the people who help to provide runners with this unique experience each year.
4.0

By: Barbara B.

Posted: December 12, 2005

I will never run this race again.

I have run 3 half marathons and one full here in Tucson, and while I would love to support Pam Reed's efforts, I cannot. The course is harmful to runners; if the downhill pounding of the course does not get you, the traffic, which is not stopped, will. Long waits at the start - the heaters never were delivered, and we could not stay in the buses. Few places for spectators to watch, so there were not many. Announcer at the finish was really rude in his comments. There has yet to be a ripe banana available at the finish. Not enough porta-potties. Focus is on fast runners only. I will go to Vegas next year.
1.0

By: Alan G.

Posted: December 08, 2005

A most enjoyable and scenic run.

This was my 43rd marathon. Not knowing which will be my last, I have been varying my courses, and being from the Big City, I appreciate smaller, country marathons. Tucson was scenic and fast. I am not criticizing the marathon, but one should be prepared for a few things. First, it is cold at the start when you're waiting around before sunrise. Be prepared to dress warm and peel as the sun comes up and the temperatures rise. Although there is a 2,200 foot drop, the first mile contains some uphills. This is at an elevation of 4,700 feet so if you did your training at sea level like I did you will huff and puff. The roads are a bit rough surfaced in places. Be careful. Also, much of the road is sloped sharply so you are running on an uneven surface. After all is said and done, this was an excellent, well-organized run. I would recommend it. Spend some time in the area and enjoy the scenery.
3.0

By: ERIC H.

Posted: December 08, 2005

super fast!

If you train for a downhill course you should shatter your PR. I did by 4 1/2 minutes and qualified by over 10 minutes. The half split isn't marked but other than that it's a well run race. GREAT WEATHER! Except for the shuttle to the start the host hotel is a huge rip off. The Holiday Inn Express is cheaper and much closer to the finish.
3.0

By: Jared Railing

Posted: December 07, 2005

PR for my 20th birthday

To start off, I loved my time in Tucson. Everything about it made me feel at home. And on race day the conditions were perfect for a great race. The only complaint I would really say I could have was that my bus missed the turn to the marathon start so we had to drive around for an extra 15 minutes or so until the driver got back on track. Oh and maybe that I missed my Boston qualifying time by about 3 minutes. But thats what I get for not wearing a watch. Oh well. Other than that, on race day it was a little cool though just about right for me being from ND. (Someone asked me while I was standing in line if I was from Alaska or something while I was standing there in a shirt and shorts not shivering.) Once the race started, I fell into place and felt a little rough through the 1st 11 miles or so. But after that, it felt as if everything fell into place and I cruised in with a 2nd half split almost faster than my 1st half. I had trained for about a 3:30 finish and thought that I could do a 3:20 if I felt good. I actually finished in just under 3:14, which I am very happy with. Thank you, Tucson.
4.0

By: Ronald J.

Posted: December 07, 2005

Awesome destination!

I have run 50+ marathons and ultra-marathons with a 2:36 open division and a 2:59 senior division p.r. This is a perfectly organized marathon with great scenery, weather, and a downhill course. Having said this, it will not be a p.r. course unless you do downhill training for many weeks (I ran a 3:14, age 53). Most of the elevation loss comes in the first half when your muscles are fresh. However, by mile 15, the slight downhill grades begin to look and feel like uphills. The feet and quads begin to ache, and the hamstrings tighten. My pace dropped from sub-7:00 at mile 15 to 8:30's shortly thereafter. The struggle begins in earnest at mile 15. I do feel that with appropriate training for declines, this could be an awesome p.r. course. The Holiday Inn Express on Wetmore Ave., Tucson, was well worth the money. Perfect location for driving to all destinations. Beautiful parks to enjoy after. Great finisher's medal, nice T-shirt and post-race, and a scenic course (although it follows the highway and the desert tends to look the same from mile 1 to 26). I recommend that everyone run the Tucson Marathon at least once in their lifetime.
3.0

By: David A.

Posted: December 06, 2005

Fun, Fast Course

I ran two days ago and had a really great time. Beautiful scenery, great weather, good organization and a fast downhill course. This is definitely your Boston qualifier! I PR'd by 5 minutes after struggling to make my Boston qualifiying time two months ago in Portland. Only 3 negatives for me: Horrible T-shirt, green bananas at the finish, and NO BEER!!!
3.0

By: Jean S.

Posted: December 06, 2005

Thankful: water volunteers & the few spectators

Waiting at the airport to leave to go home, after for the most part a positive marathon experience, a woman stated that according to 3 people that she knew, including her, their GPS watches calculated the course as too long... over 26.2 miles. Around the 13.1-mile mark something didn't seem right to me. I was shooting for 2 hours or under. According to my watch at 13 I was 1:55, and where our chips were recorded at 13.1 I was 2 hours and 3 minutes. There was no sign to indicate that was 13.1 and a spectator yelled at me, "Good work, you have less than half to go." Not to blame this on me not qualifying for Boston but... psychologically it had a negative effect on me. The spectators that were out were great, just fewer than I'm used to. I am somewhat shocked that the community wasn't more informed. A hotel we stayed at only 5 miles from the host hotel didn't even know a marathon was going on! Having the balloon arch on the corner BEFORE the finish was also hard/deceiving.... Made us think that the race was ending at the balloons. Mile signs could have been higher in the air... but it was good that there were actually mile markers, if they were accurate. If I would have qualified my comments would be the same! Propane warmers at the start would be nice as we were unable to stay on the bus up until close to the race start as drop bags had to be placed on them. Temperature was cold for those not used to it. DJ was a good idea. Porta-potties unstable. Food at end not really inviting since before the marathon I eat bagels and bananas. Not to appear ungrateful... but the only other marathon I have run is Portland, OR and it has water, carb drinks, ice cream, cookies, yogurt, candy, cheese, oranges, yogurt smoothies, grapes, Tao Tea and bananas and bagels waiting for you at the end. Thanks to all those that worked so hard to put this on. Thanks for the ability to comment.
4.0

By: Lisa Campbell

Posted: December 06, 2005

One time was enough.

I enjoyed the marathon, but would not do it again. The shirt is not a finisher's shirt (it was handed out with race packets) and it is cotton; but the medal is great! Not enough toilets on the course - too far between is the main issue. It was nice to be able to stay on the bus before the start, but I didn't understand the reason for shipping us there early, so we could sit around for more than an hour. The front desk personnel were clueless and rude. Their motto of 'I want to be a 10' was a joke.
3.0

By: siah b.

Posted: December 06, 2005

Exhilarating! Can't wait to run it again!

It was my first marathon and I found everything exceptionally well organized. Fans were very supportive and the course was great!
5.0

By: David M.

Posted: December 06, 2005

Well organized, scenic - beware the downhill

I was sure I was ready for this race, and had a PR for the first half of the race. I stumbled in on devastated quads, however. This is a very nice race. Well organized, scenic, great host hotel, a better-than-average expo, but one must be ready to be patient at the beginning of the race. It is too easy to get caught up in a faster pace than will allow one to finish.
4.0

By: lisa s.

Posted: December 05, 2005

great weather

Need to do away with the 2-mile stretch at Wilds Road. It breaks up a good flow pattern. I have run this race many times, and my friends and I agree that Wilds Road has to go!
3.0

By: Keith K.

Posted: December 05, 2005

Needs clocks and spectators

The course is definitely all downhill for the first half, but the 2nd have has some long steady inclines that can be grueling. There are no clocks on the course so unless you have a watch there is no way for you to know how you are doing. They need a better system than busing everyone out to the start 1 1/2 hours before the start and having them sit on buses waiting for sunrise.
3.0

By: abby l.

Posted: December 05, 2005

Great race and course!

The reviewers' comments are a good guide to the downhill course. People at the race and expo were very friendly and helpful - they gave great advice about the course too. The desert surroundings are beautiful. I also really liked the half-marathoners being so far away (they start earlier and at the half...). The walkers (who I only ran into at the end) were often taking up a lot of room and it would have been nice if they were steered to one side and limited in the space they took up. But it's hard to find a complaint about this race; it was really outstanding. Well organized course, expo, finish and the perfect size!
5.0

By: Daniel M.

Posted: December 05, 2005

Great Fast Course

What a course. I ran it 14 seconds faster than when I ran my first marathon (the old Tucson Marathon) almost 24 years ago at the age of 25. Need I say more? Can you say 'Boston'?
4.0

By: Mark Givens

Posted: December 04, 2005

Needed Belly-Dancers

1. The bus schedule should have stated 'the last bus leaves at.' This would have avoided a 2-hour wait on the buses at the start line. 2. The spectators needed to be freaked out like Big Sur or Bay-to-Breakers. The marathon needs belly dancers and cheerleaders. 3. Misjudged the descent and it kicked my butt!
3.0

By: Jessica G.

Posted: November 17, 2005

Bad for beginners. Downhill course is dangerous.

I ran the half marathon. I had trained well, but was not warned about the dangers of a downhill course. I knew it was downhill, but I did not realize the running area on the side of the road would be slanted as well. Long story short, I was diagnosed with both ITB Syndrome and bursitis in my left knee. I have not been able to run the same since that race. I would recommend beginners to run a flat and friendly course. Not this one.
1.0

By: Steve A.

Posted: February 26, 2005

Fast & organized

Like everyone else comments, it's FAST, but if you run the first half too hard, you may find yourself walking in! This race continues to improve in organization and traffic control. I really saw a improvement from prior years. It's one of my favorites marathons.
4.0

By: Cyd F.

Posted: January 11, 2005

Fast, Downhill, Beautiful Course

This was my third marathon and best experience so far. The course was fast and downhill almost the entire time. I shaved almost 15 minutes off my previous time for a PR. I will say that my quads were in a lot of pain after the race, so you would be wise to train for some descents! The scenery is nice, mountains and desert and very peaceful. There are no spectators until the end, but very typical for a small race. Weather was nice too--about 30-40 degrees at the start, but you can stay on the buses to keep warm right up until before the gun goes off. This was really nice b/c the buses have porto-potties right on them so waiting time was minimal. There aren't water stops every mile, but every other mile, which was more than sufficient. The only negative thing I could say about the race was the organization. The host hotel was a really nice resort, but the people at the front desk had no idea when buses were leaving in the morning, etc. because they weren't informed by the race directors. But overall a great race. I would definitely run it again!
3.0

By: Warren MacPhail

Posted: December 21, 2004

Boston to Tuscon

My whole Tuscon Marathon experience was terrific. I loved the course although it really got the best of me. My quads gave out around the 17th mile and pretty much struggled in but was still able to quaify for Boston. My toes are all bruised up and are finally improving after two weeks. If you can handle a downhill course, this one is for you. It's never too overwhelming but just gently declines from start to finish. The organization and support were both fantastic. Mile markers were small but consistently located on the side of the road. I never had a problem with water or sport drinks. If you're able to stay at the host hotel, please do. It was perfectly located and the workers were extremely helpful. I plan on someday coming back to conquer the course (I need to improve on my downhill running), but until then, thanks again Pam R. for putting on such a great event and Tuscon for being such a great place to visit.
5.0

By: Joe E.

Posted: December 17, 2004

Fast course, but this one can be tough

Tucson is a very beautiful course to run and the weather can be great. In 2004, the temperatures were perfect with temperatures in the high 30s at the start rising to the mid-50s at the finish. But, heed the warning about the hills. Downhill running is hardest on people with larger quads and heavier bodies. Myself and another Ironman triathlete, both with quads the size of cannons, felt great through 18 miles and then found ourselves in real distress. Other runners talk about a 'quick course' and 'not minding' the hills, but keep in mind that the bigger your quads the more difficult it will be to brake yourself coming downhill. This is especially true on the two big downhills in miles 1 and 3. As a fast runner (sub-3) I would say that this course does have the potential to be very fast. However, I think it really depends on your build and your running style. Even with plenty of downhill running training prior to this race, I found myself walking in the last miles of the race. We took it very easy in the first few miles, but I bet if we had jogged slowly down the first two big hills, it would have completely changed our race later. It's a gorgeous course, but it may not be for everyone. If you're light and slightly built, you could probably fly on this course.
4.0

By: Jane Garbish

Posted: December 13, 2004

Loved it! Great chance for a PR!

My husband and I ran this race together as we were both trying to qualify for Boston. We both took over 26 minutes off our last marathon time and are both going to Boston! The race was as advertised - fast and friendly. The downhills were easily run - not too steep, and the few uphills were gradual. Our quads were extremely sore for 3 days, but it was worth it! There were plenty of fluid stations and the sports drink was good. Spectators were limited, but enthusiastic. The race was fairly small but well organized. We'd recommend it to anyone trying for a fast race!
4.0

By: ME M.

Posted: December 09, 2004

awesome little race

Great little race - not too crowded and weather was perfect; don't know if it will be that perfect again: low thirties at start, overcast all day and cool finish (could see my breath most of the day). But perfect; the sun never came out. The hills ruin your legs, but you do post some lightening fast splits, especially the first half which is scary fast. The second half evens out with even a few short, gradual ups - not really hills though. Not many spectators, but that's fine with me - make sure and look to your left and check out the snowcapped mountains. Best part about this race is that you could hang out on the bus, which was nice and warm for as long as you wanted before the race. I've had too many experiences of freezing my arse off after being dropped off. Run this one for a PR--run PHX Rock N Roll to hang out and listen to some tunes among a mass of runners. Only critical feedback might be to put more clocks out on the course and have some cookies at some of the aid stations - you may want to wear a fanny pack and pack some Gus. Host hotel was awesome!!
5.0

By: Jonathan Hanbury

Posted: December 08, 2004

This is an incredibly fast course.

Tuscon was my 7th marathon. My time was 3:24. It is an increadibly fast course. It is downhill almost from start to finish. If you have trained well you can run at your race pace and still have something left at the end. I took 14 minutes off of my PR and easily qualified for Boston. I would suggest staying at the Holiday Inn Express or Hilton and take the bus at 5:00AM and sit on the bus until the start. I would also suggest going to the pasta feed before the race; they give some good suggestions for the race. My legs hurt but it is a good hurt.
4.0

By: Scott R.

Posted: December 07, 2004

A Fast Course!

I've done nine marathons which includes doing this marathon twice. This is by far the fastest course I've seen. Most of the entire first half has a slight downgrade and the only ascent to speak of was removed when they modified the finish this year. Both Saturday before the race and Monday after the race were miserable rainy days. However, fortune smiled upon us on race day. It was cool, dry and that much faster! For those runners that induce significant others to accompany them to distance races, I might suggest other 'destination' marathons. Truth is that Tucson has very little to offer if the sun isn't shining. On the other hand, Tucson is a destination marathon for hardcore runners looking for a late season chance to qualify for Boston or improve upon a PR.
4.0

By: David V.

Posted: December 06, 2004

Great course in 2004, with solid organization.

Only suggested improvements might be: >Some electronic clocks on the course. >Significantly improve the mile-markers (too small/too low/not easily seen). >'Walkers' a hazard in narrowed confines of the last 300 yards.
4.0

By: Lisa R.

Posted: December 06, 2004

Great Race!

This is a quaint race and very easy to PR. It WILL shred your quads though... It might be for the more experienced just because it is not saturated with aid stations. They had volunteers on bikes monitoring everyone though. It is a very quiet marathon but I thought it was beautiful and well organized. There aren't many spectators at all but there are just enough when you need some. I brought my walkman and had some tunes to keep my mind busy. This race is not chaotic like the bigger races but it is charming. It was overcast and so the sun was not a factor. I think if you are dressed right and prepared, you'll be successful in this race. THE HILLS ARE A KILLER! The medal was a cool cactus in place of the regular circles. Loved it!
4.0

By: D. Johnson

Posted: December 06, 2004

Outstanding race, one of the best!

I've run 9 marathons, including Boston, the last two were in Tucson. Tucson is my favorite. There are no surprises, it's just as advertised. It's a desert run, so don't come here expecting northern US weather. Historically, record temps have been recorded in the low 80's - not 90 and not on any race day. If you like cold weather, don't come. Although, this year it was 35F at the start. Glad they didn't start any earlier. The race is mostly downhill, just as advertised. If you don't like a gentle downhill (never steep), don't run it. It's a point-to-point race, like Boston, so you have to take a bus. Last buses leave at 6 am. It's a 40-minute ride, which leaves only 50 minutes to use the potties and get warmed up for a 7:30 sharp start (not that much time). But if you love the desert and cacti, with breathtaking views of mountains capped with snow, and the beautiful sunrise above the mountain tops just after the race starts, you will get hooked on this race. The support along the way is excellent. It's a small enough race where you can start near the front and not have to wait 10 minutes to reach the starting line. But it's big enough to always run with others, front back, and side by side if you like to talk. The race passes by and finishes within 5 minutes of a huge medical hospital for those who are not prepared to run a marathon. (Definitely not wilderness!) As for myself and for those I talked with at the race finish, it's a great race, well organized and just as advertised, no surprises! And I'll probably run it every year that my legs can carry me.
5.0

By: Martha G.

Posted: June 22, 2004

Where was the medical personnel???

I loved this course and I did qualify for Boston but it did get very warm towards the end causing me to get dehydrated and NO ONE seemed to be able to monitor or check finishers to see if they needed medical attention. The 'medical help' in the tent was non-existent. NO IV FLUIDS available, therefore I had to take a very expensive trip to the hospital just to get IV fluids which I should have been able to get right in the medical tent!! Bad, bad, bad. I heard one of the medical tent doctors tell another participant, 'we are just a couple of doctors in the wilderness - we're not equipped to help with serious problems'!! He really said that!! Are we concerned about malpractice or what???? I have NEVER heard of a medical tent with no IV fluids available with trained people to administer them. Many many people took unnecessary trips to the hospital. There is absolutely no excuse for this. Also lack of spectators was tough, but for me the qualifying time was the most important thing. I did do that! Thank goodness! Otherwise I would be saying a lot more bad things about this race.
2.0

By: Mike H.

Posted: April 17, 2004

Larger-framed runners, prep your quads!

My 7th marathon, 1st Tucson, finished 3:27, 2nd fastest ever. I'm male 34, 195, 5-10. (Commentors: why don't you give your time/age/weight so that others can tell if you're elite or a five hour marathoner?) Well, I've had a long time to reflect on this race. 0)Missed expo - delayed flight. 1)Pre-race AM: Mandatory bus ride was way too early. Thankfully, runners were allowed to stay on buses to keep from freezing. Suggestion: Have buses leave 1/2 hour later ('Hurry up and wait' is OK but can the wait be reduced a little?) OR just start the race a 1/2 hour earlier to compensate for high temps at finish. 2) Course: (Better described by other postings). Had quad cramping due to downhills and heat. I specifically trained for downhills approx 2 months. There may be only so much a Clydesdale can do. 3) Support: How can anyone be other than grateful for volunteers?!? THANK YOU VOLUNTEERS! Curious about the responses that are less than positive about the first half lack of fans... I'll take no fans the whole way as long as there are some people lined up along the last mile cheering the way they did! There was a lack of quantity of water stations the last 6 miles when it's needed most (even if only for dumping over your head). Every mile 'on the mile' or half mile is easiest psychologically. My father (as my support crew) supplied me with 2 Gatorade jugs at around mile 19 and 22 that made all the difference. 4) Finish: Adrenaline compensates for the steep (in marathon terms) uphill finish. No one appeared to be checking the condition of finishers up-close. It may have happened but I don't recall. No good places to stretch (but lots of dirt area), nor many shaded areas (definitely needed). Nothing compelling at finish for which to stick around. How about some music a bit away from the finish line? 5) Overall: Marathons are always special. Tucson was no exception. GREAT RACE! Complaints usually accompany bad performances. (And praise from good ones?) From reading prior postings, Tucson looks like it's improving every year. Weather, as in ALL races, is the biggest factor. Strongest endorsement is repeat business - I hope I can run Tucson 2004 for a PR.
4.0

By: Rick Ganzi

Posted: February 10, 2004

Here's the deal with the course:

I ran a 3:11 in the 2003 race (tied my PR). Before the race, I drove and studied the whole course with an altimeter (no, I'm actually not an engineer). :-) Here are my impressions: The Good News: The course is net 2,000 feet downhill. By my best estimates, this will speed up the average person by about 5% (takes about 10 to 15 minutes off your time). Miles 1 and 3 are full of rolling hills and are net flat, mile 26 is actually uphill, but the other 23 miles are all downhill, anywhere from 50 to 200 feet each, and most of it is a gentle downhill grade, which is perfect for running fast. Except for miles 1, 3, and 26, there is essentially no uphill. The official race elevation graph is not misleading (the way those graphs often are for hilly races that want to appear flat), but it is off for the first three miles, where it shows mile 1 to be very downhill & mile 2 to be flat (the opposite is true). The Bad News: The race is run at altitude (starts at 4,700 feet and ends at 2,700 feet). Altitude has been scientifically demonstrated to impair marathon performance in a predictable manner. At 4,700, feet the damage is 5%, and at 2,700 feet it's between 2 & 3%. So on average, the altitude effects will slow you down by about 4%, offsetting most of the benefits of the downhill. In addition, the course leaves you very exposed to sun and wind. The sun is over head an hour into the race, and it gets hot (and there are not enough water and aid stations to keep up). Also, the race is a point-to-point course (the first half runs east & the second half heads south), so you are at the mercy of the wind direction. Usually, the wind is out of the east, so you have a tailwind the first half and then a cross-wind the second half, but the day I ran, the wind came from the southwest at 12 miles per hour, which made for an oblique headwind the whole way. This had a pleasant cooling effect, but at great energy cost, which made for a slow day for most runners. So in summary, the downhill speeds you up, but it is offset by other factors. For me, I'm going to stick to flat races at sea level in cool conditions.
3.0

By: Marathon Man

Posted: December 16, 2003

PR at a price

I was trying to qualify for Boston at this event. I ran a 15-minute PR, but the event is not what you might think. My watch recorded temperatures during the event. The temperature at the start was 45, at the half was 70, and at the finish was close to 90. As soon as the sun comes out the road heats up and you are toasted, literally. There is no protection from the sun anywhere on the course. The website says 50-60's, very misleading. I was running at the front of the pack, so I had aid. But for the slower runners - they ran out of water at the first aid station, I was running with a bottle, and I had to fill it up myself, aid station volunteers did not seem to know what they were doing. They need to switch to Gatorade. Sponges would be nice after the half to get the dry sweat off of your face. You have to be prepared for dehydration during the second half of the marathon. This is the first marathon where I was not congratulated at the finsh. I was just handed a medal and told to exit the area. The medal is very plain compared to most events. There were lots of people suffering from heat exhaustion, but no one seemed to be monitoring the finishers to escort them to the medical tent. We were taken to the start 2 hours before the 7:30am start time. There were limited bathrooms at the start and on the course. The finisher shirts were not very atractive and were just plain T's. I usually get a wicking shirt at marathons. I stayed at the Holiday Inn next to the start and it was quiet, cheaper, and easy access. Overall - the course is a PR course, the race director has cut his costs and the event is no thrills - so leave your event expecations at home. I only saw very limited spectators on the course. So if you are looking for a boost of energy from the spectators, don't plan on it.
2.0

By: Steve M.

Posted: December 14, 2003

Painful

I was trying for Boston, but the downhill caused severe leg pain, mostly in the quads even though I trained specifically for the downhill. Much warmer than expected or advertised, therefore not nearly enough aid stations. The Comp1 sport drink was disappointing, stick to Gatorade. The fans that were there were very supportive, but not enough. The route was psychologically challenging, you see the mountains that never get any closer.
2.0

By: J. D.

Posted: December 12, 2003

A well run, friendly race with some imperfections

I stayed at the hotel that was the race headquarter, and that was very convenient since the race is a point-to-point marathon and there was bus transportation to the start provided right at the hotel. The pasta dinner was above average and worth the $15.00. The bus ride to the start was nice and we left at 5 AM, arriving just before 6 AM. It was warmer than normal, but still cool when we arrived, so I am glad that we did not have to get off the bus until just before the race started. Throughout the day the weather was perfect, and was just beginning to get warm when I finished. The only real problem, and it was minor, was there was no water at the first aid station. I don't think this affected the race at all, and there were more than enough water stations late in the race, maybe too many. The scenery, for someone from the East, was just spectacular. The generally downhill course presented some new challenges. I got blisters on both feet, the first time in years, and my quads were very sore before the end of the race. More so than is usual after running a marathon. The uphill finish is a challenge, similar to the finish of the Marine Corps Marathon. Post-race was nice, lots of water and other drinks, but not a wide variety of food. I really like the cactus finisher's medal! All in all it was a great experience, I would recommend it and would do it again. As a matter of fact, I plan to do it again.
4.0

By: Dinh N.

Posted: December 12, 2003

Great course, nice people, good weather

Had a fabulous run, set my PR and qualified for Boston. Not as many participants as I thought. People were lining up and cheering along the course where they were allowed to. A few cops yelled at people parking along the road of the first half and threatened to arrest them. Perfect weather with 40s at the start and 60s at the finish. There were plenty of fluids (I mostly used water to wash down 3 Powergel packs and to cool my head), Cliff Shots and even candies at miles 20-22. The course started out uphill, then downhill all the way until the last 2-3 miles. Funny how my body got used to running downhill, the flat parts near the end felt like uphill. The ending was great as my body switched to a different set of muscles. Could have run a couple more miles after the finish. Higly recommend it for those who seek PRs.
4.0

By: polenta p.

Posted: December 11, 2003

No frills is right, but thats okay

This is my second marathon, and a perfect compliment to running my first in Chicago, as it was the opposite in a lot of respects. Not many spectators, especially in the first half, but the second half had great access, as my wife was able to catch me at almost every other intersection (whereas when I ran in Chicago, she could never even find me once - having few spectators sometimes has its bonuses!). The course is crazy fast, especially the first half. I beat my previous time by 45 minutes, mostly from in being in better shape, but also from the couple thousand foot drop in the first half of the marathon. It does flatten out though, and I did not run accordingly, thus hitting the wall trying to maintain my speed into the flat ending of the marathon. For a marathon as an experience, I would recommend something different, but for aggressive PR seekers, this is a great time-maker. No complaints on the sports drink (I like it weak!) but the Clif Shots were not handed out at mile 18 as advertised, rather, we were given a double dose at mile 22 (I think), which wasn't too big of a deal for me, but might have been for others. Great marathon, great volunteers, and a PR for me. More spectators and better access in the second half of the marathon could help though.
4.0

By: Mark G.

Posted: December 10, 2003

Friendly people, but still a no-frills race

This race would be liked by a lot more runners if the organizers tweaked a few things. There's a high entry fee in comparison to what is delivered. The sports drink needs to go; it's poorly prepared (and most have never heard of it). The t-shirt is full of sponsors' names, etc--not marathon caliber. The finisher's medal simply lacks (no wonder they hand them to you as opposed to hanging them on you). The expo is fairly lean, but the volunteers are very friendly. The first part of the course is very narrow. Because it is downhill, this race attracts a pretty aggressive crowd; it doesn't thin out until about mile 10 or so--running along the narrow highway's edge makes for some tricky maneuvering when you're passing others (it does widen after the halfway point). Post-race goodies were abundant and they did ice down the water (many thanks). Drop bag pick-up was easy, as was pre- and post-race bus travel. Weather was good to warm. Plan on an early chill that quickly disappears after sunrise. There are almost no spectators. Instead, you'll get a full view of the mountains and desert valley as you head towards Tucson (the race is north of the city). Rumor has it that there are course changes coming--check their website to see what, if at all, those rumors come to fruition. This race is basically about running; pure and simple. Little frills, but like I mentioned, very friendly volunteers. No frills doesn't bother me, nor do tacky medals and t-shirts--just adjust the entry fee to reflect that. I've spent a lot less and have received so much more at other events. Thankfully, there were no disruptions from cars crossing the path this year--the course marshalls gave us the right-of-way all the way; THANK YOU.
3.0

By: Anonymous Poster

Posted: December 09, 2003

No-Frills Race

This race is extremely no-frills and seemingly effort is made to just get by with the bare minimum. There are no timing clocks on the course, you must wear a watch as that is your only mechanism to tell where you stand. There is water and sports drink, but there are no signs indicating which is which so you have to yell out and ask for sports drink if you want it as you are racing into the tiny water stop. There are no fans, so best to be a self-motivated racer. Even at the finish area there are only about 100 total fans spread out over the last mile. There are no awards. The top finishers got a piece of plywood with a print on it. It looks like they were mass-produced and are extremely cheap. The buses to the start of the half marathon drop you off 60-90 minutes before the 7am start into a dark dirt lot in the middle of the desert. It is completely dark and in the 30/40's in terms of temperature. There were 6 heatlamps there for about 1,500 or more runners. It was rudimentary at best. You were not allowed to remain on any buses so you had to stand in the cold and dark for up to 90 minutes. The course is decent but not the lightning-fast course it is cracked up to be. There are uphills and the pounding does affect your quads... more so in the full marathon. Also, 4,500 foot altitude at the start of the full marathon does affect those not from altitude. Overall, this is probably a good venue to get in a training run and have a nice, warm weekend, but is not currently a race that focuses on giving back to the runners. Mostly it seems that the race is trying to cheap-out.
2.0

By: Terry C.

Posted: December 08, 2003

Enjoyed it and would do it again

I ran this marathon in 2003 and enjoyed it a lot. Contrary to others' posts, there were plenty of aid stations and only the first one was water only. I got Comp1 at the second. Sure it tastes different than Gatorade or PowerAde, but if you use it in training it kind of grows on you. The buses got us to the starting line well ahead of time (maybe a bit too far) but they stayed around so we had somewhere to sit and wait. It got awfully warm during the race. The uphill portions of the course were sure appreciated to give quads a break from all the downhills. A lot of the course seemed more level than anything else. They could open up the first half of the course for more spectators, as they are places to park in Oracle. Those who were there were doing the best they could. The best part about fewer spectators is that it is easier to find the ones who are there specifically to support you. I saw my wife at least a half dozen times over the last half of the race and that really makes a difference.
4.0

By: Jim N.

Posted: December 08, 2003

Fast course, great weather, excellent organization

This is a very good race. It is a fast course and the three times I have run the race the weather has been perfect. The bus trip to the start is very well organized. It is cool at the start but you can stay on the bus. The only problem I encountered was the first aid station had run out of water, but I am sure that will be corrected in the future. There is also a very nice expo.
4.0

By: Amy W.

Posted: December 08, 2003

Small changes, big improvements

I didn't run the marathon this year, but would definitely consider doing it next year. I did however run the half in prep for the Disney Marathon in a month. I am from the Tucson area and I ran the marathon relay last year with friends. Although it was a lot of fun and I set a PR for the 10k leg of the race, there were some noticeable things lacking in last year marathon. Thankfully, though this year these things have been corrected. First the actual running space was widened to include a full lane of road plus the shoulder, whereas last year it was just the shoulder. The relay switch off points were changed so that they were separate from the water/aid stations. Last year was such a mess because there were runners from the marathon colliding with relay runners handing off and volunteers with water and sports drink in the mix. To be honest this year I couldn't even tell where the relay points were. Lastly, this year they not only gave medals to the marathoners and the relay marathoners, but to the half-marathoners as well. Last year while standing in line for the porta-potties post race, my friends and I were behind a couple of half finishers who were congratulating us on finishing the marathon. We explained to them that we didn't do the marathon individually but as a group. One of them remarked on how they ran 13.1 and didn't get anything. I was a bit taken back by this. So I am glad that they recognize the half marathoners too! It is not 26.2, but how many people can go out and run 13.1 on any given day. That is accomplishment too! Overall, great weather, cool at the start, but no wind this year. Course can wear on your quads a little, but the rolling to downing hill running is nice. Great views of the Catalina Mountains and the valleys in the last 4-5 miles of the race. Aid stations were run well. The buses ran smoothly and were timely both to the start and the shuttles back to parking area. Overall, great race and great job to the race coordinators!
3.0

By: Brian T.

Posted: December 08, 2003

Would not run it again

There was a lack of water during the beginning of the race with nothing at the first water stop, limited amounts at the second and then normal amounts there on out, starting around mile 7 or 8. The sports drink offered when available was terrible in flavor/taste. If you want spectators during your marathon, this is not the one, as it is very spectator unfriendly. The average was about one spectator per mile and all were after mile 13. Would second the comment that I have been to 5k races with more food and water at the end than this marathon. I was very dissapointed in the overall organization and layout of the course and will not run this marathon again.
2.0

By: JANET C.

Posted: December 29, 2002

SUN,MOUNTAINS AND BLUE SKY... CAN'T GET ANY BETTER

What a wonderful environment to run a marathon! Living in Michigan where sun is a rare commodity in the winter, the Arizona sunshine lifted my spirits. I kept looking to my left to engrave the picture of the mountain ridge in my memory for the trip back home. I loved doing a downhill marathon-oh my aching quads-and a desert marathon. A very friendly marathon, good support, thank you volunteers...and a wonderful finish line after the hill. While spectators are limited the first 13 miles, the small numbers of spectators were very encouraging. I hope to run it again in 2003.
4.0

By: Markus S.

Posted: December 24, 2002

awesome experience

This was an awesome experience for me since it was my first one i ran.
3.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 20, 2002

I enjoyed the run.

While I had an enjoyable time running this race I do have a few comments on the organization. 1) There were very few spectators during the first half of the race. The pre-race info was very specific that spectators were not welcome along the first half, but it still affects my enjoyment of the event. 2) The busses to to start were somewhat difficult to find. A map to the bus pickup location was not included in the pre race-packet, and the bus driver did not know where we were going. He ended up following another bus. 3) The course was narrow and tight for most of the race. The first half was along shoulder of the highway. We did not even get a lane to our selves during the full second half. 4) The snacks at the finish were not even on par with some of the 5K and 10K races I've done this year. They had water, bagels, and bannanas. No oranges, or apples. The aid stations along the route were not evenly spaced at 2 miles. Don't get me wrong, this race was not all bad. The course was asphalt all the way (after the first two miles on hard packed dirt road). We did not have to run on cement at all. While the weather is beyond the control of the organizers, I thought it was perfect, mid 40's at the start and warming up after that, (at least we didn't have to run in the rain like my last marathon). The desert was pretty to run through, and offered endless potty stops when there were no porta johns around.
3.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 15, 2002

good, but...

Many of us sign up for this race thinking fast fast fast. As I've discovered the last two years, that is not always the case. Personally, I don't mind the low 30's cold early in the morning. But as the day progresses, the desert sun can be quite intense even though the actual temp may be only in the low 70's. The first half of the race is very fast, but there doesn't seem to be much mention of the long inclines in the second half. And there are several. The aid stations, especially early on, are only one table long, sometimes two. Overall, it's still a good run, but keep in mind the downhills, the uphills, the heat, the dryness, and not quite enough aid stations.
2.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 14, 2002

Dissapointing

This was my fourth marathon, but the first one that I have no desire to repeat. The marathon is not runner friendly nor organized well. My wife volunteers at my marathons and she commented on how this was the worst organization as well. The course is run mostly along a narrow side of a highway. They do not even give you a lane the first half. Besides being slanted it is so narrow it makes it hard to pass slower runners. If you go outside the cones the policemen are everywhere to yell at you to get back off the road. Additionally, the policemen have no problem stopping you to allow traffic to go through the intersections. I was stopped for over a minute and I am a 3:50 marathoner. They do have people that track the time you are stopped so that if your trying to qualify for Boston they will give you back the time - UNBELIEVABLE. The worst part besides the 30's start and 70's finish is the dearth of aid stations. The were several spread over 3 miles apart. Major races should never go more than 2 miles apart preferably every mile. Also, the race sports drink is much sweeter than Gatorade or Powerade. I did not like it. As far as crowd support goes I think I can remember all seven of them. This is because they are very adamant about not have any parking for spectators at the start of the course and during the first 13.1 miles. It was not all bad. The course is actually rather scenic, however it is the same scenery for 26.2 miles. Does get rather monotonous. And if you do practice your downhill running and don't require much hydration you may be able to get a fast time. You will just pay for it over the next few days - I was definitely in more pain after this one than any of my previous marathons.
2.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 13, 2002

Nice scenery fast course

If you like desert scenery then this is the course for you. Overall, the organization was good, I had no trouble getting my running materials at the expo or getting to the start. Water and sports drink were plentiful and well prepared. There was some crowding at the end of the race due to the small amount of space on the roadside shoulder we were running on. Overall the scenery was peaceful and the few fans that were out were very enthusiastic. This was my fourth marathon and one of my favorites. The downhill does take some getting used to but can make for a nice PR!
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 12, 2002

A spectacular place to run!

I did the 1/2. The race was very well organized except for two things: (1) there were no clocks along the route and (2) what's with the walkers? The starting chute is very narrow and the race organizers should corral the walkers in the back of the starting pack. The road surface was good and for a sea-level runner, the view is spectacular. Few spectators, but that's not why I do it. The race finishes on a long uphill grade, so you really feel accomplished at the finish line.
3.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 11, 2002

Perfect fast course, beautiful weather

Perfect course! Fast, straight, smooth, soft asphalt (except for the first couple miles of dirt), gentle downhills, long stretches of good flats. Start was cool (35); finish comfortable (65); weather beautiful. From other comments, didn't expect to see crowds, but there were plenty of spectators. I would absolutely do it again. Specific comments: (1) Traffic cops stopped me for traffic. What's up with that? (2) 1/4 mile near finish was coned/taped to about a 3-feet width before dropoff to gravel slope -- runners had to go single file; (3) first aid station stop was way too small, caused a big 'train wreck' of runners (first station should be the biggest, because the runners are the most congested at that point); and (4) you have to take a bus to the start at 5-6 a.m. (which felt like 4-5 a.m. PST).
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 11, 2002

And the, Oh, By-The-Way-Half Marathon.

I never felt like a second class citizen at a race before. Most everything about the half-marathon (which had more runners than the full) smacked of afterthought: The appealing event logo on the entry forms, website and expo was reserved exclusively for the full marathon t-shirts, as were finisher medals, seeded entries, and (here I'm guessing) a full lane of highway to start on. The half even had to start a half hour earlier than the marathon, which started 13 miles further up the same road, as if we had to be out of sight before the real runners came into view. The point-to-point course is downhill, but, to me, not nearly as much downhill as shown in the course profile. Uphill was surely not a stranger to the course (especially the monstrous hill Right-At-The-Finish!) Although the coordination and volunteer support were big pluses, volunteers appeared to have No inkling of Anything or anyone beyond their given task. Maybe that was a matter of profound focus, but we tried all morning (as hypothermia set in) to find my warmups and no one who could even tell us who was in charge of a given area, including the one they worked in. Major pluses include spectators along the course, the ability drive up and down the course to different viewing areas without interfering with the race, plenty of well staffed aid stations, focused volunteers, and a well thought-out start (except for the --perhaps unnecessary-- early start time, and the narrowness of the starting line). Minuses: Not a single time split the whole way; possibly inaccurate mile markers; Police Officers stopping runners at intersections to let cars through; and the heart-wrenching hill at the finish.
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 10, 2002

The race was stopped for the traffic

I ran the half marathon. The volunteers at the expo were great! The pre race dinner of $15.00 was way too expensive for the food you received. Fancy hotel, fancy prices. The shuttle bus service was fine but half marathoners had to stand out in the cold for 1.5 hours before the start. They had 5 heaters but they only serviced the people that were right next to them and the other couple of thousands of us had to stand in the cold. Walkers were not told to start in the back so the first several miles were dodging in and out of walkers. The race was stopped for over one minute to let traffic go through. One of my other friends got stopped twice because of traffic. Very poor organization on that one!!! If I were in contention for an award, I would be furious. The setting for the award ceremony was very nice. It would be nice if they would give medals to the half marathoners because 13.1 miles is also a wonderful achievement. The highlight of the day was seeing Lute Olson, mens basketball coach at the University of Arizona!!
3.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 10, 2002

Race started with out us!

We were on the last but to the start line. we left late and got stuck behind the 1/2 marathon start for 20+ min. Then our bus driver got lost! We started 17 min after the offical start. I was also stopped by police to let traffic by. They only credited us 30sec. For my first marathon things went well I guess. I finished 3:29 and change.
3.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: November 12, 2002

TRAFFIC COPS STOPPED ME

I ran this in 2001 & finished around 3:45. At mile 20 or so, traffic cops stopped me and others to let traffic exit a side street. VERY BAD PLANNING & ACTION by PD. Also, the start was poor, had to sit around in buses for too long waiting for the start & smelling exhaust. FUNNY THING: I ran a PR!
3.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: October 19, 2002

Small but great for PR

Scenic course with few spectators, but great for PR-seekers. Downhill course is rough on some but it was a piece of cake for me. No pain, all gain. Pre-dawn start in desert was bitter cold (low 30s and windy), end of race was over 70. Hard to prepare for temp swing. Bring your own fans, they can easily drive along course and cheer you on at multiple points. I have run Boston, Chicago, and DC, and this one is NOT one of those. But that's OK, as long as you understand it going into it. Would say all of the essentials are well-handled -- hydration, port-a-potties, CliffShot stations, etc. Great place to qualify for Boston if you are close.
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: October 10, 2002

Disappointed...bring your own fans.

I was excited that this was promoted as a fast race. I can safely say that it wasn't quite as fun as I expected. The scenery was too boring to look at for 26 miles, and not many spectators. The weather and buses were great, but running on the left shoulder of the road, was a killer. Started having problems with my left knee about mile 8, only to get worse with all the downhill. It seems there was some organizational problems as well. Though it was said there were restrooms every 2 miles, I (and many others) only saw the 2 at mile 8, we stood in line for 20 minutes. The t-shirt were the cheapest I had ever seen (and I have alot of t-shirts)! Dont expect any hoopla at the finish line, there is very little of that here, bring your cheering committee.
3.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: June 29, 2002

Too much smog from traffic last 6 miles

Fast course, small expo.
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: May 16, 2002

Don't expect glamour

Overall, this is a good marathon, but disapointing in some regards. First, the start is literally out in the desert, which you can only reach by a long cold dark bus ride. The wind and temps at the start were quite cold, but by the end you will have shed most everything. There were virtually no spectators except for a few random cross streets and as you neared the finish. But most of all, beware of the quad killing downhills. Of the 4 marathons I ran prior to this, Tucson left me by far, the most gimpy post race. If the organizers could change the route to avoid the pre-dawn bus ride to the desert start, it would be better.
3.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: January 11, 2002

A Great First Marathon with a Surprise!

This was a fun run, but I was caught off guard by the course. I was expecting to throw down a great time of 3:30-3:40, but hit 4:05 instead. I found my quads and hips to hurt after the 16 mile mark and really started to slow down. I also paid the price of losing a few toe nails. Overall, the race was a wonderful experience and was extremely well organized. I could not have asked for better care from the race officials and volunteers. I just got back from the Disney Marathon which was half as organized as the Tucson Marathon. Granted, the Tucson race had fewer attendees, but it is a diamond in the rough with unbelievable scenery. You can not beat the sun rising over the Tucson mountain range; a wonderful site to behold.
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 26, 2001

Nice, relaxing course but don't be fooled

This was my 4th marathon and considered this one to be pretty easy on the cardio but as others have said, hard on the quads if you're not prepared for downhill. I ran with muscle pain on my left leg near the knee, because of prior excessive shoe wear, which if it was any other marathon I probably would have had a hard time finishing. It was a very forgiving course allowing me to 'fake' a good run. The finishers medal and T-Shirt should be upgraded. We did, of course, just run 26.2 miles, a major accomplishment. Spectators were incouraging at times and the closer to the finish, the more spectators. There probably should be more aid stations. I, for one, am used to hydrating every mile or so. This reduces your recovery period, by my experience. I definitely plan to run in Tuscon again in the future.
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 25, 2001

Great first-time marathon

Long fascinated and inspired by the desert, I chose Tucson as my first ever marathon and I was quite pleased with the entire experience. My advice to anyone considering this race is to remember to go out slow and run your own race. Don't be tempted or fooled by the nearly all downhill course and pay no attention to those around you talking about PR's. Even with nominal downhill training, I ran a 3:54 and ran the entire race with no pain. There were plenty of water stops and the weather was perfect - chilly at the outset, but quickly warmed up once the sun came out. The relatively small field also makes for a good first-time race.
3.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 20, 2001

Get Used to Running Dowhill; Some Glitches

(Ran in'01) Reiterate what several others have said... if you don't make a serious effort at downhill training, your body will likely rebel (as mine did). Weather can be variable year-to-year. Org decent in some regards but iffy/bad in others. I'm not thrilled with bus rides, esp. when coaxed to board 2.25 hr beforehand only to have almost 1.5 hr sitting around at the start area. Desert scenery the first 40% of course is indeed nice, but traffic and development next to the major road beyond that lessen the experience. From local media, the marathon was barely mentioned... the fundraising half-marathon was the noteworthy event. Relatedly, half-marathon walkers thickened the course over (for me) the last 4 mi, which is only road-shoulder-width at that point and amid traffic. No ugly conflicts for me, but the potential was there. Did not happen to me, but heard 2 runners say that traffic cop stopped THEM at about mi 20 to allow traffic to pass. Tucson area is lovely, but give me a flat/slightly rolling loop course where I can park within a quarter-mile of start and finish. This race isn't the shining star I was maybe hoping for. No complaints about post-race food or space. No medal or shirt comments, as those mean little to me. Moderate amount of spectators, with decent crowd near finish, but unfortunately most stood dumbly to cheer only for 'their' runner(s).
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 16, 2001

Looks easy, feels bad

This was my first time at Tucson and my 9th marathon. I did PR but I paid a heavy price for running too fast at the start. My quads hurt so bad that I was walking in the last mile. The most disappointing things about this race were the tee shirt and the finisher's medal. The tee shirt is not a finishers tee shirt and the half marathon shirt was much better. The medal is in the shape of a cactus and has the potential to be unique but is very plain.
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 15, 2001

Be prepared

I just ran the race this year and my legs took a beating. It's not as downhill as they make it seem to be on the map, particularly after the halfway point. But then, around mile 22, the road just drops and you suffer for it. I PR'd on this one, but it was bittersweet. I had such a great run for the first 20 miles, then knee problems just wrecked me at the end. I had to hobble to the finish line. Organization was great, the weather was perfect (except for the ice cold temps at the start line before the sun came up), and the aid stations were perfect (every two miles). I learned a big lesson this time, but I plan to come back and do this race again another time.
3.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 12, 2001

This is a PR marathon

I ran a 4 minute PR, and probably would've done a couple minutes better with more downhill training. This course is easy, but don't be deceived. You still have to run 26.2 miles. And while most of the course is downhill, there are a few 1/2-3/4 mile stretches with a slight grade. I ran Vegas last Feb with no quad killing problems, but Tucson wrecked my quads. This downhill course will take its toll on your quads, but will spare your lungs. Overall, I recommend this race if you want to try and run fast. Excellent organization, short aid stations, so get your arm out quickly or you'll miss that cup of water. When you finish, you'll be wondering why this course is called 'easy' as you endure the worst quad pain ever. Then you'll look at your watch and be reminded.
3.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 10, 2001

Course is fast, but not as easy as It looks!!!!

I thought it best to provide my thoughts, while the pain is still present. This was my 13th marathon and from that perspective, this is a nice local race that is well organized. The expo is smaller, but has the essentials. For out of towners it was very easy to find the expo and hotels were very close. Excellent shuttle bus support prior to and after the race along with volunteers for fluids along the course. Spectators were present at a number of places along route especially for the last 1/4 of the race. The finisher medal and shirt should be upgraded. The weather was great and the course was a dream if you trained heavy for downhill, but if you didn't it will hurt you badly. The last 10 miles was increasingly painful with every step, which was so frustrating as the course is deceptively easy. I will plan to do it again, but as this was my 3rd marathon in 10 weeks, I will be sure to be fresh in order to cruise though the 2nd half like I cruised through the 1st half.
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: October 10, 2001

not the greatest, but underrated

I've run Tucson four times and may do it again this year (2001). Personally, I like the race. It has faults, but has improved steadily each year. There is always some glitch that fouls things up, such as two years ago when there was no gear truck at the start, or last year when there was nothing to drink except water until mile seven, and nothing at all to drink at one aid station around the mid-point. The Expo has improved radically since the days when it had a few vendors in an outdoor tent. They've tweaked the course slightly a couple of times. In 1999 they moved the finish further down Oracle Road, resulting in the need to run the last half mile uphill. Last year the one steep hill that came at mile three disappeared, so now the race is almost *all* downhill. However, the downhill is deceptive. It's true that it's a pleasure to the lungs, but if you are not prepared and used to it, it will *destroy* your quads. The grade is never steep, so runners think they can just mosey along forever. However, 20 miles of it without letup takes its toll. I've known a surprising number of people who have dropped out of this race, or walked it in the last few miles. So when you go, be prepared. Also, the weather is unpredictable. I set my PR on this course the first time I ran it, in a cold driving rain with a bit of hail. The next year it snowed in the surrounding mountains the night before, but was clear during the race. The wind blew so hard it was blowing me outside the traffic cones and it was hard to make forward progress. An hour after the race closed a winter storm hit. The following two years the weather was idyllic, utterly beautiful, with highs in the low seventies at the end, and very dry.
3.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: June 14, 2001

Good first time marathon

This was my first marathon and I thoroughly enjoyed it. The toughest part is, once the highway is reached at approximately mile 6, you can see the mountain marking the finish line 20 miles away. Psychologically it is daunting for a first-timer! The hill at the end is a real challenge on mushy legs and screaming quads but the overall experience was great. Will be back next year.
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: May 30, 2001

FAST FAST FAST

I beat my best marathon time by over 20 minutes because of the downhill. This course has no real hills. If you're a wimpy runner you may not like the little bitty rolling grades at the start, but after mile 3 it is COMPLETELY downhill. There is another little grade right at the finish, but nothing to cry about. You'll also be without much crowd support, but if you don't mind running by yourself then you'll feel right at home. This is a super fast course and a real challenge in the desert. (could be sunny) If you don't like the wide open/sunny/desert/running by yourself marathon, then don't do it. Also, you'd better train right for this one. Big price to pay for the fast course if you're not in shape, 23 miles of a slight downhill will do a number on unfit legs/knees. Train for the downhill, or you'll be sorry.
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: May 23, 2001

Good course, but NOT 'all downhill'

I've read the other comments that said that the marathon was organized well and a great course, and others that said it was full of hills and no water and poor organization. Here's my 2¢ -- Overall Organization - Good, as adequate directions were given as to the expo (which was fine) and parking for the start. Despite the other comments that said that the only way back to parking was by walking against the finishing runners, I personally rode a shuttle bus back to the parking area and there were an ample amount of those. The post-race party was on a big patch of dirt with no shade, could have used a few canopies put up so that people could chill out under there. Course - Yes the first few miles had some rolling hills but no killers, and it was useful in keeping me (and probably others) from starting off too quickly. Yes it's true that most of the marathon you're running on the shoulder of the road to the left of the cones, and on the shoulder there are those grooves dug into the pavement, but I never had to make any real effort to avoid them, they were off to the side well enough. Most of the course is slight downhill, no real quad-killing hills to worry about. Yes there's an uphill to the finish, I have to agree with that. Water stops - It is NOT true that there were no water stops between miles 5 and 13, but it IS true that there were not enough of them. They had advertised that there would be water every 2 miles so I left my water bottle at home -- big mistake when the stops turned out to be closer to 3 miles apart in mid-course. So I agree that there were not enough water stops, and if you're like me and prefer to load up like a camel at each stop, bring a bottle with you. Finisher's Medal - Yeah it's a cool cactus, but I do agree with the other comments that having the sponsor's name so prominently on the front made it kinda cheesy. Maybe the sponsor should have been inscribed on the second line rather than the event itself. Overall -- yes I will be back for this one, just keep in mind that it's a desert marathon and it's a very good idea to wear a hat, as the sun never lets up. Good luck!
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: May 05, 2001

excellent organization, fast and not too crowded

I'm from Chihuahua, Mexico and I loved it. My wife supported me all over the way after mile 12 and it was excellent. I made my personal record and qualified for Boston. I'm running it again in December 2001.
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: April 18, 2001

Fabulous, extremely fast course; Boston Qualifier

I cannot believe the tepid reviews of this marathon! I thought it was super and will definitely run it again. The couple of short uphills were insignificant - the course is a steady downward grade, dropping 2200 feet. I was worried that the down-hill would be too steep, but for me it was perfect for falling into a comfortable, FAST pace. The temperature at race-start was in the 40s and we ran the first half with a tail-wind. As the temperatures climbed into the 50s the breeze shifted to the side which kept body temperatures comfortable. I ran my only Boston qualifier on this course, and bested my PR by 21 minutes! I think there were about 1000 marathoners, which was a good number. There were always runners around me to keep me motivated and 'racing', but I was never slowed by trying to get through a crowd of runners (as in many of the big races). No spectators? A dusty post-race party? Who cares. The race was well organized, the aid stations were well-manned and adequate, the course is unbelievably fast. I wouldn't have them change a thing.
5.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: February 04, 2001

For a relatively new marathon, it is improving

Have run it twice. From my first to my second run, the race from start to finish improved 50 fold. It will be an awesome event in a few more years. I thoroughly enjoyed the route and scenery. More spectator participation would be great. As for aid stations... No problem. They were every 2miles and there was plenty of fluids at every stop. Finish could be in a better spot...But what a challenging finish after a long run. Loved it. I'll be back, and I recommend it to every runner not whiner.
3.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: January 30, 2001

Be prepared for more of a challenge than they say.

When does 'all downhill' not really mean ALL downhill? When it's the Tucson Marathon (which isn't even in Tucson - it's in Oracle, AZ). The hype is misleading and dangerous, especially for first-timers. There are hills, gravel and dirt roads for the first couple of miles, then very hilly surprises after mile 20. The highway pavement is uneven and has 'notches' for rainwater dissipation, inviting foot and ankle injuries if you don't watch your step every moment. I experienced dehydration due to lack of water stops between miles 2 and 13 (the only stop between those miles had 'run out' by the time I got there - and I was in the middle of the pack). Expo was adequate, but very small compared to smaller marathons with much larger expo's. Bus transportation and clothes check was the best organized and most impressive part of the event. The school kids at the clothes pick-up were great. Medal is cool (copper cactus) but why is the sponsor name larger than the event name? Post-race 'party' was a dirt lot, nothing special. They should try to hold the race in the city to allow more spectators (they weren't even allowed before mile 13 and were threatened with tickets from the State Police!). The course is 26.2 miles of asphalt, car exhaust and desert, desert and more desert. Unless the course and support changes, I won't be back. Sorry.
2.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 18, 2000

Thoroughly enjoyed the course; fast and scenic.

I thoroughly enjoyed myself at this marathon. Not crowded but enough runners not to ever be alone. If you like the desert scenery you'll love the course. The weather was beautiful and temperature cool. If you need crowd support you won't get much here; it's pretty much all country. I definitely plan on returning for future marathons.
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 14, 2000

no spectators

I have read the previous two reviews. I had no trouble with the water stations. They were spaced about every two miles and had water and sportsdrink available. I noticed all the mile markers, they could be a little more conspicuous. You don't need split times at every mile, wear a watch. Course is basically fast, but no spectators. The last 1.2 miles is brutal uphill. The walk back to the parking area is over a mile, it needs to be closer.
3.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 10, 2000

Too few water/ade stops. Bad mile markers.

There should be water and/or ade at every mile. Especially the early miles. The mile markers were small and hard to see. They should be larger, raised up, or marked with balloons. There should be split times at every mile. The pasta dinner was an overpriced rip-off. Weather was good, and course terrain is great, except for the cruel uphill finish. Crowds are sparse. Traffic control is generally good. Buses were on time and runners could stay in them for warmth before race. More port-a-potties at start would be really good. The finish area is an awful, dusty, shadeless, dirt lot.
3.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 07, 2000

Not all downhill!

All I heard about prerace was 'downhill!'. Beware, there are a couple slow, gradual uphills early on. Not too bad, but a surprise if you're not expecting it! No water from mile 8 to mile 14. (One water station was out). Busses to the start were well organized, allowed to stay on the bus to keep warm until the start. Disappointed to have to run on the shoulder of the highway. Unless you have family looking out for you, don't expect ANY crowd support!
2.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 06, 2000

Not Good For First Timers

Course is too boring and the lack of spectators does not help keep you motivated. The only route to walk back to the parking lot to get your car was along the running route which interfered with oncoming runners. Downhill course seemed to have some 'uphills' in it.
3.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 03, 2000

poor organization

There were no relay signs to point out each leg on the marathon relay. I ended up missing the baton for my leg and one runner had to run two legs. Very poor organization, but a nice fast course.
2.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: November 02, 2000

Poor Organization

This could have been a great marathon except for the poor organization. The pre-race expo was crowded and poorly run. Water stations were few and far between, especially at the finish line (when you need it most.) There are no spectators along the course. The course is mostly downhill which is nice, but runs alongside a major highway. I saw a runner nearly hit by vehicles more than once by motorist ignoring the orange cones protecting the runners. The temp. at the start was in the low 30's, and in the 70's when I finished (around noon).
2.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: October 05, 2000

Beautiful, fast course

Because I love Tucson and enjoy visiting in the winter, I decided to run the Tucson Marathon a few years back. I ran the race in 1998 and the start changed in 1999. I heard that it makes the course a little easier. In 1998 it was very cold at the start (30s), although I believe this is rare. The first couple of miles are a little hilly I suppose, but I didn't really find it that bad even though I was worried, I don't care much for hills in marathons. But after 3 or 4 miles it's a long, gradual downhill. It's great! The views are great with mountains on all sides. But don't expect a rural desert feel, you're running right on a major freeway on the shoulder. This surprised me. The things I liked about this marathon: 1) The course is really nice, the downhill is nice and gradual and doesn't kill your quads. I think it's a fast course. 2) The weather was nice and cool, although it could potentially be hot. 3) The course is scenic. I like pretty mountains and desert scrub plants. 4) It's a smaller marathon--not a 'mega' race, but you always have plenty of people running around you. 5) Tucson is a great vacation destination. There's lots of interesting things to do and beautiful things to see. What I didn't like about this marathon: 1) Not enough water. Not a problem if it's cool, but a problem if it's hot. 2) I didn't like running on a major road. 3) If you need spectators, they're few and far between. 4) Chintzy medallion. Mostly I liked Tucson a lot and would run it again. I think the organization could be improved a bit, but I think this marathon has great potential.
3.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: July 04, 2000

Beautiful course

2 steep hills right away in the first 2 miles...but then that's it. This is a best kept secret. I feel faster than Chicago because of all the downhill. Prepare for them...your quads will hurt if you don't. I have never drunk so much water in my life, but was fine due to the dryness of the desert. Just a very beautiful course with the mountains on your left the entire time after 2 miles. Expo is very small & crowded, need more porta potties (only 1 at mile 13) and the finish area was a disaster as far as if you needed to leave in a car/shuttle. They have supposedly learned their lesson and I plan on going back for one of my favorite marathons!
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: May 19, 2000

Easy course, poorly organized

Downhill course in which you could PR. Problems with getting enough buses to take you to the start of the marathon or half-marathon in time for the start. Big mess with late arriving clothes at the finish. Food and drinks about a mile uphill after the finish. Parking...basically, needs a lot of work to put a quality event.
3.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: May 18, 2000

Fast Course,nice location,could be a Pr

The Tuscon Marathon has a fast course. It starts out in this little desert town and you run to Tucson. It is a perfect down slope for 20-22 miles and then flattens out. I remember only 1 little hill on the whole course. I did have a little problem with the low humidity in Arizona , I was really thristy during the run. The race needs to iron out some problems they had at the start and finish . They did say they would fix these problems this year. A good race.
3.0
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