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Dallas Marathon (formerly the Dallas White Rock Marathon) - Race Reviews

3.9
Average rating based on 337 Reviews

By: Jose Castro

Posted: August 19, 2020

Terrible

Lack of water at the finish. The organizers for this event only care about your money and nothing else. You get two beers after you finish and a cheap plastic medal. You are lucky if you can get access to the bathrooms after the race. They hold the finish celebration outside and if it rains or if its cold you're screwed. The director only wants your money. Save your time and effort and go elsewhere.
2.0

By: Tom S.

Posted: December 25, 2019

Big D-Lightful

You can tell these folks have done this thing for 49 years. Very well organized with easy packet pickup, well-run wave start and enthusiastic volunteers at well-spaced water stops. Course was nice through downtown, beautiful neighborhoods and around the lake, although I'd like it more if that lake portion had been a bit shorter. The two big hills around Mile 19 were nasty, but hey, we got to run down those same hills about 10 miles earlier so I guess it all evens out. Having done my last training run in 28-degree weather, I wish it hadn't been so warm, but I can't think of anybody I can blame for that. I recommend this race.
4.0

By: troy p.

Posted: December 17, 2019

So So Event

The event is well organized. Aid stations well staffed. Given the price tag...this event gets 1 star. Other than the first and last 200 meters, the course lacks fan support. You will find yourself running isolated for long stretches. The sponsors need to add numerous entertainment spots along the course to break-up the isolation feeling. The Ultra course needs a 26.2 timing mat. The course has many turns and curves and there is not a certified course line to follow.
3.0

By: Paul P.

Posted: April 30, 2019

Really well-executed race with great support!

This was my first marathon (after 8x 13.1s in other places) and I had a great experience in Dallas. Other than one decently difficult hill at mile 20, the course is fairly flat and runs through some really pretty neighborhoods in Dallas. The back 11-20 miles are around White Rock Lake, which is both pretty and good for pacing purposes. Fan support was great and the aid stations were well stocked (every 2 miles). The event ran incredibly smoothly. Would recommend this race to anyone!
5.0

By: Christopher B.

Posted: December 11, 2018

Great, well-run, must do Marathon

The race organization was very good from registration through the finish chute. The course took runners through interesting parts of the city and through some very nice neighborhoods. The loop around the lake was very nice. Spectators were friendly and offering all types of 'non-traditional' foods and beverages. Official rest stops were plentiful and well stocked. I really liked the pyro at the start line. Medal and shirts were very nice. I would highly recommend this event.
5.0

By: Laura E.

Posted: December 11, 2017

Dallas

I ran the half marathon. Everything was very well organized, from race communications to the expo to race day. The expo was nice, but really didn't have any apparel vendors other than the official race apparel. The course was okay. Relatively flat with a few gradual hills. I really enjoyed the Highland Park and other residential areas, but some stretches that were industrial or along highways felt a bit desolate. Good aid stations, decent fan support throughout. Finish line area was well spaced out so there was room to move and take your time getting through all the different stations. Really nice finishers shirt.
4.0

By: Denise S.

Posted: December 18, 2016

Kind to the back of the Pack

This was a great marathon even for the slowest runners. There were some hills, mainly in the first part of the race, a couple of short hills in the second half. They had music on the bike path that was after the run by the lake. Everyone was friendly and supportive even though I was one of the last runners. The police stayed and made sure the runners were safe even past posted course limits. We were redirected to the sidewalk in the last mile, but I was still given an official finish time and medal. My only criticism is that the half marathon runners didn't split off until around mile 9.5, so it was congested until the split. But, after the split I was never alone and I could see other runners until the last point two miles.
4.0

By: Larry M.

Posted: December 15, 2016

Best overall White Rock Marathon yet

Was interesting to see what new management and BMW sponsorship would do with this race and overall it was quite positive. Did notice fewer live bands on the course this year and the Expo was light on Running wear/shoes, but lots more cars!
4.0

By: Wes B.

Posted: December 13, 2016

Well organized race with PR potential

I ran the half marathon for the first time this year and was impressed! Very well organized race and flat course. I think the full marathon is hillier, but can't speak to that. I would recommend staying at the Omni hotel as I literally walked out the door to starting line! My only suggestion would be to have digital clocks visible, at least at the halfway point for the race.
4.0

By: Scott B.

Posted: December 12, 2016

Almost Perfect Day in Dallas

This year's Dallas Marathon was blessed with almost perfect weather. The day started in the low 50s with clouds and fairly calm. However, as the day progressed the winds kicked up and were well over 20mph with 30+ mph gusts about 3 hours into the race. That's totally out of the RD's control and really didn't diminish a great day for running. It made the finish quite challenging in spite of it being a fairly flat course. The race highlights: THE EXPO: Fairly typical for a large marathon in that there were tons of vendors and tons of stuff. I really enjoy spending time at expos and this one did not disappoint. With BMW being the title sponsor this year, there was some really cool car stuff to play around with. THE COURSE: Having lived in Dallas for about 10 years, I am very familiar with the course and it definitely went through a lot of the best neighborhoods in the area. However, the out and back at White Rock Lake is a little repetitive and ignores the section that would include the arboretum which is a beautiful part of the lake. The worst part of the course is the section that runs along the Santa Fe Trail which is a multi mile slow climb up a concrete path. The path was not closed and we dealt with several runners coming from the other direction and I was passed twice by bikers who were not part of the event. THE SPECTATORS: The city of Dallas definitely supports the marathon in a big way. There are plenty of spectators on the course to keep you motivated and lots of 'unofficial' food stations along the way for those hungry for doughnuts, beer, or Twizzlers. From the 'Dolly Parton's' and Elvis impersonators, there are plenty of people having fun on the course. THE ORGANIZATION: This is such a well run event, it's obvious that it's been around for over 40 years. From start to finish, this is a very professionally run event that seems to care as much about the marathon as it does the half and the relay. It's nice to run in a race that has doesn't put all the interesting parts of the course on the parts shared by with the half marathon and make the full marathon course seem like an afterthought. I didn't utilize the bag check so I can't comment on that part of the operation.
5.0

By: Katie B.

Posted: December 31, 2015

Highly Recommend this Dallas Race

Very well organized! Highly recommend to anyone. A great Texas option for those completing the 50 states. Starting corrals were nice as it spread out the runners. However, I must have said I'd finish the race in a certain time because I was placed in a corral I thought I'd be too fast for. So just watch yourself when estimating your finish time for that determines your corral placement. I ran with the 5 hour pace group and the pacer was awesome! Big, huge shout out to Drew! The other runners in the group were very nice too :) . Not sure if it is open every year but the convention center was open so that was nice to get inside and out of the drizzly rain. Or if not open and it is rainy, one can stand under the overhang to stay dry. Changing rooms located right by gear bag check. Every marathon should have these available! Just add some carpet...please. I'd come back. I've got friends who live in the area too so that is an added bonus.
5.0

By: Mike Hake

Posted: April 09, 2015

Great city course, 1st-rate organization & extras

Everything about this big-city race experience was great. After the race was cancelled due to the ice storm in '13, the energy of the whole event seemed amplified and thus even more exciting. The expo was as big and awesome as any I've seen. Aisles upon aisles of vendors and booths for races all across the country. It's held in the convention center where there is plenty of space. The weather was great for the race, some may have griped about the humidity and mist, but those are just gripes. The fact is, temps were perfect, in the 50s for the majority of the race, which is about average for Dallas in December. It should also be noted that I'm from KC area, where it can be in the 10s and 20s by December, so to me a little humidity is nothing to complain about. The finisher's medal is so cool, it's the shape of Texas and has lots of color, and the ribbon is very nice and detailed. The tech shirt is very tasteful, it had just the race logo and that's it, and is a comfortable material. The extras that made the race special were almost endless and it is hard to remember all of them. Boston champion Meb Keflezighi led the Mavericks relay team competing against the Ryan Hall-led Texas Rangers relay team. Hall finished with his relay leg in plenty of time to hand out finishers medals to marathoners; he handed me mine. Super humble, friendly guy. His wife Sara won the women's half. I believe there may have been elite appearances at the Expo as well. The massive race start had a huge big screen in view of all runners in the corraled street, and introduced the elites and pumped everyone up with music and race highlights. Fireworks blasted to send us off - it was an electric atmosphere. Spectator support was great, tons of neighborhoods came out in droves to line the course and cheer us on with signs and encouragement. Aid stations were well-stocked and spaced well. There were two CLIF Shot Zones where you ran under their inflatable arch and CLIF people were handing out energy gels. Another thing I noticed comments about was the amount of hills, which (sorry complainers) is absolutely ridiculous. This is NOT a hilly course. I believe there is somewhere around 150-200 feet of hill climbing total, which is very little for a 26.2 mile course. Do not be deterred, this is not a course with any brutal hills, just a few rollers to keep things interesting. The wind off of White Rock Lake slows your pace down for 4-5 miles through the middle of the race, but the scenery of the lake and skyline view of downtown is worth it. Just go into the halfway miles expecting to ease off a bit and you're fine. The final 4-5 miles is pretty much all downhill, which is a huge relief at the end of any marathon. I'm sure I forgot some other details that made this race special, but take my word for it and go find out for yourself why its a fun race. I have family in Dallas area so it was an obvious trip for me, but also if your a marathoner coming from cold winter weather this race (on a normal year) provides relief from the cold. I highly recommend this race to people looking to run a marathon in Texas or a December marathon. I enjoyed the entire experience and left feeling my every expectation was satisfied
4.0

By: Bill S.

Posted: December 23, 2014

Great marathon, don't forget the hills.

Like many others I had to run this year after the cancellation of the 2013 D/T ice storm. The race was wonderful, the bands along the course were very inspiring, water stops perfect. The EXPO was well set up and packet pick up went easy, walked right in, got my packet with no wait. Everything that could be controlled was, and done well. My only complaints were weather, and hills. Now I live in the DFW area, and know there are hills in the area, but we don't have to run up them all, it seemed that the course could have been laid out better. That last hill once we came off running in the wind at White Rock Lake just sucked the life out of me. My other complaint was the sub tropic weather that day. There were so many runners around mile 20-26 with cramps, the humidity was 85-90% that morning with a heavy misty light rain. The race directors can't control the weather, but they could change the course to get out of some of the many hills. Otherwise I loved the race, and will do it again.
5.0

By: Trent V.

Posted: December 17, 2014

great marathon

Nice to have this one back after it got iced out in 2013. Unfortunately, the weather wasn't great for this one. I finished at a disappointing 4:15 (was shooting for 3:50, but cramps got me), and it absolutely started to pour rain right as I crossed the finish line. And I was in the upper 50%, so many many runners ran in the rain. The fan support on this course is great. The organization is great for such a big run. The new course for 2014 was very pretty. It's still a fairly hilly run, though, but that's Dallas. And the winds around White Rock Lake (from roughly 13 - 18 mile points) can be tough, as they were this year. Tons of well stocked water stands, with goo at several. Very organized start. Nobody at the post-race party when I finished, because of the rain. The only real negative was the parking. I paid $15 parking just to pick up my packet on Saturday. Then $10 on race day. There were maybe some cheaper options, but still ... wow. Plus the race itself was like $130. So it ain't a cheap run.
5.0

By: Vickie B.

Posted: December 15, 2014

Pleased to be back

The race directors really brought their a-game this year after the cancellation of 2013s race. The quality of everything from the expo to the presence of staff and volunteers on the course was tremendous.
5.0

By: Nicole S.

Posted: April 23, 2013

My favorite, so far...

I REALLY enjoyed this marathon. The course went through some very beautiful neighborhoods and the section around White Rock Lake was enjoyable. The guy at the end who shook my hand (race director maybe?) made my day! Even though I'm not the fastest, he made me feel like my participation was greatly appreciated. The tech finisher shirt was long sleeve and the design was stylish. I wear it all the time. All the volunteers were friendly and efficient. My only complaint was the food at the end was kind of boring.
5.0

By: Daniel E.

Posted: January 27, 2013

Boring course, post-race setup terrible

Except for the loop around White Lake, it was a pretty boring course. Industrial areas, residential area, few spectators = same old, same old... Having to walk around half the convention center to get to the post-race area was very poor planning. Some previous reviewers complained that they got a cotton shirt instead of a tech shirt, but I don't understand their complaints. The cotton shirt was the pre-race shirt, and the tech shirt was handed out as the finisher shirt. Did these people not pick up the finisher shirt? A shout out to the Dolly Partons. You guys made my day!
3.0

By: Jo Ellen W.

Posted: January 14, 2013

Latest Course Change a Big Disappointment

I've run this event several times, and this latest course change was a big disappointment. At points, the congestion was such that for runners wanting to run through the water station (mile 7-ish?), it was impossible. The finish line ought to take an example from Houston - same set-up (convention center, etc.), but better organization. Having to go upstairs on a very crowded escalator was nuts, and having to walk so far through the underpass just to get inside was nuts. Take another lesson from Houston on how to move runners through the post-race circuit. I have loved this race above all others, and now I don't know that I'll return. (And, yes, let's have something hot at the post-race.)
3.0

By: Megan M.

Posted: January 12, 2013

My First - so have nothing to compare it to...

I used Marathon guide to select this race for my first marathon and was so worried about it being the worst organization, the worst weather, and the worst course, I could have ever selected. My race time was not even close to what I wanted, but it wasn't due to the management of the race, the weather, or the course. It was my first race, so I really don't have anything to compare it to, but I sincerely enjoyed it. I felt like the course was beautiful, well supported, plenty of aid stations (complete with free beer at mile 19 - definitely took advantage). I can honestly say, I had a blast! I will run this again.... and hopefully redeem my time next time. :)
4.0

By: James Lehman

Posted: January 07, 2013

terribly average

I volunteer and run the WhiteRock (excuse me-Dallas) Marathon for the past few years and wish that every once in a while the organizers would attend or run other marathons happening in the US so that they could imitate good things others are doing. 1. Packet pick-up in Dallas compared to Route 66 is dull and uneventful; like a funeral, just solemn. 2. Lack of innovation and marketing compared to Little Rock and Mississippi Blues. Changing the name from White Rock to Dallas alone won't do the trick. 3. They should vary up the shirts. Plain jane shirts from Dallas are totally theme-less. 4. Course is also plain jane save for White Rock Lake which represents a portion of the full race option. 5. Post-race amenities were also disappointing considering the fee structure. Something warm and edible, say? Should I have purchased the VIP for $150? I'm not sure I paid even half that amount for the Balbo tent at Chicago a couple of months earlier. 6. I appreciate volunteers' efforts at the water stations but please instruct them to stand on the side of the street as they offer water/hydration. Too many runners on the course for volunteers to be crowding us. 7. The shorter races (mayor/5K) was an organizational disaster. Not even half the volunteers appeared as committed and there was only one volunteer at the starting point trying to rein in thousands of runners to one lane so that the leaders would have a return lane to run in for getting to the finish line.
3.0

By: ben a.

Posted: December 20, 2012

not an urban marathon

There were virtually no spectators; it was not an urban race in the NYC or Chicago senses. There were too many walkers and little room to move. I ran the half.
3.0

By: Rick R.

Posted: December 17, 2012

Average

I had higher hopes for Dallas, which turned out to be just an average experience. PROS * friendly course monitors, including police * supportive, but limited, crowd support * nice medal (one of my favs of 22) * great expo CONS * water stops - disorganized and generally overwhelmed; some had no drinks available, as staffers were pouring frantically trying to meet demand; some had water first, then Gatorade  others the opposite * course - non-inspiring, to say the least * half and full runners - WAY too crowded for a mid size marathon; seriously, I thought I was running NY until the split at 8 miles or so * race shirt - cotton! * I suppose most downtown areas are desolate nowadays; Dallas was no exception Overall, an average marathon. Thank you Dallas - I hope you strive to improve your overall experience.
3.0

By: Larry M.

Posted: December 13, 2012

Eyes on the big time

I've run this race many times and it has generally been well organized and a nice but not great race. This year's changes - name and a course more designed to show off the city ala Chicago - are logical moves toward making this a big-name race. The former White Rock Marathon is indeed growing up. The variable beyond everyone's control is still the weather. December is usually a delightful time to be here. But the previous year's cold rain, and this year's heat and humidity first - and later the strong wind which was actually a blessing as it moderated the previous conditions - can make this a tough race. But all in all, well done Dallas!
4.0

By: Mike D.

Posted: December 13, 2012

A very nice urban race.

This was my second running of this race and that says a lot about an event as I seldom repeat. I like this race. About 2/3 of the race is really nice. It runs through downtown, into some of the most upscale neighborhoods of Dallas, around White Rock Lake and back to downtown. No significant hills are included. The Expo, volunteers, fans, and staff are great. I just had a few negatives to share. The bag drop off was over 4 blocks from the start at the Expo. To go back to the EXPO to pick up your bag and get food is an additional hassle. I wasted 1/2 an hour when I had a close check out and plane to catch. This was a minor aggravation. The post-race food was fair at best for a major race. There were bananas, oranges, bags of pretzels, and chocolate milk. All this was good, but I have seen much better. There were no bottled water at the finish; there was only waters in cups. Three years ago the T-shirt was of hi-tech fabric; this year it was cotton. Finally, a massage would be nice at the finish. The course was very congested until the half-marathon split. That said, I recommend this race and will likely run it the future. A tip for you frugal runners: Neither Dallas airport has direct DART rail service; however, both airports have a shuttle that connects to the DART to downtown. This is a 90% saving over cab fare.
4.0

By: Jim M.

Posted: December 12, 2012

Needs some improvement

Plusses: Good spectator support Good traffic control Convenience of portapotties in corrals Cons: $12 parking fee to pick up packet There were sections on the course where a left or right turn was required in a compact space which caused a backup of runners and slowed times. Especially at the Armstrong u-turn Water stations were inadequate for 20,000+ runners. Not enough volunteers. Runners were 4-5 deep waiting on water. It took me 45 minutes after the race to get my finisher shirt. Just give it out with the packet.
3.0

By: Curt M.

Posted: December 11, 2012

Good new course with even better support.

I ran The Dallas Marathon this year as part of Team VW. Thanks to them for a smooth packet pickup and great runner packet. I was concerned about traffic and parking Sunday morning, so I used DART. I parked at Kiest Station in South Dallas and paid $5 for a day pass. I only waited 15 minutes and the Blue Line Train picked me up and 6 stops later, dropped me in West End. The Dallas Convention Center was the Pre-Race Holding Tank with plenty of room to stretch and relax. A short walk to the Starting Corals and a very organized Starting Line with plenty of Portalets and we were soon off and running. West Dallas was great. They really turned out, cheered, and welcomed all runners. Volunteers were plentiful on the course. The water stations were always ready and helpful. There was plenty of room to grab a drink and get out of the way. The finish line was great. So many cheering spectators. There was plenty of water and gatorade before moving inside to the food and recovery area. Dallas Marathon was the biggest race I have done with nearly 25,000 runners. I will run it next year and recommend it to others.
5.0

By: Brian C.

Posted: December 10, 2012

If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

This is my 3rd time to run this race (1 full, 2 halves). I thought the course change for the half marathon was a massive downgrade. This felt like we ran 90% of the course in the ghetto and on the freeway ramps just to run over that new bridge near downtown. I got excited when we finally got near Highland Park just to be turned around to go back to downtown. I'm not sure what they are trying to achieve by changing to the 'Dallas Marathon,' but I really hated to see this non-inspiring course for what was my favorite race every year. If they don't make the course more interesting, I'm going to have a hard time staying loyal to this race. That being said, I thought the organizers still maintained the great quality that I have always seen from this event. I could still live without the cotton shirt and just have the finisher shirt, but that's not a big deal as I can always use another grease rag.
3.0

By: John P.

Posted: December 10, 2012

I love Dallas, but this is just an OK race

This race had a record number of participants (22,000) and it showed early on. The water stops were overwhelmed - I had to wait for them to pour me a drink. After the marathon and half-marathons split, the water stops were much better. The only other problem I had was the race goes through some of the less desirable areas of downtown Dallas. I still liked it, but if they can fix the water stops and look at different course options then it would be a better race in my opinion. The expo was really good.
4.0

By: Mark G.

Posted: December 10, 2012

Great race; just needs a few tweaks...

So many good things about this race - updates via email often, race starts on time, medal is beautiful, TWO race shirts (great tech finisher shirt), restrooms and post-race inside convention center worked well, VERY friendly volunteers, great spectators throughout entire course, results posted FAST - including tech data, pics posted quick to Facebook, festive start, easy packet pick-up, multiple gel and orange slices/bananas on course, scenic course, esp. around lake and through stately neighborhoods, course guides that made it impossible to take a wrong turn, and I mention again: VERY friendly volunteers. You never felt alone on the course; all abilities running - including relay participants. Announcer enthusiastic at start and finish - announced many names. Great post-race goodies including chocolate milk! Things that need work: parking for expo a nightmare (no signs) and $15 to park(!), getting into corrals a colossal nightmare, halfers and full run together for first seven so the field to start is massive, water stops inconsistent, some had water first, then Gatorade and vice versa, volunteers had or didn't have gloves (many handing out with fingers inside cups) the road bed throughout the course rutted, uneven, mostly concrete, and slippery, no clocks at any mile markers - not even at 13.1. If you run this - arrive EARLY; repeat arrive EARLY. Use DART; their train systemdrops you about 6-7 minutes from the start corrals (again, arrive EXTRA early to avoid the throngs and have enough time for bag-drop, using restrooms, warming up, etc.). This race is a gem that needs just a few things tightened up. This year's high humidity, heat, and headwinds made for a more challenging day - on a cooler day, you can do fairly well - there are some long hills but there are many stretches of downhills as well - thankfully the last 5 miles or so are almost completely downhill.
4.0

By: chris a.

Posted: December 09, 2012

Average, used to be better

I have run the Dallas/White Rock Marathon 4 times. 2012 was the first time i ran since 2008. This year brought the second course change in ~ 3 years I believe. Despite chancgng the course a few times in the last few years, not sure why running by a Prison and thru a warehouse district in the first five miles was appealing to organizers for this years race. It wasnt to runners. Yes, it allows you to run over a bridge and pass scottish rite hospital. But, theres no river (with water) under the bridge, and there was very little crowd support from scottish rite hospital staff. Organizers should reconsider the route and put more of the White Rock lake back in the course. Further, while the convention center space was nice to have for runners, it creates an extra long walk for runners to have to travel for a banana / pretzel / milk and their finish shirt. I probably walked a mile just to get into the center to get my shirt and back outside. As for on-course water stations, it was fairly good organization and plenty of volunteers handing out water/gatorade. Overall, I was pretty disappointed in the changes.
3.0

By: Tim E.

Posted: December 09, 2012

Great classic race, but rediculous ending

I've done the 'Rock' for years now. The route around the lake and now over the bridge is perfect. It's always a joy to run past major Dallas landmarks... However, this year there are 2 big drawbacks: 1. The race is getting so large that it took until mile 7-8 to start thinning out enough that I didn't have to dodge all of the slower runners or walkers. Why don't slower runners move to the right! 2. The last thing I want to do after running 26 miles is to walk and walk into the convention center, wait among crowds to get on the escalater and walk through the entire expo to get my finisher shirt, and then return back through everything again to get out.
4.0

By: Tyler McCandless

Posted: September 27, 2012

Fun event in the pouring rain

The race is a very well organized event with good hospitality. In 2011 when I ran it the weather was unfortunately poor - 40F and raining pretty hard during a lot of it. I'm fairly sure I even heard thunder as I was entering the finish. The course isn't pancake flat, but it isn't horribly hilly either. You could definitely PR here and I plan to come back to this race in the future.
4.0

By: Zipp W.

Posted: June 04, 2012

Please don't ruin this great race!

I have run the half and full over the last couple of years and this race was great the way they had it. The new changes are starting to make me wonder if this race is departing from greatness. 1. The course out of fair park was awesome, straight downhill to the finish. I don't see how downtown can give you any time advantage over what was already there. 2. Changing the name to the 'Dallas Marathon.' That doesn't mean anything, stick with what people know, which is 'White Rock.' 3. Tacking on a $3 'facilities usage fee.' This sends a signal that suckage is starting to seep in. If it costs $3 extra to use the facilities, just put it in the price, don't kick us in the nuts at the checkout line! 4. This has been the same every year, but why do we get the shirt on the first day? Any way to lower the price and get rid of the participant shirt? I already registered for 2012, I'll give it a chance with all of the new changes. However, what you had going was great and I hate to see it change!
4.0

By: Kelly R.

Posted: May 02, 2012

Horrible weather but great course

I have ran the half marathon before but this was my first full marathon and boy did we have awful weather for it. The packet pick-up is always fairly easy and the expo has some great freebies. I was surprised to see so many spectators out due to the weather so that definitely helped keep me going when I was pretty sure my fingers were frozen solid and I was seconds away from hypothermia. Not really, but my goodness low 40's and raining the whole way was miserable!!!! The starting line could definitely use some improvement, I have ran this race two years in a row and each time I have had to wait 30-45 minutes to actually start running after the race starts. It seems a bit ridiculous to me. Another issue I had was at the water stops before the half marathoners split off, I am a middle of the pack runner and I was having to either stop to get water or they were out of water or cups at some of the stations. Not good when you are relying on these stations for water or gatorade to keep you running for 26.2 miles. My last complaint is that when you finish running and pay a good bit of $$$ I would expect to have bottled water, not tiny cups filled with nasty tasting Dallas City water. GROSS! A race of this size should easily be able to get bottles of water donated so I am not sure who drops the ball on this, but seriously get bottles of water!!!!!
4.0

By: Jim A.

Posted: February 28, 2012

My Favorite Marathon

I ran this the previous year on the VIP package. It came with a parking pass that put you right next to the finish (plus some really cool race shwag and VIP diva perks). I noticed however that there were hundreds of runners who parked in the same area just by arriving a few minutes early before the crowd. This year I did likewise and parked within a few feet of my VIP spot from the previous year. This is a great event for anyone who gives it half a chance. The event is well organized, from the Expo all the way through to the Finish celebrations. The course is challenging but not too hilly and takes you through some beautiful parts of Dallas. In addition to there being plenty to see, there is spectator support all along the way. I loved this year's finisher medal as well. For those who wish to skip the drive this event venue is right on the DART light rail line. It works out really well for those from out of town or car free. I have used it in other years to get to and from the event during race weekend with no issues. For those from out of town you can also stay at one of the downtown hotels and have the DART rail line stop right outside your door. You can walk out of your hotel and in ten minutes be on the race site.
5.0

By: Jo Ellen W.

Posted: February 03, 2012

Big Event with Heart

This was my first marathon and, while the weather was awful, the crowd support, Expo, and swag made up for it! Can't believe how many people were out cheering us on despite the cold and rain! I do wish the mile markers were easier to spot, AND I wish there were some shuttles from the finish to the parking lots. I was so freezing afterward and felt like I walked forever to get to my car. It took hours and a hot shower to warm back up. I also didn't see anywhere to change in the finishers' building, but I didn't look that hard. I really love this event (have done the half several times before) and am really glad it was the site for my first full. I will just hope for better weather next year!
5.0

By: Nancy L.

Posted: December 28, 2011

Even with the rain, it was fantastic!!!!!

This course was simply spectacular! We ran through some of the fancier neighborhoods of Dallas, and the homes were decorated for the holidays. Fantastic course support (loved the HUGE cup of beer at mile 9 or so). Now, everyone is talking about the weather. It was so bad that it actually became funny. I felt like a warrior (or some kind of middle-earth creature) battling nature in addition to the run itself. I would do this course again... no doubt! Thanks for the great run, Dallas. I'll be back!
5.0

By: Javier Pita

Posted: December 24, 2011

Lived up to it's reputation!

After reading that Dallas was one of the top 25 marathons to do and then finally getting run it. I have to agree. The crowd support was awesome despite the fact that it was pouring people were still out there. The mile markers were off but in the end it was the right distance. My only issue was the finish where the half marathoners and marathoners merged. It was crowded and I found myself trying not to run over other runners. But I was happy despite the pouring rain I got a PR and will certainly mark this as one of my favorite marathons.
5.0

By: Tracy B.

Posted: December 22, 2011

Will not be doing the white rock again

I have participated in the White Rock Marathon either as a spectator or as a participant for the past 10 years. This marathon has an excellent course and amazing crowd support,even in the uncommonly nasty weather, but moving this event to the fair park has ruined it. It is a complete mad house, and ridiculously inconvenient for the race and the packet pick up. There is no way to park close to the finish or the start unless you opt for some VIP packages for an extra $150!!! I was forced to park in the fair shuttle parking lot (no shuttle service for the marathon) , the police would not let our line of traffic go to the gate we planned out using the map, the attendant told us that we were in the closest spot to the start which was absolutely incorrect. I later mapped out the distance on Map My Run and it was 1.1 miles from the finish line to the car. After running 26.2 or 13.1 miles in the cold rain (which no one to blame for the weather) i do not want to walk 1.1 miles to my car!!! Last year was the same issue, only at least the weather was nice. I remember last year saying I wouldnt do WR Marathon again and NOW I KNOW I wont. Next year I will do Houston or San Antonio. Sorry White Rock, apparently your goal is to be as big as the New York Marathon, that just ain't gonna happen! Let me know when you start caring about the participants again you bring it back to the AA center.
4.0

By: Mark Fisher

Posted: December 15, 2011

VERY WELL ORGANIZED EVENT! - BIG FAN!!

Pros: - Lots of water/aid stations - seemed like every mile! - Lots of volunteers manning the stations in VERY tough conditions - thank you! - Love the start/finish in same location! - No lines at the expo for packet pick-up (at 10am on Sat) - Nice expo - lots of vendors - Awesome that there is building in the State Fair Park where you could wait INSIDE prior to event (especially considering the poor weather) - Loved the ability to go inside after the race to get food, etc. (again especially considering the weather) - DART was super easy - took it (stayed at downtown hotel) to the Expo and to the Race - Nice course - mostly flat - I did my first negative split ever! Cons: - No clocks on the course to determine your time (might be unnecessary with today's technology - but one at 13.1 would have been nice). - Starting line was a bit narrow which meant it took me 24 minutes to get to the starting line (I planned on a 4:20 pace)
5.0

By: Doug M.

Posted: December 13, 2011

time waster

The weather (cold with hard rain during 95% of the race) really sucked - but you can't blame anyone for that. (Well, I understand that it is typically a pretty sketchy time of the year for weather.) The biggest hassle was the packet pick-up and getting to / from the race from the hotel. It took almost 2 hours to pick up my packet: wait for the next bus, 30 minute bus ride, pick up packet then be forced to wind through a maze to get t-shirt - being treated like dumb cattle to be hearded around for the convenience of the expo sellers and promoters . . . it should be optional whether you want to shop or not - wait for the return bus, another bus ride home. It's really a shame they don't have packet pickup at the hotel or the near-by convention center. It took me longer to pick up my packet than the flight took to get to Dallas. The race announcer went on about the good race weather (it wasn't raining yet at the very start) . . . saying there might be some moisture later but all you'd need to wear is shorts and a shirt. That was a dangerous thing to say . . . I saw people ditching soon-to-be-very-needed clothing / garbage bags / poncho's based on that bad weather and clothing advice. Fans and aid station staffers were unbelievable - especially considering the horrible weather! The course should have been very beautiful (around White Rock Reservoir) + running through some very attractive neighborhoods . . . but the rain and bad weather sort of ruined all of that.
4.0

By: liz R.

Posted: December 09, 2011

I'd like to blame the weather

but it was my own fault. I ended up running the half instead of the full due to undertraining. Sad because I ave run this twice before with the old course and loved it. Pros: Nice expo, good variety of stuff, a children's play area DART worked well for us. No need to drive and fight traffic, which I had heard was bad. Nice course. Pretty darn flat and easy. Pretty course. Scenic, Xmas decorations. Two shirts. Pancakes and soup. Cons: I do prefer the old AA start because it was easier to get to from hotelsI could walk. If it hadn't been so rainy and cold, maybe I could have walked to Fair Park? The weather. Volunteers who didn't show due to weather. Congested where the full and half merged at the end. I was running the half with no goal, but had I been running the full with a time goal....I hope no one had trouble. Overall, it was positive and I'll do it again.
4.0

By: jesse m.

Posted: December 08, 2011

Wet, cold but overall fun

I ran a 9 min PR in foul weather and frankly spent to much time dodging puddles! Silly enterprise... Pros: 1. Packet pick up and getting to start were a breeze on DART, why anyone bothers with trying to drive in I just dont know. 2. Outsatnding volunteer support, the weather was filthy and standing out there in it and providing us water/gatorade etc Kudos to all 3. Nice course, mostly flat, hills negilble 4. Love post race graphic tool showing race breakdown Cons: 1. Weather but really moaning here, nothing can change it 2. Total chaos inside bulding after the race no clue, I got my medals and left 3. Ok, this is a disturbing trend I see repeatedly. The half marathoner merge. They need their own lane coned off, otherwise the 4 and 5 abreast nonsense that blocks the course occurs. Really frustrating when you are trying to sprint to finish when you have to literally go through a wall of people, one 'wall' is enough tyvm 4. Random non-runners on the course, to include vehicles backing up out of drive ways, really? Come on now. Overall DWRM is a good event but they need to tighten up race course security and post race event.
4.0

By: ELIZABETH J.

Posted: December 07, 2011

AAC is far better especially for out of towners

This was my 4th White Rock, I believe the AAC gives the race a more prestigious feeling especially with the TV station right there. We can grow Dallas marathon into one of the greatest in the circuit without the larger organizations taking over, if we return it to AAC. We have everything right there with the arts district and soon the park over the freeway. We want to encourage out of towners to come to the city and enjoy a clean and safe place to visit and show the best Dallas has to offer by way of the great hotels, restaurants and museums all within walking distance or short taxi ride away. As for Fair Park, it's not the easiest place to get to, and the sprawling distance to get from one building to another is further than someone wants to walk following running a marathon. Then following that with another long walk to the car. However, the chicken broth this year, was...well THANK YOU, it was the best!
4.0

By: Danielle C.

Posted: December 07, 2011

Miserable weather, amazing volunteers!

As I'm sure many others will comment, the weather for this race was miserable - 40, raining, and windy. That being said, there's nothing race organizers can do about it. The race has a nice size expo and I attended the race-sponsored pasta party at the Omni, which was the host hotel. I did not notice any organizational issues until the start. The corrals were not enforced at all, and many people went to the earlier corrals because the entrances to the corrals were few and far between and it was easier to go to the front. This caused a great deal of congestion in the early miles. I started in Corral D, which did not cross the start line until 25 minutes after the start. I know this was better than last year, but it still seemed ridiculous. The first 9 miles were incredibly crowded because of the half marathoners (happens in a lot of races) but because of the puddles and conditions, it was actually dangerous. My pace group had a hard time staying together and on the right pace because of the congestion, but that was substantially improved after mile 9. Probably because of the poor weather, there were not many volunteers at the early water stops, resulting in people having to stop to get cups filled, get their own cup off the table, etc. With the congestion, it was sometimes easier just not to stop. Again, this was alleviated in the later miles. I found the course to be very fair and generally pretty. I have run some very hilly races (Atlanta, Baltimore) so I did not think this course was hilly at all. The 9 miles around White Rock lake are beautiful. The spectators and volunteers who braved these conditions cannot be thanked enough! They were enthusiastic and cheerful and I was so appreciative of each one. The finisher's medal is good quality and MetroPCS is a great sponsor- they handed out free ponchos, gloves, and chapstick at the start and had cell phones available for runners to call their families at the finish! I've never seen anything like that before. I was so cold when I finished the race that I wasn't thinking coherently and missed the finisher's shirts entirely. The layout of the area where runners get their medals, food, bags, etc, is somewhat confusing. Basically, if you didn't have a checked bag (I didn't) you would never have seen the beer or finisher's shirts. Overall, I enjoyed the race and I came close to a PR despite the conditions. The city really gets into the marathon and there is a ton of news coverage about it. The host hotel was great. If I wasn't trying to complete the 50 states, I would probably come back.
4.0

By: Grant P.

Posted: December 06, 2011

Great Marathon

This was a great course. Relativly flat, but a challenging hill at about mile 21. Weather was horrible, but thats part of the game. This was my first full marathon and had an extremely positive experience. Three quick comments to improve for next year 1. More port-a-potties before the half marathoners break away, there was quite a wait for one before then. 2. Faster start: Waited almost 30 minutes after the gun before I crossed the start line, but I know it is difficult with 25,000 runners. 3. When running by the relay stations for the relay runners, they tended to crowd the route making it difficult to get through. This was worse at the station at mile 21. I had to stop running and ask people to move out of my way so I could keep going. Traffic control, or a gate off to the side for the relay would be great. I would reccomend this marathon to anyone, great course, plenty of water points, and awesome volunteers!
5.0

By: Jeannie D.

Posted: December 05, 2011

Let down

It was cold and raining and I understand volunteers maybe did not show so I can overlook waiting at some water stops to get water poured into a cup or having to stop, go to a table and pick one up. What I don't get is why there were not at least signs pointing out which building to go to for package pickup. And why the wait for over 35 minutes to cross the start? Also for $100 I would have expected at least a bottle of water at the end. There was some dinky little cups way off the one side. The post race was a huge cluster of disorganization with no easy flow to move. The food, what there was of it, had a huge line. And to promote pancakes as a post-race food only to find out the were being sold for $5 outside in the rain is disgraceful. And please, $3 for a 6 oz cup of coffee with no lid? What runner comes with money. There should have been some thought to a setup for changing, esp. given the advance notice of the rain. At least the course nice even in the rain with huge puddles that couldn't be helped. Really long walk after the marathon especially when adequate food and water was not provided. This could have been a really great experience in spite of the weather.
3.0

By: Jason M.

Posted: December 05, 2011

Contradictions

I am writing this review for the 2011 race, as a middle of the pack finisher. The race expo was very well organized and put on well. The pasta dinner was very nice. Race Day traffic and parking was a mess and chaos. I left my hotel at 6 a.m. Traffic was gridlock approaching Fair Park. Once in Fair Park I did not see anyone directing traffic and helping with parking. I found a place to park on my own at 7:55 a.m. The race started at 8 a.m. I had to run to the start. At the start it was very difficult to enter the corrals. I think with a race of this size, multiple shuttle pickup points should be utilized with large buses. During the race many 'water stops' were out of fluids or had totally run out of cups or could not keep up, mostly the first 10 miles or so. Sometimes 'water stops' were on both sides of the course and other times on one side or the other, which made it confusing. Where they did have fluids, sometimes water was first and other times sports drink was first. Plus in my opinion the 'water stops' were not long enough. I do not know what happened with this aspect of the race, but it seems like something went really, really wrong with this aspect of the race. The race course itself was nothing special, but it was fine. Fairly uneven surface at times. The volunteers and the spectators that were out were wonderful. It was raining and cool, so my hats off to them!! The post race food was a let down. The cup of warm soup was good. This was my experience. Happy training everyone!
3.0

By: Melissa B.

Posted: December 05, 2011

Dallas Rocks? NOT!

I'll start with the good. The expo was nice. For such a large event it was pretty quick and easy to pick up your packet and get your t-shirt. There were lots of vendors giving away all kinds of free samples: yogurt, energy bars, coffee, etc. I enjoyed taking the time to walk through and see what there was. You get a cotton t-shirt and a technical finisher's shirt at this race. Both are nice, but for a $125 entry fee that should be expected. Medal was also nice. For the marathon they use the Clif Bar pacers who are the best. Areas where this race needs improvement. The corral system was one huge disaster. Either the race directors have no clue how to organize and execute this system or 75% of the runners lined up incorrectly. I was in corral D. It took me 25 minutes to cross the start line. Then for the next 8 miles I had the worst running experience of my life. It was nothing but weaving around other participants (I hesitate to refer to them as runners, as they were not running) and coming to abrupt stops, in order not to plow into someone. This went on constantly from the start of the race until the half marathoners broke away from the marathoners at mile 8. Never again! Second area in need of improvement are the water stations. Once again, this was primarily an issue in the first 8 miles. I often had to wait in line, serve myself, or go without. I don't know if it was due to the weather and volunteers not showing up but aid stations in this section of the race were not good. I wish I would have carried my own water. You have to be very careful in the first few miles of the race because of all the train/trolley tracks and the brick streets. With the combination of the rain it made for some very dangerous footing. In general, Dallas roads are not the best. In many areas you had to be on the lookout for potholes. Nearly missed getting my finisher's shirt at the finish, as they had those tables tucked away, off to the opposite side of where they were routing us all to go to meet family members. Some better signage or instructions would have been helpful guiding runners to where they needed to go. Not impressed by this race. It was my 32nd marathon and easily ranks in the bottom five.
3.0

By: T.C K.

Posted: December 05, 2011

Great experience despite the weather

OK, the weather this year is probably the worst, freezing rain/wind then entire course! With that said, the organizers put on one of the best marathon experience! The Runner's Instruction Packet was super helpful. I loved the early bag drop off the day before. Packet was a breeze, and I went Saturday afternoon. I like the fact that I can just wait indoors before the race starts, and hang out indoors after (which helped since I was cold and soaking wet!). Course support was great. Course itself is beautiful and mostly flat. I stayed at the host hotel, which has shuttle to and from the hotel for both packet pick up and the race itself. Thank you Dallas and I will be back (may be weather will be better next time)!
5.0

By: Donna P.

Posted: December 05, 2011

Great race despite horrible conditions

This was my first DWRM but I have to say it was one of the best marathons I've done so far. The temperature was perfect, in the low 40's. However, it was very overcast and began to rain around mile 2 and continued off and on throughout the entire race. Despite the weather, the crowd support was fantastic, water stops were about every mile and a half, and plenty of food at the end. The course was very nice going through downtown and many scenic areas. The organization of this race was very well put together and it all went smoothly from my perspective. I will definitely be back next year in 2012!
5.0

By: John W.

Posted: December 29, 2010

New location, better race

Loved this race! Swag and shirts are great, volunteers are amazing and rest stops are plentiful and very energetic. Expo left a little to be desired and, like everyone else, didn't like paying to park just to pick up my packet; but that has to do more with fair park than race organizers. Course is excellent! It's a perfect blend of urban, residential and lakefront running with a few get-your-attention hills - especially in the final 10K. Not sure why there are so many complaints about traffic. I left from Prosper (about 35 miles north of downtown Dallas) around ten 'til six and was parked at the fairgrounds no later than 6:45. I would recommend people research alternate routes for arrival race morning and traffic shouldn't be a problem. The indoor finisher's area was awesome but the food was so-so. Would've killed for a slice of pizza, but that's being a bit picky. Bottom line: I PR'd and had a blast doing it. Good job to all and look forward to running White Rock again!!
5.0

By: jeff v.

Posted: December 28, 2010

nice changes, but room to improve!

I liked the new course. I seldom run this race, but I have run four or more different courses. This was the best course yet, in my opinion. A very nice finish from the top of the neighborhood down Swiss to the finish. Finally a course that was as nice as Cowtown.... Now, I still have a beef with not having hot food and unlimited beer. The finisher's shirt was okay. The race shirt did little for me though... but at least it was long-sleeve cotton, my favorite choice for a race shirt! All and all, this is a perfectly fine race... just not quite a great race. I liked having the race all in one location... but I'd have preferred if that was the convention center, not Fair Park. Still, the co-location was great! Now, the accident that closed the freeway so that nobody could get to the expo, and the traffic (as the light rail does not get very far out of town) combined to dampen some people's spirits as they remember Dallas is a local runner's race. The race is getting bigger... and the traffic grows exponentially with numbers. I still like the change despite the fact that it was a pain this year. It was a good change; it just did not work out as well as planned. This is a race worth doing: good neighborhood support, nice finisher's shirt, decent expo... but what happened to the food this year? There was almost none! Well, there was fruit, some bars, maybe some bagels, but no "real" food. Not one of the better years for this race... but I loved waiting indoors for the race to start, and I loved the indoor area post finish....
5.0

By: Michael S.

Posted: December 14, 2010

Great course; State Fair Park was horrible!

First, the course was great and the volunteers were awesome! However, the State Fair Park was a horrible experience. First the traffic at the expo was a nightmare. After 45 minutes of sitting in traffic just to pay for a parking space we had to walk at least a mile before even entering the expo building. The expo was overcrowded on Saturday afternoon and the organizers required you to pick up you bib at one end and then walk through the crowd and exhibitors to the other end to get your shirt. This probably would not have been such a big deal if I hadn't already sat in traffic for so long. We were told to get to the run early, which you had to do because of the traffic; however, we then had to stand in the corrals for too long. The run was delayed 10 minutes and then each corral was delayed; some I believe started over an hour late. This is unreasonable when you're running the marathon. The finish was also disorganized. I think the marathon runners felt like an afterthought because their course merged with the half around 24 miles, at which point the marathon runners had to weave in and out of the half walkers and avoid people walking on the course at the end to leave State Fair Park. I'm not sure I'd run the race again if it's at State Fair Park.
3.0

By: Amy H.

Posted: December 12, 2010

great course, great specators, bad start

My first marathon and 2nd ever major race. 1. Parking was rough but you can't do much about that with 20K people showing up to run. If people want to complain about parking, show up 2 hours early and it won't be a problem. 2. They needed more porta-potties. You can never have too many porta-potties with so many athletes and spectators. And there were only 2 stations where I saw that I could check a bag. The lines was 30-people deep so I didn't bother. 3. They had us in lettered corrals from A-P. I was in corral "O" because I am not a fast runner, but they didn't enforce where you went. They started the corrals separately so by the time I actually STARTED my race, it was almost 9 a.m. I know it's impossible to get 20K people ready to go, but starting an hour late for the slower runners was unacceptable. 4. Weather was perfect with the wind picking up a little bit around the lake. 5. Aid stations were great. They were wearing plastic gloves, which I appreciate for sanitation reasons. Some stations handed out oranges and chunks of bagels. (Unfortunately some people I met ended up with a chunk of onion and garlic bagel. Yeesh.) 6. Spectators were encouraging, which lifted my spirits when things got really rough for me around mile 22. 7. The finisher's shirt was nice and I love my medal. 8. There was not nearly enough food at the end. I finished my marathon in a little under 6 hours and by the time I got to the food area, my options included just yogurt or oranges. The officials should consider putting aside some of the foods for the people who finish in over five hours so that they get some choices too. I may not be fast, but I worked hard and I did the same 26.2 that everyone else did. I was weak and hungry and there was very little left for me. Overall, I had an okay race experience and I would consider coming back next year.
4.0

By: Todd Kelley

Posted: December 12, 2010

Loved this race and PR'd by 10 minutes

This is my 5th marathon after running Denver, Philadelphia, New York and then Chicago on 10/10/10. I stayed at the Aloft Hotel downtown and took the train to both the expo and race and had no problems. I loved the course and thought there were plenty of downhill sections. The uphills were really not that big of a deal. I had a great time cruising around the lake with the 3:30 pace group. Who cares if there weren't spectators out there? I didn't expect it and it was great to stick with a group of runners. I ran a 3:28:27 after finishing 3:38:44 in NY last year so I was stoked at the finish line! Great volunteers and I really enjoyed the spectators and music. The many turns broke up the course nicely. I liked focusing my mind on running the tangents. It was a wonderful experience and I got my food and everything at the finish. The starting line was cool because they shot confetti and flames at the starting line. Would definitely run this again.
4.0

By: Chris G.

Posted: December 12, 2010

Good race but needs some improvements

This was my 5th consecutive White Rock marathon, and while it was still a good experience, but a big step backwards from previous years. Things I liked: the course was 90% the same - great scenery, minimal hills, good bands (way better than the R'n'R marathons I've been to). Things not to like: 1) Switching the start/finish from AA Arena to Fair Park. The reason publicized by race management was that they want to grow the race and need more parking and facilities; if so, it does no good to have more parking if the access to parking lots is backed up for miles. Increasing the numbers but not the space allocated for start corrals, and having a 30-foot wide bottleneck 600 meters into the race, makes for a crowded and dangerous start. Touting free parking on race day but charging $10 for expo parking isn't good. A cynic would say the race management wants to grow the race alright, but only in terms of revenue/profit, not in terms of making the race experience more enjoyable for non-fun run participants. That's to be expected from for-profit races but I thought White Rock was different. 2) Merging full marathon racers and half marathon walkers onto the same course the last 1.5 miles made the marathon finish unpleasant. It was actually worse than in past years when the half started an hour after the full - this year 3-hour marathoners were "sharing" the road with walkers who had gone 12 miles in 3 hours. That's OK if the walkers would pick one side or the other, but most of them were walking 2 or 3 abreast with their BFFs. It didn't help to holler "on your left/right" as most of them were babbling to each other or cranking their iPods. Really disconcerting after 24+ miles. 3) Volunteer staffing was great and they did a fine job for the most part, but next year the gear bag pickup needs to be better organized. Most other large races have multiple drop-off points/trucks, categorized by bib number or name, which makes it easy for the pick-up afterward to be arranged similarly. White Rock's crew had only 2 drop-off points so it was no wonder the bag sorting at pickup was messed up. I found my bag after looking 20 minutes and am sure others went missing for hours. Think "Horton Hears a Who." All in all, the race was OK, but it felt a lot more like an R'n'R event than previous White Rock Marathons. It seems that race organizers are embracing the "It's not a race; it's an event!" philosophy. If that increases fundraising for the Scottish Rite Hospital, that's OK; but I think next year I'll send the hospital a check and run somewhere else.
3.0

By: JJ L.

Posted: December 11, 2010

Great big-race atmosphere (a PR too)

I thought the expo was very nice, but even in the middle of the day on a Friday, the traffic was bad (when did Dallas become LA?). On race day I got a drop-off ride with a local who knew a back road but could see that ingress was a little tortured; not sure why though - with a 92,000-seat stadium on the grounds, it shouldn't be that hard. First time with a wave start. The corral assignments seemed odd. I predicted 4:10 but had to jump forward from corral "I" at least one (maybe two) to start with the 4-hour pacers. We were passing slower runners for miles. I guess that still beats the mess of a really big race starting all at once. How the assignments were made should be looked at (but it did feel great passing gobs of people at the end of my 3:56 PR). Nice course; more bands would have been good but I guess I'm spoiled in Columbus where there were 80 this year (seriously). Best for last: having the post-race inside was AWESOME even though the weather really wasn't as bad as reported. It was a long trip for me but I could be back.
4.0

By: Kendall Black

Posted: December 11, 2010

move to Fair Park was underwhelming

The move to Fair Park was supposed to ease congestion, but it may have been worse. I would suggest either riding DART or getting there early, and I do mean early. I was parked by 6:30 a.m. The corrals were the right plan, but they weren't monitored. Lots of slow runners were in the wrong corrals. Also, we had to pay $10 to park the day before to get to the expo. I wasn't happy about that. If race officials plan to increase the cap next year, remember to give yourself plenty of time to get there. Otherwise, the course is great. I will be back next year.
4.0

By: Matthew R.

Posted: December 10, 2010

Great course/fans vs. Poor organization

First and most importantly... this was a beautiful, even and fast course. The fans were great - the city really does turn out to cheer on runners. Definitely worth running. That being said... The organizers did a poor job all around. The course wasn't released in a timely manner and there was hardly any communication about it. There were not enough port-a-potties and bag check vans to accommodate all of the runners quickly on race day. After the race the bag check was a complete nightmare... you had to go look for your own bag. After 26.2 miles, bending down to search through bags is pretty hard. I really hope the organizers get their act together. I'd hate to see yet another local race be taken over by "Rock and Roll" or another large group, but a race organizer's job is to minimize the stress on runners and this time it was a failure all around.
4.0

By: Kelly R.

Posted: December 09, 2010

What a Mess!

The traffic getting to the race was shocking! I barely made the start after leaving over two hours early... and I live only 15 miles away. This was my 71st marathon and I have never seen such a mess "trying to get to a race!" The volunteers were great; there were enough water stops on a cold day, and the course was well known to me as I run most of it every Saturday. There was very little food at the end, and finding my car was a challenge... and a long walk! The half-marathoners got all of the food before I finished. I'm disappointed that Dallas, my home town, can't seem to have a marathon that is better prepared. Year after year, White Rock seems to have some type of major snafu and thus remains a third-tier marathon that never attracts runners from out-of-state. Maybe next year they will do better? However... I will not be there to see it.
3.0

By: jacob t.

Posted: December 08, 2010

merged finish combined start

This was my 6th Dallas Marathon. The starting corrals were combined for all runners. This included the halfers and relay runners, arranged by projected finish/pace. This made the start overcrowded, with too much congestion. It didn't thin out until mile 3. Around mile 24 the entire race merged so you had high-2-hour marathoners and low-3-hour folks merging with half marathoners. This was horrible. I trust next year this won't transpire. I also suggest a separate start time for the half and relay - perhaps 20-30 minutes after the full.
4.0

By: ma y.

Posted: December 08, 2010

It's a decent race

It's a pretty flat course, until you hit the hills after mile 20... then it's pretty rough. The new Fair Park venue is a bottleneck for both the expo and race-day. Also, there's a $10 parking fee for the expo. There were very few spectators in the middle of the race (around the lake). In 2010, the weather was cold and breezy (37 degrees/ 12-15 mph wind). Only the 20 elite full marathon runners started at the gun; corral A was held for a minute.
4.0

By: Alan T.

Posted: December 07, 2010

Fair Park Works

In '07, WR was my first-ever marathon. Two years and 10 marathons later, I came back and chopped almost a full hour off 2007's finish. For the uncontrollable factor, weather was almost ideal. As for the venue, I preferred Fair Park over AAC, mainly because of the larger space, plus I think the atmosphere is more festive. Parking was free until 8 a.m. on race day, and there were trams to haul you to/from the parking lot. Expo parking was $10, which bothers me, but not sure how much control the race has over that. Too bad the new DART Green Line didn't open until the day after the race, as it may have helped some people out. On to the race: as advertised, the majority of the course remains the same. One thing I noticed as being new was the staggered start, and for a race this large, it was helpful. In my opinion, adding an additional 30 seconds between waves would be even better. I haven't figured out why all of the walkers get in the early corrals. Definite improvement in the medals over '07. The long-sleeve shirt and the tech shirt were both very nice. As always, hats off to the great volunteers and fans! I counted 3 beer stops and a mai-tai stop this year. No, I did not partake. Good time was had!
5.0

By: Alex S.

Posted: December 07, 2010

What a great race

I'm somewhat of a marathon snob and I must say this is one of the best I've done. Great course: perfect mix of urban setting, neighborhoods, and scenic lakefront. Great volunteers: handing out tissues on a chilly day was a great idea. Nice swag: two great shirts, nice medal, and good expo. Obviously logistics of the start need reworking - there is no reason it should be so difficult to drive into Fair Park, a place built for big events. Otherwise, though, Fair Park is a great venue for start/finish. Having the indoor area post-race for the runners is an excellent idea. I think the race could and should be larger, with a bit more planning of the start.
4.0

By: Crystal G.

Posted: December 07, 2010

Move it back to AAC!

I just did the half marathon, but the Fair Park venue was awful! I've done the race 4 other times and this was by far the worst. There was no organization whatsoever at the start, it took too long to get over the start line, people just jumped into whatever corral they felt like, there were not enough bathrooms, etc. The course, however, was great, and the volunteers were awesome. The end of the race was also a cluster - I had to wait in line for 5-10 minutes to get into the building to get my medal and finisher's shirt. When I went through there was still some food - but nothing compared to previous years. I heard from 5-hour+ marathoners that there was NO food when they got there. That's just wrong. Move it back to AAC!
4.0

By: Srinivasa Teja Palla

Posted: December 07, 2010

The Best... Almost

Ran this before in 2008, and felt it's better this time. The organization was good. It is easy to complain about the start venue - the American Airlines Center has a different feel to it from Fair Park. The traffic jam at I-30 is very frustrating, but it's ok if you try to get there by 6:30 as the website suggested. My wife and I weren't so lucky; we got stuck in the traffic and were able to get to the start line only about 15 minutes after the gun shot. The course is perfect; we only had two encounters with the hills: at about 9, and then the Dolly Partons at around 21. Can't complain about the route. The lake is wonderful but it was too cold to enjoy the run given the low temperatures on Sunday. The breeze really hurt! The volunteers were WONDERFUL!! All stations were stocked well with water and Gatorade, though I noticed they had less food (no cookies anywhere!!) - only oranges. Crowds were ample and very, very supportive and enthusiastic. They do help more than hydration when it really matters. Nice turnout even in the cold. Thanks you, guys. Really appreciate it. Post race: Oranges, beer and yogurt are all we got. I wish they had had more variety. Overall, it is a fun experience, and I would do it again without thinking twice. Highly recommended for first-timers.
5.0

By: Jeff B.

Posted: December 07, 2010

Nice course!

I ran the Dallas White Rock Marathon for the first time on Sunday (my 11th marathon overall) and really liked the course. (It probably helps my opinion that the weather was cool and I felt great!) The road was a little too narrow for the first 1/2-mile leaving the Cotton Bowl, but they held back each corral briefly to alleviate the congestion, and the rest of it was terrific. The first few miles were in the downtown area; then the course wound its way through some beautiful neighborhoods (rolling hills) with good fan support and a lot of local bands. The Highland Park area had some unbelievable homes and was the best part of the race and had the most spectators. Miles 12 through 20 circled White Rock Lake, which was nice, albeit chilly and few fans. There were a couple of ill-timed but relatively short hills at miles 20-21; then the last 5 miles were mostly downhill back through neighborhoods and downtown. I think the last 5K were ALL downhill, which helped me negative split (1:45:15 / 1:42:45) and qualify for Boston in 3:28. The race was well-organized, had there was good fan support and plenty of fluids. Nice medal and a tech fabric finisher's shirt too. I can recommend this race without hesitation. We stayed at the Hyatt race headquarters, which made the logistics fairly painless.
4.0

By: Keith S.

Posted: December 07, 2010

Underwhelmed

Third-rate marathon at best. Organization is pretty poor compared to other equivalent-size races. I don't plan on doing this one again. Getting to Fair Park was a nightmare. Overall, a bit of a disappointment.
3.0

By: james d.

Posted: December 06, 2010

Don't agree with a few changes....

I have run this 4 times now. I do not think the new start location is better overall. It is hard to get to on race-day, and not at all user-friendly. My big upset was that I had to pay $10 to pick up my packet the day before. They charged that to park in an enormous lot (about a mile away from where you actually get your packet) to get your packet. I found the "wave start" to be a complete nightmare!!! My wave took off 34 minutes after the initial gun went off. There was a lot of standing around in the cold, not too sure what was going on between the gun and the movement of my wave. Also, once finished, the runners went into a building, but once we left, we were not allowed back in. This was odd, as I was trying to find my running partner and was worried about him. Pros: Great crowd support; wonderful city in which to run; the cops are the best; tons of water stations with really nice people helping; a lot of medical help (just in case); and tons of music.
4.0

By: Andrew R.

Posted: December 06, 2010

Nice Marathon; Nice Course.

This was by far the largest marathon I have participated in. Considering the number of participants in the 3 events (22,000), it was well organized and there seemed to be plenty of food (fruit and bars) and drinks for everyone at the end. The location of the start and finish (Fair Park) was big enough to accommodate everyone, but I can see how parking would be a pain, but this was not an issue as there was a shuttle for those staying at 1 of 2 hotels (very convenient). Aid stations were more than adequate and there were plenty of spectators handing out refreshments along the course. Very crowded at the start with all runners (marathon, half, and relay) starting together, but that should be expected. If someone doesn't like the crowd, there a many other, smaller marathons, including one in Dallas. Overall, it was a great experience (except the last 4 miles) and I would do it again. I could have done without the Nebraska loss the night before.
4.0

By: Lane G.

Posted: December 06, 2010

Good Race But Needs A Few Improvements

This was my first White Rock Marathon. I had read a few negative reviews in the past, but I entered this race with an open mind. The packet pick-up was easy and organized. The pre-race pasta dinner was excellent. Lots of food and good service. Now on to the marathon. The race started a few minutes late, which was no big deal. I'm not sure what type of organizing was used for the runner placement. Within the first mile, there were people walking - lots of people walking. Some were walking in lines that completely cut across the race course and most did not have the courtesy or the knowledge to stay to one side and make room for the actual runners. Common sense would tell you that if the runners were corralled by projected finishing times, then the walkers would be in the back. This of course was not the case and you had to bob and weave around walkers the entire race, many of whom had corral placement that was ahead of many actual runners. The race couse itself was well organized. There were plenty of refreshments at the aid stations, beautiful scenery and lots of spectators - although they were a little sparse in some areas. The finisher's medals were nice as well as the finishers shirts. The post-race party was a bit of a disappointment. There was no hot meal served after the race - only granola bars, fruit, yogurt and beer. When I asked a race staff member if they were serving hot food, I was told that they had vendors outside who were selling hot items. I was a little insulted by that response. After 26.2 miles in the cold, a little hot food would have been appreciated. The overall marathon was good. They just need to improve on runner placement in the corrals and serve better food at the end. Everything else in between was great.
4.0

By: Paula F.

Posted: December 06, 2010

Great course and support, but food stunk

Great course - varied and scenic - but jockeying around runners/walkers constantly made it a little unnerving. The water stations, fan support and creative signage really make for a welcoming race. Thanks to the many police personnel who looked after intersections. It felt like little of this race was run in traffic. The run around the lake was very, very pleasant, with lots of opportunities for port-o-johns. THUMBS DOWN to the food at the end. Granola bars, bananas, beer and oranges that required peeling after running half of the marathon in cooler weather....
4.0

By: SCOTT T.

Posted: December 06, 2010

Nice People... Poor Organization

This was my second White Rock Half Marathon, and my 12th half marathon overall. This years' race had by far the poorest organization I have ever seen at a race. The expo at State Fair was marred by impossibly-hard-to-find parking and traffic congestion. I eventually settled for off-street parking one mile away in the surrounding neighborhood, which I would describe as "sketchy" at best. The bag drop was worse, with two small trucks to accommodate 20,000 runners. People just started throwing their bags in the truck as race time approached. Afterward, it took 45 minutes for me to get my bag, as they had not even completed off-loading the bags prior to the finish of the half-marathon. As far as the race was concerned, the race started 10 minutes late and left everyone in the first corral where I was grumbling, as it was 37 degrees and everyone was becoming cold and tight. Finally, there seemed to have been a problem with the timing system. My "official" time indicated that it only took me 8 seconds to get to the starting line, but I know that after the gun went off, all of the non-elite runners were forced to wait at least an extra minute before they let us go. The course, however, was pretty good. Some fairly substantial hills from miles 6-9, but the last four miles were flat to downhill. And, as always, the people of Dallas and the volunteers are always warm and courteous. My first White Rock was in 2006 and I had no complaints... that's why I made the trip again from Wisconsin. I won't be back anytime soon.
3.0

By: Bryan B.

Posted: December 06, 2010

I'd do it again...

This was my 7th marathon, but first at White Rock. I enjoyed the course. You get to see some great houses, a scenic lake, and a lot of great views of the downtown area. The start at Fair Park was nice; we found ample parking (if you arrived early, as they recommended) and all you had to do to leave was find I-30. Water stops were ample... toward the end there were even cookies and Snickers. The volunteers couldn't have been better, and the police were very helpful. The hill towards the end was a nice kick in the pants, and it made the finish even better. I could have done without each wave getting their own start (it backed up my wave, "H," about 22 minutes) but it was probably nice for the first-timers. Kudos to Dallas; I'll be back.
5.0

By: Ben Mueller

Posted: December 06, 2010

Ok - but a few glitches

This was a pretty decent race. The course was a lot of fun with live music and great scenery. The aid stations were well stocked and organized. Bad check-in was a disaster though. Took an hour for me to get my bag after the race. Proximity of the airport, course and host hotel is also inconvenient. Other than that this was a great race and a great way for me to cross Texas off my list. Course is also pretty flat with a few rolling hills. The warm building was also nice to go into after the race. Finisher medal was nice and the overall area of Dallas, TX was fun.
3.0

By: Patty P.

Posted: December 06, 2010

Traffic & Parking Nightmare!!

It took us an hour and a half to get a normal 15 minutes from the Fair Park!!! Parking was free in three lots, but because of the time it took us to get there, we had to park in someone's yard and pay! We left in plenty of time to get there more than an hour before the start but because of the traffic situation we got there 6 minutes before gun time and had to run to find the start line. It was like OU/Texas traffic and there are over 80,000 people for that event!! The organizers need to re-work this issue for next year!!! If it had not been for the beautiful weather, the fantastic spectators, the volunteers, and the bands, I would have had a bad run. They more than made up for the traffic fiasco and I thoroughly enjoyed White Rock 2010!! White Rock Lake was absolutely gorgeous yesterday! The only other negative was the relay buses did not take off when they were full, as we were told they would. There were people sitting on a hot bus for over an hour waiting to get back to the start.
4.0

By: Scott L.

Posted: December 06, 2010

Great event getting better

This was my 5th White Rock, and while there were some logistical challenges at Fair Park, I think the race was the best yet. The community support, media coverage, etc., continues to increase and it seems like the city of Dallas is really rallying around the event. Fan support was great, the course was great, and the volunteers, as always, were tremendous. It has to be a huge challenge to coordinate 22,000 participants, and the start was tough - long waits, long lines, etc. - but given the layout of the Fair Park starting area, there wasn't much that could be done differently. It was nice to have access to the buildings so that people could stay out of the weather until start time... much improved over the AAC. Restrooms, as always, were in short supply... but still a great race and a nice, new venue.
5.0

By: Holly G.

Posted: December 06, 2010

Nice course. Start and finish could be better.

This was my first White Rock Marathon, so I can't comment on how the new course compares to the old. But, the overall course was very nice - you run through part of downtown, through some really nice areas of Dallas, and around the lake. Water stops were plentiful. Volunteers and traffic control were great. I also liked the tech "finisher" shirts given out at the finish. I've never run a marathon with a wave start before, and was unhappy with it. As a slower runner, I was forced to stand and wait in the 37-degree temperatures for 50 minutes before finally crossing the start line. The poor half-marathon leaders had a tough time running against the crowd as they ran their last couple of miles. I was also disappointed at the finish line and post-race "party." They only offered water in cups, as at a water stop. No bottled water for runners to carry around and drink as needed. The only food available comprised oranges and yogurt. (I finished in 5:40, which of course was 6:30 after the marathon start.) I would recommend this race because the course, volunteers, and spectators were great. But arrive EARLY as parking was a mess, expect to wait around before the start, and don't expect a spectacular post-race event.
4.0

By: Ellie A.

Posted: December 06, 2010

Should not have changed location

I really prefer the old course that started at American Airlines Center. Additionally, I found that the parking was actually easier when it was at the American Airlines Center. Everything was easier. Port-a-potties. The new course had a lot of long, drawn-out hills. Not my preference. At least the end seemed to be downhill.
4.0

By: Brian C.

Posted: December 06, 2010

Awesome race!

This race was awesome: great course, great fans, great medal/shirts/etc. The only drawback was getting to Fair Park in the morning, but I'll just take the train next time. The last 4 miles are all downhill and that made all the difference in the world - huge PR for me!
5.0

By: Conley B.

Posted: December 06, 2010

Great course, but organization needs work

Pros: Excellent and beautiful course. First-class spectators. Perfect weather Cons: Need signs directing runners where to go on race morning (Fair Park is a big place). Some people waited over an hour to start after the gun went off. It is time to treat this like the big race that it is. Need wave starts or multiple starting lines. Ran out of some sizes of shirts at the expo. Pitiful post-race food selection. Overall, a fun race that I would do again.
4.0

By: Rom V.

Posted: December 05, 2010

Change to Fair Park did not work out!

The corral system was a nightmare. The narrow gates exiting Fair Park were a real issue. By the time the people who did the right thing and stayed in their correct corrals in the back end got on the course, it was about an hour after the start. Given their pace, it was near impossible for them to finish within the course closing time. It was also clear that the mile markers were not accurate and NO, I AM NOT talking about GPS versus course distance. When they have the same finish line for the half and the full, it is absolutely impossible that the 13-mile marker for the half precedes the 26-mile marker for the full (given that there should be only 0.1 miles for the half but 0.2 miles for the full after their respective markers. I am really disappointed about this. The first 3 miles of the course were just horrible. It was terrible to see the 3rd place runner in the half struggling to go against the throng just starting the race and having to run on the sidewalk. Overall, this change has not worked and the race experience was not as good as last year. The volunteers remain outstanding as usual. The finish line was better than last year in terms of organization and availability of things.
3.0

By: N/A N.

Posted: December 05, 2010

Disappointed

This was my 5th White Rock Marathon, and the most disappointing one of them all! They should not have changed the location, from the American Airline Center to the Fair Park. Had a hard time getting to Fair Park in the morning and leaving Fair Park. Parking was terrible as well. It was just a mess!!! The volunteers and spectators were wonderful, as usual! This will probably be my last time to run the White Rock Marathon.
4.0

By: Jared J.

Posted: April 27, 2010

Nice event, but...

This was my fourth marathon to do in the great state of Texas. Pros: 1.) I really enjoyed the course - very scenic. 2.) The water stations were ample, especially around White Rock Lake, and stocked with orange slices. 3.) The fans were great along the course, as well as the Hooters' Girls, bands, and cheer squads. 4.) Law enforcement did an outstanding job of containing the event. 5.) Nice expo. Cons: 1.) Wave start: I was assigned wave "E" yet finished in 4:44 (with a predicted time of 4:45), ahead of one third of the finishers. Shouldn't that qualify me for at least wave "D?" What about the participants walking at mile 3 and 4 on the course? I looked at some of their bibs as I passed and noticed they had wave "B" and "C" on them. Can't help but wonder: were they dishonest about their prediction times or did the organization committee just randomly assign participants to each of the waves? I agree with other comments made here; it was way too much work to run around these people in the first six miles no matter what your pace level was. 2.) I never received a completion certificate. The website makes the following reference: "No times are recorded after 2:30 p.m. Finisher medallions and completion certificates will be awarded only to those who finish within the official time span." So do we get one or not? I emailed and called the race director's hotline several times to no avail. They don't respond. 3.) Only water, granola bars and fruit at the finish line. Oh, and beer.... Plan to go find food soon after your recovery begins. I know I had to. Overall, a nice marathon though!
4.0

By: Zackery R.

Posted: March 27, 2010

Best yet

This was the most fun of my six marathons. I do have one word of advice: when they say get there early, they mean really early. I was on the interstate less than three miles from the 8:00 a.m. start at 6:40, and by 7:15 I was two and a half miles away. People were jumping out of cars on the interstate, running to the start, and I was wondering whether after training since August I was going to miss the start. Several others and I finally took an early exit and then ran to the start 1.2 miles. Fun! But it was worth it. I loved cruising to the finish on a gentle downhill the last five miles, I saw the best crowd support I've ever seen, there were great and plentiful aid stations, and I got a P.R. even though I really ran 27.4 miles. I have to agree about dodging the runners, though, for the first six miles. I was honest about my projected time and in the "D" wave, and I saw (and dodged) many with "C" and even "B" on their bibs who must have been just too optimistic given their, ahem, physical characteristics. I also saw some plodders with "D" that must have started with the "A" wave. I still recommend this marathon to anyone.
5.0

By: Timo S.

Posted: January 19, 2010

Nice Marathon

This was my second time running the full marathon. I have a few complaints. Course was great, except the corrals and start. The first 3 miles were crazy. Too many slow people got in the front. Fans were nice. Plenty of fluids, and the workers were super. The expo was nice, but I believe they have outgrown the AA Center.
4.0

By: Tia S.

Posted: January 15, 2010

EXCELLENT MARATHON - I'll definitely be back!

This was my second time to run this marathon. It is an excellent course, very organzied. There are plenty of food/water stations. I set my PR (3:35) and was able to qualify for the Boston Marathon! I would recommend Dallas White Rock to anyone considering running in one. I walked away with a white, long-sleeve, running shirt, another white, technical, long-sleeve shirt and a "Top 100 Finisher" hat! The expo was great too. (Spent over two hours there!)
5.0

By: Cynthia M.

Posted: January 03, 2010

A must-run marathon!

This is a must-run marathon! The weather was great! The expo was very well organized. We stayed at a hotel between the expo and the race, so everything was walking distance. The course was awesome; I enjoyed running around the lake and the downtown areas. The spectators were the best I've seen. Kudos to the organization for including the names on the bibs. It really helps at mile 20 hearing cheers calling out your name. The neighborhood support with self-made water stations and candy canes from little kids can put a smile on your face no matter what kind of race you're running. I really enjoyed the Dolly Parton girls and the hills they speak of really should not be considered hills. Now the negatives: The corral system was a nightmare; it was too crowded, and I never did find anyone directing anything. I didn't see corrals. I waited with the rest of the crowds for the gun start and moved with the crowd. I never saw my pace group either. This race was considered a top race to PR at. I have to say that I disagree. With the half marathoners and the relayers, I have to say that I was constantly dodging back and forth trying to get around walkers for the first 6 miles and again at every relay exchange. It just wore me out, physically and mentally. Finally, I just relaxed and just enjoyed the course. I recommend to PR at a smaller or more organized race. The finish was very crowded, with no direction given for anything. All I wanted was water. You have to have that at the finish - not a block away at the party tent. Overall I definitely recommend this race, and I have to say that the positives were better than the negatives. The best of all was the law enforcement, They did the best job I have ever seen, and even six hours or so after the start I saw them waiting for the stragglers (after the time limit). Very impressive, Dallas!!
4.0

By: Amy Alford

Posted: December 28, 2009

Thanks, Dallas! Awesome marathon!

This was my first time running the White Rock Marathon. I haven't run such a big marathon since 2004, and I was pretty impressed with the organization of it. The expo was pretty expansive, with lots of organizations there to see. Got my packet and shirt pretty quickly. :) I LOVED the lettered corral start at the beginning! For a marathon this populated, it was nice to not feel like you were being kicked and elbowed every five minutes. It felt more spread out than someplace like Chicago. The course was really fun! It was flat with just enough hills to keep it interesting. Some VERY beautiful houses in Dallas! Dallas, overall, is a very beautiful city! Coming from less-than-scenic Kansas, I get excited about stuff like that. Overall, a pretty exciting marathon! Thank you to the 3:40 pacer guy for helping me to qualify for Boston along the way! I would definitely do this one again. :)
5.0

By: Paul W.

Posted: December 27, 2009

An Excellent Race

This was my first time running the Dallas White Rock Marathon, and I enjoyed it. The event was well-organized, and the weather was perfect. The AA Arena is an excellent locale for hosting the event. The expo was also very good. The course is relatively flat, and offers the opportunity for a good finishing time. My suggestions for improvement: the post-race food area was a little tight considering the number of runners, and the huge number of half marathoners would benefit from a separate starting chute and start time. Overall I liked the race and would run it again.
4.0

By: Joelle M.

Posted: December 23, 2009

Way too crowded!

The last time I ran this race with in 2002. I ran again this year hoping for a PR and I did accomplish it. I am shocked that I did because I had to work HARD during the first 6 miles until the split. Why don't organizers cater to the full marathoners anymore? Why can't the half marathoners start later? I just don't understand why those of us that are working so hard have to work even harder dealing with the half marathoners. And, the corral system was a joke! Why was I in C? I finished the race with A and B runners. And, please... why wasn't "finisher" written on the shirt??? Waste of my money! I will not be returning.
4.0

By: Jennifer E.

Posted: December 20, 2009

Loved this race!

Pros: 1) Nice expo:  many vendors with some good sale prices, tables advertising other races, and good product samples. 2) Race bib  super nice touch to add each runners name to their bibs. It allowed spectators along the course to cheer for you by name... just the thing to give you a boost when you need it. 3) Course: Relatively flat with small inclines in the first half, but the last 6 miles were all downhill. Roads were closed to traffic and the course marshals and police officers did a really nice job. 4) Wave start with 20,000 runners; it was a great idea to add the wave start. I started in Corral B and it took a few minutes to cross the starting line, but it cleared out fairly quickly and the volume of runners was not an issue at all. 5) Crowd support: Great crowd support all along the course, even through the quiet residential areas. Many spectators created their own aid stations and provided oranges, bananas, water and even beer if you were up for it. There were some great homemade signs, including this one somewhere around Mile 18: "You paid to do this to yourself." You had to laugh. 6) Aid Stations/Volunteers:  the aid stations were large and well staffed. The volunteers were fantastic and cheered for you by name as you ran through. 7) Finisher photo and technical shirt: right after crossing the finish line, volunteers took your picture in front of a White Rock Marathon backdrop so that you could purchase it as a souvenir. The technical running shirt was also a nice gift at the end. Overall this was a great race. Dallas did a nice job managing the volume of runners, the community clearly supports the race and is very encouraging to all the runners, and the race organizers added some nice touches to make this a special race. It's also nice that the race is a benefit for the Texas Scottish Rite Hospital for Children. Its a pretty fast and forgiving course and I'd recommend this race to anyone. This was by far my favorite marathon.
4.0

By: Dan S.

Posted: December 19, 2009

Worth running once, but needs work.

DWR had ups and downs. The expo was a highlight, so kudos there. The technical difficulty of the course was nice. Not too flat; not too rolling. The course would have received 5 stars, but having horses out in front of a crowded run meant you had to dodge road apples in the first mile... not easy when 20K people are trying to fit on the street. Add in the pothole risk in the 5-9 mile range and there was to much injury potential. The lake miles were very peaceful. The aid stations were spaced well. The organization only gets 2 stars due to the attempt at corral management. If this had been executed better, it may have boosted this score. There were entirely too many walkers and slower runners at the front of the race. I want everyone to enjoy the event, but it's tough when you feel like you're having to shove your way forward. Better corral discipline is a must if DWR is ever going to succeed. The aid stations although placed well, were confusing. The publications said it would be water, then Gatorade. Some stations did this, but others had the opposite order. Tough to stay on a fluid consumption plan when you get a surprise every station. Thanks for the porta-johns on the course... plentiful. Could use a lot more restroom support in the start area though. The finish was abominable. No water. No directions on where to go to get food. No massage stations. I can't get past the concept of making the finishers walk down arena stairs to get to the beer/water distribution spots. Brilliant. No food on the arena floor area... back up the stairs you go. The finish area earns a "1." As far as spectator support, mahalo to those who came out. Your enthusiasm was appreciated. The Dolly Parton Hills "gals" and the various aid stations crowds were energetic and involved. However, between aid stations in many of the neighborhoods it felt like there was nobody watching. A special thanks goes to the police officers and cadets that supported the race with traffic control. Well done, all, and thanks for the encouragement. Y'all were a "5." I'm glad I ran DWR. I won't be going back though.
3.0

By: Jeff L.

Posted: December 18, 2009

Great, but with growing pains

While I agree that the corral system is a great idea in theory, it just doesn't work well in practice. I saw folks with an "A" corral bib who were walking within the first mile. But slow runners/walkers starting too near the front is a problem all races have, and you really can't blame the organizers for that. If someone puts on their entry that the hope to run 8-minute miles... You can blame the organizers for the lack of water at the finish until you entered the food area and stood in line. There should be water bottles at the finish line, before entering the food area. But overall, I really enjoyed the race: Great course, great volunteers, great weather. I've run the full and the half, and enjoyed them both.
4.0

By: Medicated Coconut

Posted: December 17, 2009

RacePhoto is crazy expensive

The race was fine. Crowds were great. Relay runners made it less enjoyable. Really packed for the first 4 miles. RacePhoto prices are almost $100 for digital images. The cheapest thing is $20 - for a single print. That is just crazy. Please use somebody else and maybe I'll buy a pic. Otherwise I'll simply "Print Screen" and "Paste" into MS Paint.
4.0

By: Joe S.

Posted: December 17, 2009

Great course; organization could use some work

First, the good part  the course is great. Just the right combination of hills and flats. Seriously, it may not be as flat as Chicago or as historic as Boston, but I think I prefer it to both (and I've run them). The loop around the lake really gives you the feel of a smaller, more intimate marathon, but then the big-city start and finish are great. (I'm a sub-3:00 guy; mid-pack runners might have a different experience.) Now, the bad news. The corral system needs work. Personally, I'd start the marathon a half-hour earlier, followed by the relays, followed by the half-marathon. You could also institute some sort of wave seeding policy like in Chicago. It doesn't need to be as comprehensive - maybe just sub-3:00, sub-3:30, and sub-4:00, along with the corresponding half marathon times. In any event, the way it currently is kind of sucks. I was dodging through a sea of humanity during the first mile  - easily 1,000 runners - and fewer than 100 in all of the races combined ran a faster pace than I did. I'm also not sure I wouldn't bump the start up to 7:00 or 7:30. The weather was great this year, but that's not a guarantee in Texas in December. The post-race party also could stand to be tweaked. After my marathon, the last thing I wanted to do was fight the 2:00+ half marathoners for food and drinks. I gave up and just went home. If you're going to have separate finishes for the half marathon and the full (and thanks for that!), there's no reason that you couldn't let marathoners have at least some sort of food/drink station prior to the party tent.
4.0

By: Paul F.

Posted: December 16, 2009

Great course; spectators, hit; organization a miss

This was the third time I've run White Rock. With each marathon, some things improve and some things worsen. The expo was very nice. This marathon is run on a beautiful course with great spectators, volunteers and bands along the route. Special thanks to police officers on traffic control. They were cheering us enthusiastically throughout the marathon. Some of the streets were very rough though. Major complaints: Start was very crowded. I think the wave start made it much better this year. Anyway, the start is still much too crowded - so much so that I will not run it again until they address this issue. Maybe separate starts for the half, relay, and full would help with the congestion on the narrow downtown streets. My other major complaint was the finish area. No water at the finish!!! We got our medals and shirts immediately coming out of the chutes, but had to walk a block through a packed crowd to get to the finisher's area. Crowd control was horrible through here. Get the water closer at the finish and keep the crowds away from the route for the finish chutes to the finish area! Probably a bit harsh, with my "2" rating for organization, but the start and finish issues need to be addressed.
4.0

By: Mark U.

Posted: December 16, 2009

Good Marathon!

Ran the Dallas White Rock for the first time - and loved it! I very much enjoyed the diversity between the urban landcapes downtown, and the natural beauty of the White Rock Lake. While the hills were a bit of a challenge - especially the two "Dolly Partons" between miles 20-21 - they were conquerable and added to the course. I thought the logistics of the race were good, and really appreciate the corral system (I was in the "A" Corral, starting about two-thirds of the way back, and while there were plenty of walkers in front of me, it was relatively easy to negotiate. I appreciated the presence of the pacing groups (I ran with the 3:20 group), and while I wasn't able to hold onto them past the "Dolly Partons," I took advantage of the downhill thereafter and managed a 3-minute P.R.! Only minor minus is the understandable lack of strong crowd support around White Rock Lake - but considering the beauty of the course at that point, I'd keep the course as it is! Good marathon!
4.0

By: Jack M.

Posted: December 15, 2009

Not bad but could be better.

The spectators are wonderful in Dallas. They weren't just blindly cheering, which would have been okay too. The Dallas spectators would read the names on the bibs and yell out their names, encouraging the runners on. I can't tell you how many times I heard my name being yelled from the crowd. As a runner, it was greatly appreciated. This marathon could be great with a few much-needed tweaks. The first six miles were way too crowded. I saw two runners take a fall because of this. They need more running lanes or more separation between the corrals at the start. More port-a-potties. I saw a lot of dudes taking a whiz in the bushes and in the lake. Hope that lake doesn't supply drinking water. The food was a joke: Plain bagels, a granola bar, water and plenty of beer. I loved having a cold beer, but a few more food choices would have been nice. Any day I get to run a marathon is a good day. The DWR Marathon was fun, but it could be much better.
4.0

By: Chuck M.

Posted: December 15, 2009

Too crowded

Traffic and parking were horrible. We were two miles from the start at 6:45 and still a mile away at 7:15, so we found a parking lot and walked the last mile. The streets were much too crowded in the race as well. I didn't have room to run until after the half/full split. I wasted a lot of energy going side-to-side instead of forward. There must have been a lot of slow runners at the front because I passed hundreds in the first three miles and I was holding back. Post-race refreshments were hard to find and skimpy. Nobody directed us to medals, finishers' shirts, or refreshments. On the plus side, the expo was above average, the spectators were great, and the downhill finish was nice.
3.0

By: Ken C.

Posted: December 15, 2009

Not for Marathoners

If you are interested in running a full marathon, avoid this race. I was assigned the A corral since my plan was to run sub-8's. The corrals were a mess! I had several people in front of me in the A corral who started to walk after a half-mile. I lost the pace leader because he darted through so many people. I never did see him again. I will say that the full course was stocked with plenty of volunteers. This race could be a great race, but the organizers need to figure out the start.
3.0

By: Daryl Anderson

Posted: December 15, 2009

A course that allows you to enjoy your run

I don't know if organizer are getting smarter in the way they design marathon courses, but this course is a must-run course. No, no, no. YOU NEED TO RUN THIS COURSE! Do I need to say this again? This is a well organized course that has plenty of supportive fans. Dallas has done a wonderful job of making their marathon a successful one. I will be running this race again.
5.0

By: Tracy V.

Posted: December 14, 2009

Good and not so good

The start was awful. It was a narrow road to have 20,000 people - who were running 3 different races, no less (marathon, half marathon and the relay all in one start)! It took me 3 minutes to pass over the mat, and even with chip time, I stalled my first 2 miles by a few minutes as well.) The aid stations were great, though, and plentiful - as were port-a-johns, if you needed them. The course was ok, and the gentle rolling hills were good too, but the finish was... meh. Hardly any spectators in the last couple of miles, and then NO WATER AT THE FINISH!! And then when you finally weaved through the crowds, the water was in little cups. Seriously, water NEEDS to be at the finish line regardless of how hot or cold it is out there. I won't complain that the "finisher's shirt" doesn't even get the word "finisher" on it because it was a nice gesture even to give us a second shirt, but someone else might.
3.0

By: christopher r.

Posted: December 14, 2009

label it a half marathon

It sucks that a marathon doesn't have enough water due to the half marathoners taking all of it at the first few water stops. The marathoners pay more and have to go farther; the need those fluid stops at the beginning. This is my 10th White Rock. Every year they cater less to the marathoner. It's all about the money, even if it is for a good cause.
3.0

By: Andy H.

Posted: December 14, 2009

Excellent Running Event

I would like to say that the Dallas White Rock Marathon was an awesome experience. I had tempered expectations prior to the event due to some of the negative comments posted by other users of this site. The race was well organized and the course support was the best I have seen yet. There were more than enough aid stations - some even offered orange slices and pretzels in addition to water and Gatorade. At some point, I even said to the others running with me, "Already another aid station?" The course was beautiful, the weather was perfect, and the spectators were unbelievable (only rivaled by OKC, in my opinion). Contrary to other comments, there were plenty of medals and finisher's shirts for marathoners and half-marathoners. Also, the finisher's shirts were really nice, New Balance, technical running shirts. There was also plenty of food and water at the finish. However, to be honest, the selection of food left a bit to be desired. They only had bagels, granola bars, and fruit. But that is the only negative thing I can say about it, and it is nit-picky at best. Kudos to the organizers and volunteers of the Dallas White Rock Marathon. They definitely know what they are doing. My wife and I have added this event to our annual racing calendar and look forward to it again next year. Thanks for a great experience.
5.0

By: Scot S.

Posted: December 14, 2009

not worth repeating

All I can compliment are the frequent, well-staffed water/Gatorade stops. Everything else was mediocre at best. The medal is ugly. The course is boring, and too crowded at the beginning by the halfers (and then later by the relayers). I heard (but did not try it myself) that the post-race food/drink was overcrowded.
3.0

By: Eliseo R.

Posted: December 14, 2009

My First Marathon - A Great Experience

The 2009 Dallas White Rock was my first marathon. I read the comments on here and corresponded with race officials before the race to see if some of the problems had been fixed. I have to say, it went pretty well for me. The course is fantastic and the crowds and volunteers were all great. Absolutely no complaints about any of that. The weather was perfect too. Really, the organization was pretty good and much better than I expected after reading the comments from year's past. They could use more bathroom facilities at the start (a lot more) and they could better organize the waves at the start, but really it went off very well. I was pointed to the food and water area after the race and also braved the steps down the arena for beer. There seemed to be plenty of everything. I was disappointed that my finisher shirt was just a plain, albeit technical, shirt with nothing noting that I was a finisher.
5.0

By: Steve H.

Posted: December 14, 2009

Corral system is the worst I have ever seen.

Great course, expo, aid stations, and weather. The best thing is the full-strength Gatorade. The Dallas Police Department provided their usual excellent traffic control, and most importantly they cheer for the runners. The shirts were really lame, but I stopped expecting decent shirts from races a long time ago. The finisher's shirt is just a tech shirt, and it doesn't mention "finisher" on it anywhere. The finisher's medal is nice. The start was once again a mess. They were supposed assign slower runners to their correct corrals. Corral placement was not enforced and they had hundreds of relay runners in the first corral who couldn't even run a 10-minute-per-mile pace. DWR will remain a third class race if they can't get this fixed. This was my 8th DWR and I can't believe they can't get this right.
4.0

By: Mandy H.

Posted: December 14, 2009

Tough course but enjoyed the marathon

I really liked the marathon; this was my first time to run this one. The course was challenging, but it wasn't boring... there were quite a few spectators out, especially in the neighborhoods and in the downtown area. My only real problem was with the pace groups. I had planned to hang with the 3:40 pacer and then move up gradually closer to 3:30. I had been set to run in wave B, and I saw there was no 3:30 pace group in wave B. So, I started with the 3:40 guy and I was a bit disappointed in the way he paced because he was running way too fast for a 3:40. When I had politely told him that we were averaging an 8:09 at mile 3, he responded in a very rude manner. I was more concerned for the folks that had run with him who had trained to run 8:20's to get a 3:40 (particularly the women who wanted to qualify for Boston), and they didn't train to run sub-8's during the first 3 miles of a marathon. Also, this 3:40 guy should have been placed to the front of Wave B, so he wouldn't have felt the need to have to "bank" time, which just does not work. After I left that group and went ahead, I was able to settle into a more even pace for most of the rest of the run. Another thing I wanted to comment on is something that I thought was really touching and really impressed me. Just before I reached Mile 11, I had passed this woman on one of those prosthetic running feet pushing a disabled child in a wheelchair. I was surprised that more people that were passing by the same time as I did weren't cheering her on. I waved at the kid and got a smile and told her she was doing awesome and resumed my run. I really am inspired by people who do stuff like that because it shows people that the "impossible" can be achieved, regardless of your limitations. I hope that lady and the kiddo with her had an enjoyable marathon experience. Also, I don't know where to write this, but I just wanted to say, "THANKS" to all of the police officers who worked the marathon. There was a lot of traffic on the intersections that weren't closed off and they did an awesome job to keep the course safe. The organization of the water stops was great; the cups were clearly different for Gatorade and for water, and that made it pretty easy to navigate through the water stops. I also couldn't find the food at the finish... I think there was some, but I didn't bother looking since I had food back at the hotel. I plan on coming back to run another one of these marathons. Thank you.
5.0

By: Nancy P.

Posted: December 14, 2009

Well organized race - top rate

What a great, well organized marathon. It has a nice expo; plentiful, well stocked, enthusiastic water stations; friendly local support; and perfect weather. Would definitely recommend it to all.
5.0

By: Rachel W.

Posted: December 13, 2009

Good if you finish fast!

I am a leisurely-paced marathoner. I ran the White Rock Marathon and enjoyed the race, but I must say that after five hours on the course, I was very disappointed to see that the slower runners were treated like second-class citizens and there was NO FOOD left - seriously, NONE. That was really disappointing. If the finish line is going to be open for six and a half hours, then they need to treat everyone who finishes that marathon like a FINISHER - not just those who finish fast.
4.0

By: Clark C.

Posted: June 26, 2009

Excellent course and spectators... bad weather

This was my first marathon and I loved it. The weather was way less than ideal with temps around 80 or so at the finish with high humidity throughout. It was one of those weather patterns that produce 80+ degrees one day and 28-degree mornings the next day. However, the blustery headwinds around the second half of the lake did me in more than the temps. I missed my goal time by 29 minutes because my hamstrings cramped up after running into the wind for so long. The start was pure adrenaline. I laughed my tail off at all of the people peeing next to the road around mile 2, especially the poor women. Spectators throughout were wonderful. It's a pure rush entering downtown around mile 24 or so. they really carried me home at a time when I was really crashing. Yes, the finish is chaos. And apparently, they've never had food left over for people finishing over 4 hours. There have been gripes for years on this website about that and the race director hasn't changed anything. I think it suffices to say that he never will. And oh yeah, I never got my finisher's certificate. If you plan to finish in less than 4:30, I think you'll find this race to be one of your best. If not, I guess it could go either way. But really, who runs a race for what happens AFTER the finish? Having said all of that, I will be running this race again this December.
4.0

By: michelle p.

Posted: April 08, 2009

bad finish

Great water stops and overall a good course - other than the really windy day we ran on. Others in years past have commented on the bad finish line area and I have to agree. I finished in 5:45. When I crossed the finish line, there were not a lot of people around. I had to ask for my medal, and the only t-shirts left were extra small. There worst part: THERE WAS NO FOOD OR WATER LEFT when I got there. I'm glad that I had water in the car. Most vendors that where left were packing up. The finish was a big disappointment. :-( I read other posts about this in the past, but did not think that it would happen to me. The only plus was that the AA Center is open before and after the race, with real bathrooms and a place to stay warm before the run.
3.0

By: katey c.

Posted: March 15, 2009

loved it

I ran this race in '08 and absolutely loved it. It was my first marathon and the best so far. It was such a wonderful experience and I am ready to do it again!!
5.0

By: Amy G.

Posted: February 04, 2009

Horrible organization

It is a shame that the organization for this race is so bad because it could be so great! The course is perfect. The spectators are wonderful and loud. But you can't get to the start line because of the people; there are not enough port-a-potties at the start; there are not enough direction to the start; and EVERYONE starting together. How can you start a marathon, relay, 10K, and half marathon all together? I appreciated the music and exciting start ceremony, but the sheer number of people and lack of direction was crazy. As for the finish... where to begin? I ran slowly (5.25 hours) because I was running with a friend in her first race. The course was advertised to be open for 6.5 hours. We got to the finish, received our medals and were told there was no water or food left! At the finish line or the after party!! I didn't even know I was to receive a shirt. I just wanted something to drink! When I sent a nice email explaining the situation, I was told that they had spoken with the volunteers, and, "Yes, there was food and drink left at that time; you must be mistaken." I did not appreciate that. I want to like this race because it is my home, but I don't think I can try it again unless something major is changed.
3.0

By: Joe J.

Posted: February 04, 2009

Organizers can't handle race growth

This race gets bigger every year, but the race organizers are completely clueless on how to handle it. The start and finish were marred by total chaos. The corral system was not enforced and people lined up WAY ahead of where they should have been. In addition, there were entirely too many people in too small of a space. It made the early miles impossible to run at your pace. Likewise, the finish line was a nightmare. If you were even able to find the post-race party, you got to walk down several flights of steps (OUCH! after 26.2 miles!) to be told they were out of everything. In between the start and finish, the course was good. Volunteers were plentiful and enthusiastic, and the course has the potential to be a fast one. The weather in '08 was TERRIBLE! Hot and windy. The organizers can't help that, but be warned that the weather in Texas is COMPLETELY unpredictable and anything could happen on race day. On the whole, a great course, and great volunteers, but clueless organizers who have allowed the race to become bigger than what they can handle. Perhaps they should further limit the field size to ensure a good experience for all. I know, I know, bigger is better, quantity ($$$) is king, and quality be forgotten. The race organizers have become victims of their own success in that they put on a good race, it got too big, and they can't deal with it.
3.0

By: Vincent Nalupta

Posted: January 13, 2009

Great First Marathon!!!

This was my first marathon and it was one of the best experiences of my life. Crossing the start line with confetti and inspiring music was an incredible feeling. I visit Dallas often (my fiance is originally from there) and I always say the friendliest people in the country are from there. This race was no exception, as the city and the volunteers really came out in full force. Yes the wind was tough, and I got hurt around mile 18, but I walked on through to the end with every volunteer cheering me on, and even some of the racers. About the shirts: I also finished really slowly and missed all of the post-race party and finisher's shirts because of the injury. So I immediately sent a somewhat angry email from my phone to the race director. Amazingly, she's been personally handling my request and I am on the list to get a new shirt. On race day, the volunteers messed up and mistakenly gave finisher shirts to relay'ers, so they ran out. Now they have to re-order from New Balance and silk screen them again from scratch. When that happens, they will send me a brand new one. To me, service like that for a race with tens of thousands of runners is pretty remarkable. All in all, a great experience and I hope to come back again (and finish in a decent time).
5.0

By: Donald P.

Posted: January 11, 2009

Where's my shirt?

I signed up for the marathon with my shirt size included. When I finished (yes, it took this walker about 5 hours to finish this "walker friendly" marathon), no shirts my size were available. It's simple. I gave my size when signing up. I finished before the course closed. I'm still holding out for what's due me. Subsequent emails have been ignored. Otherwise, only compliments.
3.0

By: Tanya T.

Posted: January 02, 2009

Wonderful volunteers, aid stations, & music

This was my first marathon. I thought the expo was good. I went early, so there were no crowds, and I got two shirts! No lines. Marathon Pros: 1. Good crowd support. 2. VOLUNTEERS were wonderful - even to those of us on the course a long time. 3. Aid stations had plenty of water and Gatorade - even at the end. I can't say enough nice things about the volunteers, course guides, and policemen. 4. The Hyatt's service was great!! Cons: 1. Pre-race organization was ok - even bag-drop was good (but I was early, so there were no lines). Still, it was crowded - why not have the half-marathoners start later to avoid the crowding? 2. For those of us on the course for a LONG time (and don't count us out - we paid our fee and will eventually get faster), there was little support at the finish line. 3. I did get a medal and a sweet volunteer put it around my tired neck, but there was no food or shirt.... 4. No excuse for not having the right number of finisher shirts; the math is easy - just order the same number of shirts as you do medals. 5. No food or any nutrition at the end. 6. No shuttles for the ones that finished after 6 hours (and we were the ones that needed it). I have participated in local races and tri's that provide better race packets. I am not complaining - I know the profits go for a good cause - but these little things keep the participants coming and spending.
4.0

By: Kendall Black

Posted: January 01, 2009

It's getting too crowded

I have run this marathon every year for the past 11 years. It gets more crowded every year and nothing is done about it. Traffic tie-ups are the first problem that needs to be addressed. I sat in traffic for over and hour and barely made it to the start line. The start line itself is the second problem. There was no corral system. I spent the first 3 miles dodging very slow runners and walkers. It was frustrating. There are many other marathons that implement and enforce a corral system with good results. If the White Rock organizers could address these two problems, this marathon would be top-notch.
4.0

By: Kevin O.

Posted: December 26, 2008

Wind and heat.

This was my second marathon. Just a couple of thoughts from a SLOW marathoner: It was really windy, especially around the lake. It was hot, especially when I finished (5.5 hours after the start). The volunteers and crowd were fantastic. Apparently, the post-race party and finisher's shirts are only for those who finish quickly!
4.0

By: Eric P.

Posted: December 26, 2008

Good race, but needs to fix the start logistics

Overall this was a good race - nice course, excellent crowd support, variable terrain without being too hilly. Getting two shirts - a long-sleeve cotton T-shirt and a long-sleeve tech tee at the finish - exceeded my expectations. The aid stations and crowds seemed to be consistent and enthusiastic. As lots of people have said, the organization of the start corrals was a nightmare. I spent the first 3 miles dancing around people who had no business being that close to the start. I tried to line up 15 minutes prior to the start, but it was impossible to even get up to my pace group because of the crowd and fences. A marathon of this size (especially with the 1/2 starting together) should have a much more organized start. Not acceptable.
4.0

By: Mike K.

Posted: December 26, 2008

Great race - tough conditions

The fans were very, very enthusiastic. There seemed to be a water/fluid station every mile or so. This was very helpful on a warm day. The corral system didn't work at all and I agree with the other postings that the half, 10K and 5K racers should start at different times. I think this is what they did last year. The course has a few hills - mile 19-20 starts the Dolly Parton hills and these can be a challenge in the wind. Otherwise, it is a good run through neighborhoods and around White Rock Lake. Bottom line: this is a great race and I look forward to racing in it next year.
5.0

By: Dave M.

Posted: December 24, 2008

3rd White Rock

I just want to say thanks to all of those who volunteered, and to the spectators for coming out and cheering us on. It gave the race a much greater atmosphere! So, thank you again!
5.0

By: Wallace R.

Posted: December 23, 2008

Poor planning mars a fun race

I'd run the half marathon in 2007 and was looking forward to this year; unfortunately the race did not live up to expectations. The pre-race expo was excellent; great speakers and plenty of room to wander around checking out the exhibitors booths. The main problems were with pre- and post-race logistics. Last year, the half-marathon started an hour after the marathon, so the conditions were not too bad. This year there were 15,000 people jammed into a narrow street with barricades on both sides - perfect conditions for people to be trampled. The corral system was a good idea but not implemented very well, and some signs showing where people should line up would be helpful. The Austin Marathon, for example, has signs up on the street with projected race times to help people get an idea of where they might line up. This is something the race director should consider for next year. Race conditions were far from ideal - too hot and far too windy - but the pleasant temperatures for spectators meant there was nice crowd support throughout the course. Nice change from last year when it was 37 degrees and wet, and the course was almost deserted in places. Finally, the post-race situation was chaos for runners. Spectators everywhere keeping runners from getting out of the finish area easily; had to push my way through a huge mass of people yammering to someone on their cell phones just to get to the bag-drop area - completely ridiculous. There is NO REASON for spectators to be allowed into that area. As for the post-race food, it was terrible. And why would you tell runners there will be a post-race party in the American Airlines Center, and then allow the party to run out of water and beer? There were marathoners making their way into the center through huge crowds (again!), down a long set of steps to the party, only to be told that the beverages were all gone. If the RD was looking for a way to torture people who'd just run 26.2 miles, he really found it.
3.0

By: Ken O.

Posted: December 20, 2008

Excellent event - just a few things to fix

Great expo. Absolutely first rate. I saw Rogers, Beardsley, and Yasso all in one afternoon. WOW!!! Support along the race was also nearly perfect. Great job, and a big "thank you" to the volunteers. This is an outstanding race. The course is excellent, especially early on, as we had a nice tour through beautiful residential areas. Also loved the lake. Yes, it was windy, but there is nothing you can do about that. However, you can control the corrals at the beginning of the race. This is much too big of a race for the amount of room allocated. The fences with narrow openings created a dangerous situation; in fact, I saw a number of people climbing over the chain link fence moments before the beginning of the race. This is a really bad situation and needs to be addressed before someone gets hurt. The post-race is also tight and about the worst I have ever seen. Could not find any food and just small paper cups of water. Very, very crowded and tough to find your family. Again, why so constrained? Take a look at the finish of Disney or Philly for better options. If the organizers can fix these few items, they can consider their marathon among the best in the US.
4.0

By: Caroline C.

Posted: December 19, 2008

Great!

This was my first marathon and it was really exciting! Great spectator turn out, awesome medal and and impressive band line-up during the race! First off, miles 1-5: A little hilly, but not too bad. F-18s flew over after the national anthem... awesome! Great crowd at the start line and tons of excitement. Very organized and lots of race volunteers. Plenty of water stops, and they always had enough water and Gatorade. A little more food would have been nice... but I had plenty of GU on me. The crowds were great the whole way during the course. In some neighborhoods, people were handing out beer on their own. There were also a ton of bands... pretty much at every mile. Everyone was very friendly and supportive. It was cool that they called out names when they saw them on our personalized bibs. Miles 6-9 started getting close to White Rock Lake. It was beautiful. Gorgeous houses and the lake was beautiful. Miles 9-18: It started getting VERY windy around the lake - 40 mph gusts!!! My only complaint: at one point we were by a busy street, and the only thing separating us from traffic were orange cones. That's VERY DANGEROUS and poor planning... but other than that, it was a safe course. Miles 18-26: Still good crowds... and big party/beer at mile 19! When I crossed that finish line at mile 26.2, there were still tons of crowds - even with me finishing in 6 hours and 13 minutes. (Hey, it was my first marathon.) I cried when they put that medal around my neck. AWESOME MEDAL!! All around, an amazing experience. I will be back!!!!
4.0

By: Kyle C.

Posted: December 18, 2008

A race worth coming back for.

Although the weather didn't cooperate, the course and the aid stations alone make this one I will come back for. The corrals and subsequent pacers could be a little more organized, but once out of the chute, the scenery and adrenaline take over. The military jets at the start were a good touch. The expo was the best I've seen. Don't let the weather scare you. This is worth the trip.
5.0

By: liz r.

Posted: December 17, 2008

Please be cooler next year

This is such a great marathon: Not too big, not too small, not too flat, not too hilly. Enthusiastic volunteers throughout. Why did the weather have to be so bad? It usually is perfect! Highlights: The expo has an area for kids; runners can wait inside the nice warm AA Center until the gun; there is indoor plumbing in the AA Center; a man on horseback starts race; you get a tour of pretty mansions; you get a tour of pretty regular houses; you get a tour of the lake; mile 19 has music and Hooters girls; and mile 20 has transvestite Dolly Partons. Lowlights: The weather this year. There was supposed to be a new wave start, but I don't think any of us figured it out.
5.0

By: Hermenegildo N.

Posted: December 17, 2008

Terrible weather but great organization

I am not sure why this marathon is not organized when weather is better in Dallas. Organization was excellent. Spectators were very supportive. Volunteers were terrific. I plan to run it again next year. Just three complaints: Traffic cones were in the middle of the street and you cannot see them with so many runners around. I almost felt twice. Too dangerous. Some of the streets have bad asphalt. Too many holes. This is not a problem of the organizers, but the city should do something. Cars were parked along the running course. The city should do something as well. Also, the relay should be eliminated.
5.0

By: Lowell K.

Posted: December 17, 2008

Guts dealing with Gusts

Positives: Excellent course through some beautiful neighborhoods, good spectators/crowd support. Enjoyed the Hooters aid station. The men in drag at the Dolly Partons gave me a good laugh. Frank Shorter did the TV commentary, and Bill Rodgers ran the half (although I couldn't find his official result). I used my DVR to tape the race and really enjoyed watching it once I got home. There was minimal crowding/weaving at the front coming out of corral A. Free, CoolMax finisher's shirt. Hats were given to the top 100 finishers (I didn't get one, but it's a great touch and motivates me for next year). Negatives: Somehow it took 30 minutes of waiting in line to get a t-shirt at the expo after only taking about 3 minutes to get my bib number. Anyhow I'd love to give participants the option to skip the expo and pick up bib/packet at a local running store. Expos are rarely a positive experience. Some of the side streets downtown weren't blocked off and cars entered the course. Difficult to find water/food at finish line. I was exhausted and took a place on the curb when I couldn't find aid immediately. My family was stuck in traffic trying to get downtown. When I stood up I couldn't imagine standing around looking so I just got in my car and left. Comments on 2008: It was a difficult race due to the wind 30 mile/hour gusts out of the south, which affected runners right at the start of the second half. Even the elite times were off by 7 minutes from previous years. I was glad the half and full had different finishes. I didn't find the relay disturbing at all. I believe I could have run about 10-15 minutes faster if the conditions had been better; it's always a gamble and this year we were just unfortunate.
4.0

By: stig p.

Posted: December 17, 2008

A very good marathon!!

Very nice expo, as most would expect from a race this size. As all know already, the weather was suboptimal to say the least. The course was for the most part very nice and scenic. Beautiful neighborhoods and lake area. The only reason I didn't give the course 5 stars was that there were a significant number of streets with very uneven running surfaces including the old trolley tracks in downtown Dallas. I actually twisted my foot/ankle stepping on one of them (nobody's fault but my own!). However, it seemed like we followed the trolley tracks for quite a while. Would it be possible to go through Dallas on a slightly different route with fewer tracks?? This is a minor point, however, and overall the course was very nice, I must admit!! Fans were good and always appreciated. The course support I thought was excellent - some of the best I experienced. There were an abundance of water stations and the volunteers at them did superb!!! Thank you!!! The finish line organization was good, except I thought you had to walk a little far to get to the food/water tent (minor point). I think placing the food and water closer to the finish line (right after getting you medal) would be better. Despite the weather, overall a very nice experience and a highly recommendable marathon!!!
4.0

By: Brendan Y.

Posted: December 17, 2008

Tough Conditions, Good Race

I really didn't like the start because I wasn't allowed to start the pace group that I wanted to run with. I was placed in the "B" group, and the 4:30 group was about 200 yards ahead of me. This was my first big-city race, and the fans were great. I really didn't like the fact that my results were placed into a complete different group because I was in the Clydesdale division. Because of that, my results weren't in the same batch as the general racers. That being said, the RunPix results page is great. I agree that the relay should have been eliminated or at least started with a different wave. I ended up getting three different shirts out of the deal, which was a great surprise. It's a shame what happened to the runner who passed away. My thoughts and prayers are with her friends and family.
4.0

By: rick H.

Posted: December 16, 2008

tough weather conditions; organizers ready for it

This was one of several times I have Run the Rock over a 20-year period. This year the weather was a tough opponent, with 25 mph plus winds and a high of 72 degrees. This in not the normal weather for this great marathon. The course is good, and for the most part flat, with lots of friendly folks along the way and a 10-mile loop around the lake. This year the organizers got it right, with water and aid stations at what seemed like half-mile intervals. I only wish that marathon organizers will one day realize that you make it hard for people who train for months for the marathon when you start them with all of the half-marathoners and fun run walkers. I know you need the money, but I don't need the first 3 miles at a 12-minute pace when I trained for a 7:30. Just a thought.
5.0

By: Daniel W.

Posted: December 16, 2008

Nasty Conditions with Great Support

Being a native Texan I was eager to get in a Texas marathon and I consider the Dallas White Rock to be the Mother Marathon for Texas. The conditions on December 14 were gusty winds over 30 mph and temp above 80. The winds really took a toll around the lake. The volunteers were great throughout the race. I have worked at aid stations in previous years and it was fun to finally actually be a runner. The marathon was very well organized with friendly people helping out. I enjoyed the marathon and would highly recommend it to other runners.
5.0

By: Steven H.

Posted: December 16, 2008

Almost Perfect

Corrals didn't work. Too many people ingnored their placement. This marathon is too big for a relay. Run a 5 or 10K instead. Excellent idea to finish the half on a different course. Aid stations and spectators are absolutely terrific. Course is well marked and times are called out at every mile. The post-race party in the AA Center was much nicer this year. They didn't run out of food for once. Get rid of the relay and this would be the best marathon in Texas.
4.0

By: Brian P.

Posted: December 16, 2008

Great job!

Dallas puts on a great race. This was my second time to run and the course and crowd support was great, as expected. I appreciated that this year they had tent for post-race food that only runners could get into. Great improvement. Last year it was open on the floor of AAC and it was almost gone when I finished. They did a great job adding water/Gatorade stations due to the heat. I would suggest they do a rolling start. It is so crowded for first several miles. The SA Marathon did a rolling start, and it was much easier to keep pace from the beginning. SA also did a better job of enforcing the start corals. Why do people walking feel the need to be at the front?
5.0

By: Pat W.

Posted: December 16, 2008

Very Pleased

This was my first marathon. I ran one ultra marathon in the past year, but that in no way prepared me for a point-to-point race like this. The weather is my only complaint, but how can you tell the Big Guy to shut off the wind during the race? The support was great. The crowds were very supportive. I loved the fact that many people set their furniture outside so they could cheer us on as we passed by. The bands were great, the finish was awesome, the medal was cool. The one very, very sad note was that we lost a fellow runner during the event. Miss Erin Lahr passed away during the run. Fellow runners and spectators came to her aid, as well as first responders. We'll keep her in our memories, and her family in our prayers.
5.0

By: Christianne E.

Posted: December 16, 2008

Great Race, terrible weather

The weather was so horrible this year, and I had a terrible race time, but as far as organization goes, this race is top notch. There were so many spectators and bands this year that there was never a dull moment. The course is challenging, but not unbearable. The one organizational complaint I have is that I had to wait an hour in a line at the expo to get my T-shirt. Don't know what that was about.....
5.0

By: Katie R.

Posted: December 15, 2008

Great for first-time runners!!!

I ran the half. This was a really easy run; Dallas is a whole lot flatter than where I had been running. Also, I thought it was really cute how there were little kids standing in there front yards handing out candy and doughnuts and cheering for you. The last three miles were super straight and easy. Encourage your friends to be at the last three miles because there were not a lot of people in that area cheering. It was a really fun time and I will do this race again.
5.0

By: christopher r.

Posted: December 15, 2008

too windy

This was my 4th in 8 weeks, and my 9th DWM, so I knew the course well. Plenty of fluids and porta-johns. Too many runners didn't get in their correct corrals, which slowed the pace of the start; then, by the time I could get into a natural stride, the wind started to take its toll. From mile 20, it was just a matter of finishing. There was no food as in past years. What's up with that? It wasn't my worst and it wasn't my best, but it was my 44th marathon.
5.0

By: Malisa A.

Posted: December 15, 2008

Full and Half each have own finish line! Fabulous!

No one's fault, but wow, high winds and some humidity thrown in: not the day for a PR, which is what I flew to Dallas hoping for. However, despite the fact I didn't hit my time goal, White Rock puts on a good time! I stayed at the Hyatt at Reunion, the host hotel. They were absolutely wonderful! All of the staff was wearing White Rock shirts, and they had shuttles to both the expo and the race that ran as often as one could wish! They said every 15 minutes, but I think it was even more frequently! Check-out on race day was extended until 4 p.m., and they had massage therapists offering $30/30 min massages after the race in the ballroom downstairs. I showered, went downstairs, got my massage, and headed to the airport - it was perfect! As for the expo, t-shirt and bib pickup was smooth as could be! The volunteers cheered every time they handed out a first-timer marathon bib - that was cool! The pre-race pasta dinner - also at the Hyatt - rocked! Wonderful food, and a ton more than I expected for the price. It was very well worth it! The race day weather just didn't cooperate. Nothing can be done about that, and given the conditions, there were tons of spectators, and good aid stations! I ran the half and the out-and-back on mile 7/8 REALLY needs a chip mat at the turn around. I was so tempted to cut the course - I want a chip mat to record my honesty at the end of that turnaround. The finish down the KATY trail was nifty - and what was really slick - the half-ers got to finish on our own, and the fulls did too! The finisher's medal is the best I've ever gotten (after 3 fulls and 4 halves)! The ribbon has the race name on it and it's gold and so pretty! Love it! Volunteer put it around my neck, gave me my space blanket, and THEN! A TECHNICAL FINISHER'S SHIRT! For a half-marathon!? I thought you only got an extra shirt for the full - I had no clue it was coming - but that was super cool! And it's cute too - says, "Dallas Rocks" on the front and "Finisher" on the back. Very nice touch. The runners' food court was outside right past the finish line - there were lines, but what do you expect with 17,000 runners!? Got in, got my food, and got out easily, and then went over to watch the full finishers come in. This was really nice - all of the fulls got to come in on their own and have folks cheer for them - and the ones kicking it for their 3:10 Boston times didn't need to zigzag around half marathoners. They had a clear view of the clock and the chip mat, and we all cheered for them. The American Airlines Center had beer and water - the stairs really weren't that bad.... Elevators were available if you wanted them so no one had to do the stairs! Though, come on people, you have got to keep moving after the run, or you'll be sore tomorrow. It's not like you're running bleachers! Plus, it was warm inside, and there was a great band and beer! They were also posting results as they came in! Also, the chairs were open, so if you wanted to sit somewhere comfier than the ground, there you go! I really liked having it open before and after the race - nice, warm, clean place to congregate and stretch. I saw in previous years that there were comments about metal detectors; this year the didn't make us go through them, so no problems going in and out! Overall, well executed!
4.0

By: Dane T.

Posted: December 15, 2008

Great marathon but really windy

This is my 6th marathon and first DWR. I thoroughly enjoyed the event from start to finish. The expo was typical as I expected. The marathon itself was great. I enjoyed the different parts of the course, and the lake was nice until the backside when the south wind howled at us all the way back. My time was around 15 minutes slower than my goal and I can mostly attribute it to the wind. (That's my excuse, anyway.) I have always heard about the Dolly Parton's but found that they really weren't that bad. The crowd support was amazing and the volunteers were great. The finish area wasn't congested until you left there and tried to find family members. All in all, I had a great time and it's probably my favorite course thus far.
5.0

By: April M.

Posted: December 15, 2008

Half-marathon could use many improvements

I did this half marathon in 2005 and loved it. I went back for the half this year, and although there were parts I enjoyed, there is DEFINITELY room to improve. Pros: (1) Really nice expo for a medium-size race (2) Technical finisher's shirt for the half racers!!! (3) Great course and good course support at the aid stations (4) Liked the new disposable timing system Cons: (1) Confusing starting line area that wasn't well marked. I asked at least ten people where the starting line was and no one seemed to know. I finally found it by accident. (2) Lack of port-a-potties at the start, there were some on the north side of AA Center (the start was on the south) and you could use the ones in the center, but they were BEYOND crowded. I couldn't even get IN the center it was so crowded. There needs to be portable toilets that are accessible near the start and MORE OF THEM. I stood in line for one for 45 minutes and ended up not going before the start. (3) Whoever designed the finish for the halfers needs to go back to the drawing board. I finished, was handed a medal and a shirt, and I asked for a cup of water. The volunteers just gave me blank looks, like they had no idea where the water was. Come to find out, the water/food was OUTSIDE of the runners' chute, so you had to walk out of the finish area into a huge crowd of runners/spectators all gathering at the opening, and there was one little table set up (which took me fifteen minutes to find) with some paper cups and a couple of jugs of water. Huh? Never saw the free beer that was advertised. I find it is usually best to have the finish line area with food/water fenced off only for the runners as they go through the finish they are lead through that area and can pick up what they need. Simplify things! (4) The start/finish all seemed way too congested, like the organizers were trying to fit too many people on streets that were too narrow. The finish especially was congested. (5) The weather (nothing the organizers could do about that) - it was unseasonably warm, humid, and there was 25-30 mph headwinds. Whew!
3.0

By: Will G.

Posted: May 24, 2008

One of the best marathons I've run

This was my first time running the Dallas Marathon, but my 25th overall marathon. Unlike comments from some first-timers with unrealistic expectations, I know what to expect from a race that's 26.2 miles long. There were a lot of people at the start, both runners and spectators. There was also a lot of excitement at the start and along the course. The aid stations were great, and the volunteers were very supportive. I saw about 15 bands along the course, and heard music at each aid station. Most of the aid stations had some sort of theme. Although the weather was less than ideal for spectators, the course had a fair number of people out watching the race. I heard that spectators and maybe some bands had left towards the later hours of the race, but I understand that after standing outside and watching the leaders and main pack going by, the slower runners may be a bit boring to watch. There were a lot of people out watching in downtown Dallas before we got to the finish line. The finish line provided me a heat sheet, removed my chip, and gave me my finisher's medallion and bottled water with no problems. I also received a cap for finishing. We were directed into the American Airlines Center (nice and warm, with clean bathrooms). I didn't feel like walking down the stairs, so I took the elevator (duh!). There was food, drink and entertainment inside. They started running low on food as I was leaving about an hour later, but I saw a number of runners taking food with them. I will do this race again, as it was one of the best marathons I have traveled to. We stayed in the Hyatt and were close to everything downtown. I like these big-city races and the excitement of running with 10,000+ other runners.
5.0

By: Tom Marek

Posted: May 12, 2008

It didn't live up to all the hype...

I'm not sure why there are all of these glowing reviews. My experience in no way matched my expectation. Taking the weather out of the equation, the course was fine and the neighborhoods were beautiful. The expo was as expected for this size race but my first negative was going to the Academy booth to get my technical shirt only to be told they gave them all away by 11 a.m. Granted, not the fault of the race, but a negative still. Compared to other events (7 half marathons) this was a lonely race. Only a few of the promised bands showed up, and other than at the aid stations, spectators were comparatively few. The finish line was lacking. No water, no space blanket, no technical finisher's shirt... nothing except for the medal that I had to ask for. For post-race activities, who thought it would be a good idea to make runners walk down stairs for a cup of cold noodles and no water? Then we were hustled out because they were picking up tables at 5.5 hours after the start with runners still on the course. And let's not forget the walk back up the stairs! Walking to the bus, I saw a guy with a marathon hat. He told me you had to get them out of a box near the finish line near the water bottles. What water bottles? This was not what I expected for my first marathon. For those that think this was fun, take a road trip and attend one of the Rock and Roll events put on by Elite Racing. This group knows how to organize a race and make it feel like a huge party. I will not run The Rock again until management gets their act together. My sights are now on the Rock and Roll San Antonio Marathon to replace Dallas.
2.0

By: SCOTT C.

Posted: March 17, 2008

GREAT RACE

The Dallas White Rock Marathon is the best. The volunteers really help you to finish the race.
5.0

By: Gretchen Verhaalen

Posted: January 28, 2008

Great race, great fans, BAD post-race party!!

The course was great. Beautiful neighborhoods, beautiful lake, and no real hills to speak of. The dreaded Dolly Parton Hills are not bad - Paavo Nurmi, now THAT'S hilly! The fans were fantastic, as were the many water stops. We never wanted for water, Gatorade, or small snacks. Many fans set up their own "aid" stations. I loved the hat, and the medal was nice. The post party was AWFUL! I know I'm slow, but I couldn't believe it when I hobbled down 5 flights of stairs to find ALL the food was gone (except the dregs of the pasta salad and a few oranges). I mean not even one lousy banana or bagel was in sight! So I had to hobble back up the 5 flights of stairs to try and find my family, who were told they couldn't go into the AA Center. Kind of a bummer for 4 kids to wait around for 4+ hours to see their mom finish then not be able to find her. With all those great fans, what a bad deal that they can't mingle with the finishers. Have the party outside! And maybe start the 1/2 a lot later so they don't finish and scarf up all the food before the marathoners get there. All in all, a fun, fast race. I'd do it again if I'm in TX in December. Next stop: Green Bay!! Pros: Great course and race organization. Cons: No food for the slower racers; no family meeting area.
4.0

By: Scott S.

Posted: January 23, 2008

Big Props for Big D

Race morning was a cold, windy, and rainy day. Just the day before the temperature was 70, and it was humid. Sunday it was 45 and ominous. Better temperature at least. The Hyatt had shuttle buses transporting people the mile to the starting area, but we decide to hoof it down there on foot. My race bib is personalized with my name in capital letters. Nice touch! The race starts and finishes at a place downtown called Victory Park. It's some sort of upscale urban renaissance area. It's nice, but very crowded and chaotic. The lines to get into the sports arena bathrooms were massive, but moved quickly. We had to go through a metal detector and past security to get in. We made our way to the entrance of the starting line area. I got pretty close to my 3:30 balloons but I couldn't squeeze my way up all the way to them. It was really crowded in there, which was actually kind of nice since it helped keep me warm. Someone was singing the national anthem over the PA system so I knew the moment is near. Then it started. I crossed the actual starting line about one minute after the race started, and I started my watch. As the race finally began, it was still very crowded and I couldn't run my normal pace. At mile 2, we reached the first aid station. Tables containing water and high endurance-formula Gatorade. There would be one of these every two miles or so. It was still very crowded at mile 2. The runners got clotted up as runners slowed down to grab cups of water. To avoid the mess, I got behind the aid station and ran on the sidewalk. They had pretty good crowd support. There were several live bands playing for the runners as well. Around this point I saw a garage band literally playing in the garage of a house, which was an amusing touch. Later on I would see an African drumming ensemble. Around mile 10 I reached the lake. There was still no rain yet, but a rather stiff breeze was coming out of the North, which was tough. The course around the lake went by some of the nicest, ritziest houses I'd ever seen. Dallas is a nice city and clearly has some money, and the course certainly shows that off. I'm sure the city has some rotten neighborhoods as well, but we mainly steered clear of those bits. Fast-forward to mile 19; apparently mile 19 is the place to watch the Dallas Marathon. There was a rocking band, people drinking beer and offering us the same, and Hooters girls passing out water and Gatorade. After mile 19, I made an attempt at the Dolly Parton Hills, which separate me from the long, slow descent to the finish starting at mile 21. Near the top of the first hill, spectators have set up an impromptu aid station. As I approached I realized that it was staffed entirely by dudes dressed in drag, sporting rather generous, uh, attachments in honor of the hills' namesake. Brilliant! After the 21 mile-mark, the course turned onto Swiss, a tree-lined parkway that trended gently downhill. There was a gentleman carrying a platter with bananas, cut up candy bars, and orange slices. I made a feeble grab at candy, and spilled several bits on to the ground whilst getting nothing attached to my hand. "Sorry," I said, as I kept moving. After mile 23, the course flattened out. I redoubled my efforts, as the course left Swiss and wound through an industrial wasteland boarding downtown proper. Here the course also hooked up with the half marathoners. This added a lot of chaos to the last two miles of the run. Simply put, there were loads of them, and they're SLOW. No disrespect, but I was trying to finish my race, so if you wouldn't mind not clogging up the entire street, that'd be great. Thanks! We made a final turn on to Houston Street. There was the finish line, in sight. Spectators lined both sides of the street. They cheered a little, not going crazy though. Didn't they know I was setting a personal record? Come on, folks! With my left hand in the air I crossed the finish line, and then stopped my watch and looked. 3:25:26. About 5 minutes off my previous best. I had finally broken 3:30. I start to get cold very quickly; the temperature was still in the 40s. I untied my warm-up shirt from my waist and put it on and I grabbed one of those space-blanket Kevlar sheets and wrapped it loosely around my shoulders. I walk further back where the finisher's medals were all piled up on tables, wrapped up in little plastic bags. All the marathons I've been to have volunteers the will put the medal around your neck. It's a nice bit of tradition, if nothing else. I heard that in the Marine Corps Marathon in Washington D.C. a real-live marine does it. In Dallas they point you to a long table and instruct you to take one, lovingly wrapped in a plastic bag. Not much for tradition in big D, I suppose. No matter; I'm capable of putting a medal around my neck. I did it. MEEEEEE. As marathon finisher medals go, Dallas has a good one. It's the only marathon medal I own that displays the race name on the band. The medal is about average-sized, and has a fanciful relief of the Dallas skyline, wreathed by a victorious circle of olive leaves. In the center of the medal is displayed the year (2007), and the full formal name of the marathon: Dallas White Rock Marathon. Next item of business: refreshment. I spied a vast supply of bottled water, and grabbed one to drink. I never did end up going back into the area for the post-race party. I just went directly back to the Hyatt. Very good race, all in all.
4.0

By: Hari G.

Posted: January 21, 2008

Great marathon for first-time marathon runners

This was my first marathon. I thought that this race was very well organized, with the right number of aid stations throughout the course. I liked the Gatorade endurance drink. It was a very cold day and it felt very windy running by the lake. Liked the finisher's medal design and also received a finisher's cap. Only complaint was descending the steps in the American Airlines Center to get post-race refreshments. This was especially tough after running a marathon. Keep it up.
5.0

By: Kevin Lyons

Posted: January 08, 2008

I love it

This is a great race, from the organization to the fans. There is entertainment at nearly every mile for those looking for motivation to keep going, and there are plenty of port-o-potties and water/Gatorade stands.
4.0

By: Jeremy S.

Posted: January 04, 2008

Tough weather but great vibe

This was my second marathon and first White Rock, so my opinion is from a relative newcomer. That said, here are the things that I felt were best and worst with this year's race: PROS: - Course was awesome. With slightly less windy and rainy weather, this would have been beautiful, especially around the lake. Hills were not an issue for the most part, except around mile 19-20, where the "last hill" went on for about 2 miles it seemed. - Fans were great. Lots of cheering, especially through the neighborhoods. - Live bands were really cool. They were rocking out at several points during the race, and there was even a garage band playing that I'm pretty sure wasn't a "real" scheduled band. - Post-race food was good. Lots of chips, sushi, grilled chicken, yogurt smoothies, etc. - Medal was well-crafted. - Water stations were everywhere! Seemed like I couldn't run five minutes without hitting one, which was great. CONS: - Can't really fault anyone for weather, but wow. Wind off the lake and rain was not ideal. - Difficult to find a poncho pre-race. - Post-race it was VERY hard to find family. - Walking down about 100 steps into the post-race party at the AAC was incredibly difficult after running a marathon. - Cotton shirt as a finishing prize. Not okay, especially with such a tacky design. That's personal preference though. Overall, I had a great time at the race and ran 20 minutes faster than at Denver in October 2006. The finishing logistics could definitely be improved, but everything was great all in all.
4.0

By: jacob t.

Posted: January 04, 2008

merging of the half & whole marathoners

This was my 4th White Rock. The race improved over 2006's race with regards to the half and whole merging; however, I maintain that there needs to be either a more staggered start, a later start for the half, or a way of keeping the half marathoners separated on the course - either with barriers or by having them run on the other side of the street.
5.0

By: Christina K.

Posted: January 02, 2008

Nice race route and fantastic spectators!

I thoroughly enjoyed this race. The route was scenic and had good variety. The weather was a bit brutal, but preferable to something warmer. The spectators along the race route were awesome. Good idea to have names on the race bibs - the spectators shouting encouragement were great! I especially enjoyed the spectators who provided the free beer in the small cups - it provided much needed sustenance at mile 20!!! Fantastic finisher's medal. Overall a great race that is highly recommended.
5.0

By: Leo R.

Posted: December 28, 2007

Great Marathon Course/Finish Needs Work

Pros: Great medal; good, mostly flat course; excellent volunteers and music; shirt logo was very nice; beer and food at post-race party were great. Cons: Some water stops had very little water in the cups - needed to take 2 or 3 cups to get an adequate drink; merging with half marathoners was difficult and caused me to lose my pacing group; cotton finisher's shirts are so bad - a technical racing shirt would be much better; difficult to link up with family. Overall, two thumbs up.
4.0

By: Jennifer D.

Posted: December 26, 2007

Response to commentor below

I finished the marathon in 6 hours and got a finisher's hat, so I don't know what the guy below is talking about. They hadn't run out of anything when I finished.
4.0

By: Jonathan H.

Posted: December 21, 2007

Awful Post-Race Party

Everything up until crossing the finish line was great. The problems started with the volunteer who took my chip then losing it. They only had enough keepsake hats for people who ran under 4 hours. Followed by a single-file line to the bag drop. Then getting to the floor of the party was a rather difficult - you walked down flights of stairs only to find out that they ran out of most of the food. Band was pretty good, though they took more breaks than most of the runners.
4.0

By: Laura S.

Posted: December 17, 2007

Post-race needs help.

This race was great and the crowd support was even better! However, the post-race needs some work. There was no water to replenish you until you got into the AAC and it was almost impossible to get to it there. If you ran the marathon is anything over 3:30, there was no food left, as the half marathoners and relay teams had already been there. It was very difficult to find your family.
5.0

By: Joshua T.

Posted: December 17, 2007

Getting better every year

I ran the White Rock Marathon in 2004 and didn't have a positive experience, but ran it this year and really enjoyed it. Part of it was due to a PR, but most of it was because of the improvements I've seen in the past three years. I'll just list the pros quickly and get onto how they can further improve the race. PROS: -2 day expo means you can go Friday and stay off your feet all day Saturday. -Great course (it's NOT that hilly - my fastest mile was mile 21 which was uphill). -AA Center is a great staging area for pre- and post-race events. -Good weather this year (can't count on that every time, though). -Half marathon starts later so you only have to deal with those runners at the very end. CONS: -The official "Rock Shop" where they sell official marathon merchandise had a very meager selection and I was at the expo Friday night. No non-running gear to speak of (I like to get a polo from all my races), and of the running gear, there were very few selections in both design and size. Maybe I was spoiled by the expos at London and New York this year, but the selection was a disappointment. -How about starting corrals? I started right in between the 3:20 and 3:30 pace groups like I was supposed to (and I ran 3:24), and I found the start more congested by far than the New York City Marathon. This was due to people starting much too close to the front of the race. -I read in the Dallas Morning News that they're trying to totally eliminate the half marathon merge at the end, which would be fantastic. Running a steady pace all race and then finding yourself amongst people running 3 minutes per mile slower is not an easy thing to deal with. That said, the race gets better each year. And I had voiced some initial complaints with the registration process and the website, and the race director replied to my email personally, and took my suggestions. I seriously doubt that many races this size can boast that. I can unequivocally recommend this race to others.
4.0

By: Derek W.

Posted: December 16, 2007

Awesome Support

This was my 3rd White Rock Marathon, and I will continue to do this one. The one aspect that I think was well received was the transition of HM into the marathon group. It used to happen around mile 22 and made for a difficult 4-5 mile ending. This year they changed it to around mile 25 and made for a much better ending. It goes to show that they are trying to make the experience a good one, and do take the feedback they get from runners and try to make it better every year. Every marathon has some problems, but the White Rock is making improvements every year!! I will be back!!
4.0

By: Andy WALKER

Posted: December 16, 2007

VERY SCENIC FOR A BIG-CITY RUN

Really enjoyed the marathon. PROS: Great expo, easy number pick-up, and excellent pasta party in the sponsored hotel, which was superb. Course was tough (hilly in parts), but very good, especially around White Rock Lake. Water every mile - and very well marshaled. Fans were very vocal and very funny at the "Dolly Parton Hill" section at the 19 and 1/2 mile mark. Good post-race nosh and band in the AA Center. Bus to and from the start from the sponsored hotel. CONS: Runner indiscipline at start (I tracked the 3:50 balloon and passed 2 ladies at the 2 mile-mark chatting about running a 4:30!!!). They had cups - not bottles - for water. There was not much food at feed stations. And it was a bit confusing at the finish; better guidance to AA Center post-race bash is needed, and it was a bit of a free for all.
4.0

By: Jeremiah W.

Posted: December 14, 2007

Thanks Dallas!

The expo was very good for the size of marathon. In my opinion, this was better than the Disney Marathon expo. Race eay was cold, drizzly and windy. We could have easily been discouraged, but we weren't thanks to the AAC being open before the race, the free ponchos, the omnipresent police and wonderful freezing fans and bands. The course was great to look at, even when the wind off the lake was brutal. Big shout out to the Clif Bar Pacers who helped runners reach their goals strategically. Special shout out to Dave from the 3:10 group. The only negative in my opinion was the half marathon logjam encountered at the end. The medical staff was wonderful, and the runner's hat was a nice touch for finishing. Get rid of the half-marathon and marathon collision and this will be a very desirable marathon.
5.0

By: Frank V.

Posted: December 14, 2007

Great Course; Logistics Need Help

This was my first DWRM and my 12th overall. I am a Chicago "survivor" and was very happy the weather turned colder. The pre- and post-race logistics were not good at all. The line to get into the AA Arena was really long, and once inside, they only had two bathrooms open. There weren't any signs on which way to line up for the start, so we had to backtrack a ways to the start. The course was really nice with some easy climbs at the beginning. The wind around the lake was really tough, but the scenery was really nice. The climb through the "Parton Hills" wasn't bad at all. The post-race logistics were terrible. We were shivering in the cold while 2 people were chasing down our gear bags. Having to climb down into the AA Arena after a marathon was brutal and the lines for food were really long. I had one beer and a water after the race until I got back to my hotel. I would recommend skipping the Arena - not worth the trouble. Knowing what I know now, I plan on returning next year to try for my BQ time.
4.0

By: Russell Ingram

Posted: December 14, 2007

Excellent Race

After running multiple half-marathons, this was my first marathon. I can't say enough about the crowd support actually yelling for me by name throughout. Although the post-race party could have been a little better organized, I truly enjoyed every step of the way. There were even OU fans in full force. I will definitely run this again.
5.0

By: Julie P.

Posted: December 13, 2007

Course rocks - post race needs a LOT of help

I loved the race. The spectators and the course are what make this race. The post-race was pitiful. No food worth eating. The AAC staff were cranky and ignorant. Run the Rock  just don't expect a post-race party.
4.0

By: Jenny B.

Posted: December 13, 2007

Needs improvement

I have run many marathons and noted some things about this race that were good and some not so good. Pros: Nice expo! Nice course! Volunteers and spectators on the course were great! Bands were great!! Medal is nice. Thank you to the Clif Pacers - it worked for me. Cons: Seemed crowded to me. I kept getting jabbed in the gut by the person ahead of me. T-shirt is ugly. We all appreciate the sponsors - can't do it without them. But there must be a better way to recognize. How about a technical shirt? I know the money is for a good cause, but put some into the shirt too. The medal was handed to us in a plastic bag at the finish line. You had to open the bag and put it around your neck yourself. It was congested at the finish line and I can't believe I did not see the people to take the chip off your shoe. I unfortunately still had my chip on my shoe when I left out of the runner area and they would not let me back in. I had no idea where to meet my family. No family meeting area. The post-race party had such a mix of food that it would turn your stomach. Besides, it was so crowded on the arena floor that it was hard to get around. Not worth the trouble. Finishing at the end with the half marathoners was also congested. You had to bob and weave around them. I think you reached your limit. I still had a good race, but I will not go back to Dallas.
4.0

By: Dave S.

Posted: December 13, 2007

White Rock Marathon Getting Bigger & Better

It truly was perfect marathon weather verses what had been forecasted. The course was beautiful and fast. The crowd support was good for a cloudy, cold and breezy day. I really enjoyed that people could cheer me on because they knew my name from my race bib. All the bands were excellent and everyone did a wonderful job at each and every water/Gatorade station. I have a strong feeling the Dallas White Marathon will continue growing bigger and better. (Note: I was extremely impressed with the marathon expo at the Dallas Convention Center too!)
5.0

By: Samantha C.

Posted: December 13, 2007

Nice but needs improvement

I used the half marathon as a training race for my upcoming marathon in January. I enjoyed the expo and found the expo to be completely satisfactory. I think the water stops were great; someone was always telling me where to find the Gatorade. Some of the things that need improvement include: I didn't run the full marathon and would like a half marathon finisher's medal to remember the event. In addition, the checked baggage area was terrible. The volunteers were overwhelmed by the number of people trying to get their bags. I may not be making such a negative comment, but standing around in sweaty shorts and a shirt was not fun due to the weather conditions. In addition, I agree with the comments - making people walk down stairs to get to the food and refreshments is tough. I've run a fair number of larger and smaller races, and most of the larger races have a finisher's shirt - what's up with Dallas? I have family in the area, so I will not completely cross this race of my list, but I don't know if I need to do this again anytime soon.
4.0

By: Be B.

Posted: December 13, 2007

Hard Course, Good Support, Areas for Improvement

This was my 18th marathon, and first one in Dallas. It is a wonderful course, with challenging hills in the beginning 8 miles and during the critical stretch between 18.5 and 21 miles. Oh, and don't forget the 5-miles downhill into the finish - your quads are in for it. Texas is not flat. Go in prepared and you will have fun on a wonderful course. The aid stations and crowds are very enthusiastic and supportive. Even thought the race is small, the neighborhoods really come out and cheer for everyone, not just friends and family or a specific charity. Your name is on your bib, so you will be called by name. The start and finish areas need better planning and execution - I had to ask for directions all the time. A map or a directional sign would be very helpful. I did not see anyone who looked like they knew what was going on so it was runners helping runners. The post-race refreshments are on the floor of the American Airline Center Arena - AKA down 3 flights of stairs. Not good when your quads had seized out on the decline. I only could find water on the level that did not require a lot of pain. Also, marathoners were complaining about the food (or the lack of anything different or interesting); maybe the half-marathoners had more interesting options. Areas for improvement: start/finish directional signs; clearly marked and knowledgeable volunteers giving directions and answering questions; refreshments available without stairs; better gear check (I had to wait 10 minutes in line); and organizers should work with the City of Dallas on those car-size potholes.
4.0

By: Vicki M.

Posted: December 12, 2007

Great spectators and expo

This was my 9th marathon and 1st Dallas White Rock Marathon. I was impressed with the number of vendors at the race expo and the host hotel (Hyatt at Reunion) was excellent. Transportation to and from the expo and the race start/finish was well organized. The Dallas community was out in full force to support the runners along the course, even in the less-than-ideal weather conditions. Very enthusiastic and friendly folks there. I'd definitely recommend this race to others. Not really a great PR course due to some hills late in the race (miles 19-21), but the course itself is scenic and shows off some beautiful Dallas homes.
4.0

By: Frank h.

Posted: December 12, 2007

Saying goodbye for a while

This was my fifth marathon, and I have only run the Dallas White Rock Marathon. I will be saying goodbye to the Dallas White Rock Marathon for awhile, because I am going to run another marathon next. My goal this year was to run the entire marathon without stopping, and I was able to accomplish my goal with a time of 4:32, which was slower than in the past. At mile 18, I told myself that unless I cramp up, I will not stop this year, and I kept going. My goal for my next marathon is to run under 4 hours. See you in Austin.
5.0

By: Joe C.

Posted: December 12, 2007

Bigger doesn't mean better

I ran this marathon before they tried to make it "big time" by bringing in foreign runners and capping the field size. Well, the race has certainly grown, but that doesn't mean it has gotten better. This race has now become one of the least "runner friendly" races I've ever entered. All they care about is the numbers - most importantly, how much cash they can fleece out of entrants. The entry fee has skyrocketed - $90 for early entry! Outrageous! Then there's the expo ($8 parking) - which they FORCE you to attend to pick up your packet (nice coercion), only to be led through a total maze to pick up your number here, your chip WAY over there, your t-shirt WAY over there, etc. The purpose, of course, was to force you to walk by as many vendors as humanly possible to try to fleece even more money out of you. I think I almost walked a marathon going to all the required stops at the expo. Then on race day, I had never been treated more rudely at a race. Race officials and local police SCREAMING at runners as we tried to line up for the start. It was humiliating and insulting. As for the race itself, they did a nice job, as the course was well marked and the aid stations well manned. Then, after crossing the finish line, came even more verbal abuse from officials as we tried to make our way to the post-race party. If you happen to take a turn to the med. tent instead (because there was no way to know that's where we were headed), you got screamed at again. Summary: good course, terrible treatment from race officials before and after, and the feeling that the only thing they cared about was how much of my money they could make off with.
3.0

By: Phil Work

Posted: December 11, 2007

disappointed

This was my first marathon and I was really looking forward to it. The course was harder than I anticipated, but it was fun, and the people along they way were great - especially the kids. My friends who had run marathons had been telling me how great the after-race party was, and that is what really kept me going through the race because I was looking forward to the end. I finished in 5:23, and when I reached the end, I was greatly disappointed. There was no direction on were to go. Once we did find what was left of the after-race party, there was no food except very cold and bad pasta, and some popcorn. Also, only having GU at one point, 8 miles from the end, was kind of lame. I am going to continue to run marathons, but regretfully I will probably not run the Dallas Marathon again.
4.0

By: William G.

Posted: December 11, 2007

Fewer perks, more hassles for 2007

Good course and great support along the way but organizers' desire to see it grow (especially via numbers of half and relay participants) will keep me from participating in this marathon again. Start was fairly efficient, aid stations were well manned and well stocked, and the route is visually interesting. The finish area itself was well managed. But then came the disappointments: SOME finishers received what looked like nice running caps ("while supplies last" - why not for every marathoner???) AND no finisher shirt (and only a cheap long-sleeve cotton shirt given in registration packet). Perhaps most irritating was the crowd at the post-race party. Supposedly, non runners were not allowed (but not enforced - lots of friends, family, etc.) and the half and relay runners were there before the 4+-hour marathoners. Result: lines 30+-deep for a bag of popcorn, etc. Too many other marathons make their finishers feel like VIPs at the end. I'll "vote with my feet" to support those in the future.
3.0

By: Kevin A.

Posted: December 11, 2007

Fast course; need better directions to race start.

This was state number 21 for me, so I have seen plenty of marathons. Overall it is a good race; there is just a few small things that Dallas can do it alleviate a bunch of frustration. As a non-Dallas resident, the website needs much better directions to the expo parking. The website also needs much better directions to the race start parking. I came from a hotel in the north and followed this website directions to a T, and turned left onto Houston (YOU CAN NOT DRIVE NORTH ON HOUSTON FROM CONTINENTAL; HOUSTON IS THE START/FINISH STREET), but Houston was CLOSED. Now, I asked 3 different people at the expo how to find parking for the start, and each gave me the same stupid answers. "See the website," or "Just park somewhere in the many downtown parking lots." Those are stupid things to say to someone from out of town. Come on, man, I looped around the streets a few time, and landing in some parking lot. Then after the race I froze trying to find my car again. Well those are easily fixed if Dallas just tries a little bit. Until these are fixed I can not recommend anyone who does not know their way around Dallas to run this baby. Otherwise the course was actually fun to run. Just enough hills to keep the legs stretched out, but pretty flat. I finished in just under 4 hours and found that the rest stops were adequately supplied and staffed. As I said, I finished in just under 4 hours, but had trouble finding water at the finish? That was really strange. It was s very cold 45 or colder with a chilling wind. Then I just happened to see people going into the American Airlines Center and eventually realized there was food somewhere in the building. Oh my, they made me walk down 5000 steps to get to the arena floor. Then I found that most of the stations giving out food where packing up? WHAT? The floor was completely crowded with NON-RUNNERS, and little kids too. Come on, what was going on? I finished ahead of 70% of the marathon runners and had a heck of a time finding food. I felt really bad for the other 70% of the marathon runners who were not going to find much food. I guess the half-marathon runners and their friends ate all the food? But the expo was really good, and the website was top-notch, except the bad parking directions.
3.0

By: Jennifer D.

Posted: December 11, 2007

1st Timer

This was my first marathon, so I didn't really know what to expect, or how to prepare for the weather, which is ever-changing in Texas. The course was great, even though the hills were harder for me than what I've read from the other reviews. The other runners I met along the way really helped me out and got me through the race. I couldn't have finished without their support. The expo was great, the finisher's medal was awesome, and overall I think it was a very well-organized course and event. Next year I plan to run the half.
4.0

By: Will W.

Posted: December 11, 2007

Excellent despite the weather

Despite fog and light sprinkles, this was an awesome first half-marathon. The course winds through some of the most impressive Dallas neighborhoods. The fans were out in the inclement weather at every intersection. Looking forward to the full marathon in 2008!
5.0

By: RD S.

Posted: December 11, 2007

Not a Walker-Friendly Event

This is the second year in a row that I have crossed the finish line to be told that they have run out of medals!!! Water stops were scarce from mile 15 to the finish line as most of the volunteers had already left, as had many of the course officials. As a native of Dallas, I was very disappointed and will plan on staying at home next year. There are many more events in the area that remember walkers and provide for them.
2.0

By: Chris K.

Posted: December 11, 2007

Great course and fans; after-party needs work.

This was my third marathon, and I thoroughly enjoyed the race. Pros: -Great scenic course, running through some truly beautiful neighborhoods. -Awesome fan support. Even on a cold miserable Sunday morning, there were large crowds cheering everyone on, including several stops for beer. -Great well organized expo and very good pasta dinner. -Excellent host hotel at the Hyatt. Without even having to ask they offered late (4 p.m.) checkout, and were very supportive of the runners. Cons: -Disorganized start. I wasn't sure where exactly to go and which way we were supposed to line up. -The AAC staff were quite rude and they didn't have enough doors open to be able to get in/out quickly for bathroom runs. -The post-race party needs work. There was little direction as to where we supposed to go for the party, and when we finally got into the AAC, we had to walk down 50+ steps to get to the floor, which by time I got there was packed with people and it wasn't really worth trying to fight for any food. Again, the AAC was understaffed. Overall, though, great race, and I would run again.
4.0

By: Sally S.

Posted: December 11, 2007

Great first marathon!

Although it was cold in my book, the organizers were ready - for cold and HOT. This was a very well-organized race, with tremendous police, crowd and volunteer support, even with the chilly and damp conditions. My only complaints would be the expo/packet pickup location at the convention center (downtown, $8 parking) and the finish-line food. My finish time wasn't spectacular, but I had to walk downstairs to the AA floor to get what was left - beer :-), bad pasta salad, and oranges. I know efforts were made to keep the HMs and spectators from eating all the food, but I don't think they worked. (And no finisher t-shirts.) Other than that, this was a fun, scenic marathon!
5.0

By: Robert S.

Posted: December 11, 2007

Second time's a charm

This is my second time to run this marathon, having run it in 2004 also. The crowd support is surprisingly good for a 4,000-person marathon, especially around White Rock Lake. The course is very nice and some of the other runners kept commenting about the beautiful homes on display. The race seems to be better organized now compared to 2004. Moving the expo to the Convention Center is a nice touch, the shuttle buses to and from the host hotel were more accessible and the runner tracking and analysis is very cool. Dallas should keep up the good work and this race will grow exponentially through the years. Congratulations on showing me another great weekend!
5.0

By: craig w.

Posted: December 11, 2007

First marathon!!!! I love White Rock!

My first marathon was an enjoyable experience. The start at Victory Park was reminiscent of Times Square in New York City, though on a smaller scale of course. The water stops were excellent; I did note have problems getting in and out of each station. Each water station had an abundant amount of water and Gatorade. The route takes you through some beautiful neighborhoods by White Rock Lake. It seemed like there was someone cheering for me at least every three miles. There were plenty of volunteers before, during and after the race to make this a fun experience. I really would like to thank all of them for making this a great event. The marathon was well organized, and even if I looked for something, I could not find anything wrong with this race. RUN THE ROCK, BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5.0

By: Bob W.

Posted: December 10, 2007

A well-managed race with a nice course!

The race organizers did a good job from the beginning. The website provided the information necessary to navigate the weekend's events. Packet pickup and the good-sized expo were laid out well, accommodating everyone without being overcrowded. The race itself was well done, and the course is one of my favorites. The start line is, however, crowded as the chutes are on a narrow street walled up between buildings (line up early if you have PR ambitions). The race director had decompressed things some with an earlier elite women's start and, more importantly, a later half-marathon start. The course does open up quickly once the race begins, and the remainder (i.e., 25 miles) of the course is outstanding - 9 miles out through a variety of Dallas neighborhoods (some really nice real estate!), 10 scenic (if windy) miles around the lake, and then on back in to the finish. There were an amazing number of supporters out braving the cool and misty conditions. Garage bands (literally, as many took cover from the elements to be able to continue to play), pockets of enthusiastic people in a variety of neighborhoods, and frequent, well-stocked aid stations appeared with regularity. Especially given the conditions, I appreciated the indoor post-race facilities, but the floor of the AA Center was crowded with marathon and half-marathon participants, and it was a challenge to get around. It may be that this race cannot grow much without significant changes to its infrastructure, but I look forward to returning to find out!
5.0

By: Rick M.

Posted: December 10, 2007

Post-Race Setup was a Joke

First let me start by saying this marathon was great all the way up to the point that we crossed the finish line. When we crossed the finish, we were handed our medal still in a plastic bag. Then when we wanted to pick up our checked bag they had no idea where everything was. They sent runners into a room with no volunteers and basically had to find your bag on your own. Then finally someone came by and said that if it wasn't there, then we should go to this other area where they had only two people trying to find the bags. Then the food inside American Airlines arena would have been nice if there was some organization on the floor instead of a free-for-all. They expected all of the runners to walk down all the stairs to the floor, and then back up. Bottom line is the post-race party was a joke. Now that I have said what I wanted to about that, let me say that the course, volunteers on the course and the spectators were AWESOME! I would do this race again only because of that. There are a few hills that can be challenging, but nothing severe. I was able to get a BQ and was really happy about that. Bottom line: Don't let the post-race party stop you from doing this race. Enjoy the course and then leave when you are done. If you don't have to check bags, then I suggest you don't. Dallas, if you would just fix those few problems, you would have a top-notch event.
4.0

By: Matt M.

Posted: December 10, 2007

Really well done for 2007

Hard to be critical because I had a good race but they seemed to do a great job this year. They separated the marathon from the non-marathon runners pretty well, had tons of support, and the course seems pretty fast. The one complaint I have is small space at the post-race party in the AAC. Having to use stairs after the race is hard and it's just not big enough. Didn't seem like they had tons of food either.
4.0

By: Jim W.

Posted: December 10, 2007

Outstanding Race

Just finished yesterday's race. Can't say enough good things about this race. Extremely organized, great fan support on the course, really good course (although the hills between 18-21 weren't fun) and to top it off, a fantastic post-race party. They had Starbucks hot chocolate, sushi, pasta, popcorn, beer, and more inside the American Airlines arena... so families could actually get out of the cold and runners could get warm. All in all, an outstanding race that I am definitely going to run again. The Hyatt Hotel (official race hotel) was great, with a ridiculously low rate, so it was packed with runners, which made for a great atmosphere. Customer service there was really good, especially giving runners an extended late checkout, which allowed us all to finish the race, relax at the post-race party, and watch the Dallas Cowboys game! A few improvements for consideration: (1) have the mile markers be more visible with large plywood signs instead of the canvas ones that spun around in the wind; (2) have the Dallas restaurants have booths around the arena so that families can eat as well; (3) have a shuttle bus service to take families to designated places on the course, and use the bus service as a fundraising opportunity for the hospital the race was raising money for. Everyone should run this race!
5.0

By: Alan H.

Posted: December 10, 2007

Fun race but horrible logistics

DWR is a fun place to run but but not if you have a time goal. The last 1.5 miles, expect to weave through a multitude of half-marathon walkers taking up the whole road who are oblivious to anyone behind them. Until they put up a barrier between the halfers and marathoners, I will never run this race again.
3.0

By: Allen G.

Posted: December 10, 2007

GREAT RUN IN DALLAS

I run in Dallas all the time, but I've never found a route quite as good as that one. Nice and easy, and the spectators were out in force! Everything about the race was really well organized, except for after you crossed the line. Then it got hectic and everyone was lost, and I didn't know where anything was. Did they even have finisher's shirts? Because I didn't get one!!! And how do I go about getting one if I didn't get it? That and the medal are what make it fun! Thanks!
5.0

By: Pat T.

Posted: December 10, 2007

Awesome!

I live in Arlington. My first Dallas White Rock Marathon was in 2002. I ran my 1st Boston in 2003. Dallas White Rock course is... awesome! And I would like them to keep it just the way it is.
3.0

By: Connie Gumulauskis

Posted: December 09, 2007

Best big-city marathon in the USA

I have run all kinds of marathons since 1994 and Dallas race this year was the best organized, best laid-out and best supported race yet. I was so impressed. The post-race party afterwards also filled me with pasta, coffee, chips, fruit, smoothies and even beer (and I don't think the servers counted how many some runners were drinking). I will most definitely do this one again. Having never been in Dallas before, this race has given me a positive feeling for the city and its people. Dallas rocks!!! Tucson, which hosts its own marathon on the same weekend, has some serious competition.
5.0

By: jeff k.

Posted: November 05, 2007

easy on the mind

The Dallas White Rock is a great smaller marathon. The organization is fine. The expo was fun and the post-race party was a blast. But what I like most about Dallas is the course, which is easy on the mind - it's about ten miles from the downtown start on out through beautiful homes to the White Rock Lake and more beautiful homes. It's about nine miles around the lake and then you head home for the remainder of the race. The weather was cool in '06 and the race is basically flat. I will definitely do this one again!
4.0

By: Ron Gebhart

Posted: June 10, 2007

Great race with minor problems

First, the host hotel was awesome and within walking distance of the packet pick-up. The expo was ok, but we are runners. Who cares about buying a Hummer??? They gave away free hats but nothing to do with running. The race course was great; I did not train properly, and that will not happen again. However at one point I was almost run over by several marathoners. We who complied and stayed to the right lane to let them through were ok. The pasta meal deal was boring; I just wanted to eat and get to bed. The first bad thing I saw and felt at the end was the fact that there was a bottleneck and I felt like herded cattle. Second, I was only able to find the food by asking no volunteers to tell me where to go. People I ran with had no idea there was food. And the transportation back to the hotel was a bust - the locations kept changing. I will run this again in 2007. The crowd was not on my side.... I guess I should not have been wearing a New Orleans Saints t-shirt on a day Dallas played them. But the crowd was in good humor about my team, which did beat the Dallas Cowboys that night.... Great times.
5.0

By: Matt D.

Posted: May 14, 2007

Race was fun; organization leaves much to be desir

I drove from Ohio to do this race because I have family in the area. The expo was nice; packet pick up was unorganized but everything I needed was there. The morning of the race we had to catch shuttles to the starting line and when the driver said we were there he did not tell us that we had to walk a half-mile to the start line. The race was great; I enjoyed the crowd and the different themed water stations. Too bad it wasn't warmer for the Hooters girls, but I would have to agree with everyone else about the food afterwards. Everything seemed so bottlenecked getting around. But I am very surprised that there was no food left because some of the workers were very nasty about people taking food. We even named the beer lady "the beer nazi" because she kept kicking people out of line. It definitely could use some reorganization. My last complaint is the fact that today is May 14th and we have still yet to receive the certificates for completing and the results book. I have e-mailed everyone on the website and not one response. You will not attract repeat runners if you treat everyone like they do not matter.
3.0

By: Joe B.

Posted: May 11, 2007

Change the 1/2 Marathon Course!

Runners have been telling organizers for several years now that they need to change the half marathon course so that the marathon runners don't have to contend with the 1/2 walkers. This creates total chaos over the last five miles of the race. Particularly if you're shooting for sub-3, you're going to have to run extra distance as you weave around the walkers plodding along, four and five abreast. After running 21+ miles, dealing with this problem is very unpleasant. I will not run White Rock again until they change the half course and get the walkers out of the way. That's a shame, too, because it TOTALLY RUINS what is otherwise a very good race.
3.0

By: Kathleen B.

Posted: March 09, 2007

Okay marathon but where is the food?!?!

It was a wonderful day for a 1st-time marathoner finishing in 5:15. Many people were out cheering on the runners and the weather was almost perfect, except for some cold rain at the end of the race. The course was beautiful and all of the aid stations were fantastic. It was an unforgettable experience. My only complaint is: where was the food?!?!? Better organization needed in regards to the having food at the end of the race for the marathon runners. There was nothing left when I finished but beer and smoothies. I noticed several people that were not runners were eating all the food, which was not right! You should have separate tables for the runners and separate tables for the spectators. Or you need to have a lot more food!! That's part of what I paid $90 for when I entered, and food should be there for all of the runners that cross the finish line!
3.0

By: Paula A.

Posted: March 02, 2007

First-time 1/2 marathon; disappointed at finish

This was a great experience for me. I am 33 years-old and just started running in May 2006, with this being my goal race. Prior to May I had never even considered running 1 mile, much less 13.1. The goal was to finish, and I did. The course was perfect for a first-timer; the spectators and support were phenomenal. BUT... when I crossed the finish line they had run out of 1/2 marathon finisher medals. I was told one would be mailed to me... but as of today, March 2, 2007, I have not received it. It was heartbreaking to work so hard, and be disappointed at the end. According to the standings, there were over 250 finishers behind me. I know there will be other medals in the future, but there is nothing like the first time.
3.0

By: Ravine C.

Posted: February 22, 2007

What a great course!

I have to say, having the last 5 miles downhill was an absolute dream! The spectators, though thin around the lake, were wonderful in the neighborhoods! The number of bands seemed a little thin, but overall a great marathon!
5.0

By: anita j.

Posted: February 05, 2007

Where's the food???

Ok marathon. Very senic, great crowd support, and lots of fluids and stuff on the course. The problems came at the end. When I finished (5:00 - broke my foot) there was absolutely NOTHING left to eat. Not even a bagel, nor a banana. Unacceptable! Some people that I know who did the 1/2 didn't even get a medal because they ran out of medals. Someone dropped the ball on this marathon. I emailed the race director with questions and comments, as did others. No one has heard back from him/her. Go figure?? But hey, I loved Dallas!! A special shout out to the Dallas PD. They were all so nice and helpful.
3.0

By: Tim Y.

Posted: January 07, 2007

Great marathon, but...

The White Rock was my favorite marathon to date (my 3rd). The course is very good, although it is a bit tougher than a lot of people say. The course gently rolls all the way to the lake and then there was a fairly stiff breeze coming down around the lake. The spectators were OUTSTANDING. The Dallas PD does an exceptional job with traffic control. The expo was nice and the T-shirts are excellent. However, the major problem with this race is the 1/2 marathon merging at about the 22-mile mark. I was trying to run a 3:15 BQ when I hit the bottleneck. Like some of the previous posters, I dodged hundreds of people ambling along to a 2:30-2:40 1/2 finish, some of whom were walking 4 and 5 abreast. I wrote the race director and he said they are working with the City of Dallas to completely change the 1/2 course and keep it separate from the marathon. The only other issue I had with the White Rock was the AA Center. A lot of the staff in that place were rude - I guess they already hate their jobs and hated having to be there on a cold, rainy, Sunday morning. Overall, a great marathon.
4.0

By: David K.

Posted: January 02, 2007

Good half, but 2005 was better

I ran the half in both 2005 and 2006 and I think the organizers made the half a little worse this year. In 2005 both the half and full started at the same time, meaning the facilities at the start were terribly strained at the beginning, but if you were interested in running a fast time, you could get out in front and not worry about traffic down the line (I'm definitely not in that category, however). This year, the half started an hour after the full, which meant that at around mile 22 when both courses came back together to the finish, the traffic between the 2-hour halfers and the 3-hour marathoners was not so good. I would not have been happy if I were one of those running a 3-hour marathon pace only to be suddenly behind a whole bunch of slower halfers (me). Hopefully they won't do this again next year. Also, the finish at the half was not laid out very well compared to 2005 as the finish line was situated about 50 yards around a corner and the crowd (the crowd was great, by the way) was starting to close in on the corner, making a logjam within sight of the finish. The switch from PowerAde in 2005 to Gatorade in 2006 was a definite plus for the aid stations. Overall I really like this race, although it's the only one I've run (so I don't have much to compare it to), and I'll definitely do it again in 2007.
4.0

By: Juan W.

Posted: December 25, 2006

Nice Urban Course

I entered the White Rock Marathon this year with some initial trepidation, but in the end I was very pleased that I made the trip from the Pacific NW. The race organization was quite good, and it sounds as though the expo has improved dramatically from years past; I also stayed at the host hotel (Hyatt Regency) and found that to be a good choice and value. But these aforementioned things aren't all that important to me, as what I care most about at a marathon is the course: I like middle-of-the-road stuff when on the roads (not too nasty but not too easy either) - and this course was just that. A tad rolling, a nice big lake to circumnavigate, and some smallish hills late in the race where they can be a real test. And the wild card here will always be the wind: I thought the wind was a bit rough around the lake during the marathon, until I came back to Dallas the next Sunday to fly home and ran the lake that morning, and man did I feel stupid thinking that it was windy during the marathon, because it was REALLY blowing the next weekend. I'd say enter this race planning to deal with wind around the lake this time of year. The only other thing I'd like to add here is that I'd like to see more truth in advertising for race events like this one - this is, in reality, the Dallas White Rock HALF Marathon first and foremost, with an associated marathon on the side. When you have over twice as many half marathoners as marathoners, then that's the focus of the event. It is what it is. And if you're on the edge of running a BQ time, then you need to be very aware of the mass of half marathoners that you will encounter on the course during the 4 mile-stretch on Swiss Ave. between miles 21 and 25. My heart sank when I saw it, but you just need to stay composed and stay way to the left and just keep on keepin' on as best you can. They have every right to be there, and I'm not knocking them or the race for wanting to get as many runners involved as possible, but I wasn't fully aware of the magnitude of this merging of the courses, and it really caught me off guard. If you're looking at a 3:00-3:45'ish finish, then you better be prepared for this 4 mile-stretch where you go from running with a sparse group of runners to all of a sudden sharing the road with roughly 5,000 halfers. I wish there was a way they could re-route the half folks, but I understand it would pose quite the logistical quandary. But that said, the half marathon merger didn't ruin the overall feel of the event for me and I'll be recommending Dallas White Rock to others for sure.
4.0

By: Chris G.

Posted: December 23, 2006

Great race; will do it again

Really well organized race over a nice course, with a big enough field that you don't have to run by yourself, but not so big that you're crowded. The course is pretty fast, with enough variety to avoid monotony. There are a couple of inclines that seemed a lot less severe than advertised on the profile from the race website. When the half-marathoners merge with the marathon course the last 4 miles, the congestion is a hindrance, but dodging between the half-marathoners certainly takes your mind off of your other problems. I really enjoyed most of the bands; it'd be better to have the high-energy bands more towards the end of the race, instead of near the beginning. All in all, this race was among my favorites and I'd definitely recommend it for those looking to PR.
5.0

By: Nelson David

Posted: December 21, 2006

A fantastic marathon that's worth every mile!

A positively memorable first-timer's marathon, especially if you want to get your friends hooked onto this sport. A truly remarkable high-profile marathon. The organization was simple and user-friendly. The expo was definitely well organized that took into consideration the entire family. The finisher's shirt (dry-tech) was exactly what I was looking for. The spectators, crowd support, and entertainment were unbelievably outstanding and made every mile worth the effort. The aid stations were stocked with the right kind of stuff. If this marathon and its folks are a reflection of Dallas hospitality, then I would love to come back to this city.
5.0

By: Deborah T.

Posted: December 20, 2006

Great 1st Race

This is my first race ever and won't be my last. I ran the 1/2 marathon and loved the staggered start times. The 1/2 marathoners got a great start complete with the fighter jets flying over to start the race. The crowds were great! The volunteers were outstanding. Inside the American Airlines Center after the race was great -- lots of food and stuff to do. Will be back again next year!
5.0

By: Joe L.

Posted: December 20, 2006

If you can run 2:50-3:20, think before you enter

If you can run marathons pretty fast, but you are not elite, you might want to pass on this one. The half marathon started 1 hour after the full marathon, and the two races merged at about the 21.5 mile mark of the marathon (and then split about a half mile from the finish). At the merge I was suddenly trying to run 6:45/mile through a crowd of 10+/mile half-marathoners. I estimated from the results that I had to pass over 1000 half runners before we split off. By then I was with the half runners who were doing about 9:00/mile. In the narrow part of Swiss Avenue (before Fitzhugh) I accidently collided with someone who (understandably) was not expecting someone else to be flying through. After a few minutes of weaving through people, I lost my rhythm and focus, and I fell apart in the last 2.5 miles. If you are trying to qualify for Boston with a time of 3:20 or faster, or you just want to run a fast time, do your homework and figure out how many people you will have to pass after the merge based on this year's results. Then make an informed decision on whether to enter. If the organizers change the courses or start times, take that into consideration.
3.0

By: Carl L.

Posted: December 20, 2006

Great Event!

This was my first marathon and I thought it was well organized. Victory Plaza is a great place for the start finish. The jet fly-over is a nice touch. The medal, shirts and cold beer at the finish line were great!
5.0

By: Janee G.

Posted: December 19, 2006

First marathon - had a blast!

This was my first marathon and I had an awesome time. I thought the expo was great but my husband just doesn't enjoy looking at Gu and talking about running shoes like I do. The course was fine but very crowded! I was a solid middle-of-the-packer at 4 hours and 25 minutes. Too many bottlenecks at the aid stations and where the marathon met back up with the half. I loved the live music and the supporters were AWESOME! Favorites were the Dolly Parton guys handing out beer and the woman with the "SANTA SAYS NO WUSSIES" sign. Can't wait to run my next marathon!
5.0

By: Joe H.

Posted: December 19, 2006

Fix End of Course

Don't get me wrong, this is a good solid race: organization, course, goodies, medals, etc. I liked the race generally, but I have one major beef. Somewhere around 21 miles they merge you back in with the half-marathon runners who started an hour later. So, doing the math it's not hard to figure out that if you're about a 3-hour marathon runner (~7:00 pace) you'll be running the last 5 miles of the race in a sea of 2-hour+ half-marathoners (9:15 pace). This is almost intolerable when you're fatigued and fighting hard to stay on pace. Major bummer.
3.0

By: Mary C.

Posted: December 16, 2006

Well organized, good support and fast course

Host hotel, the Hyatt, was great. Shuttle bus service from Hyatt was super-efficient. They opened the American Airlines Center so that runners could wait in the warm until close to the start. Bag drop was easy, as was getting to the start. Plenty of aid stations and enthusiastic spectators all around the course. Clif Shots handed out at least twice in second half of the race. Running around the lake was cool - figuratively and literally... quite chilly, with wind off the water. Course is mainly flat; there are some hills at mile 20, but nothing scary. A good course for a PR. Nice medal. I am a slower runner, so by the time I finished, the post-race party at the AA Center was too crowded. But that is a minor issue. Overall, a very good experience.
4.0

By: Bob M.

Posted: December 16, 2006

This is a keeper...

Finding a parking spot was easy - one block from starting line and only $5. American Airlines Center is a nice place to wait before the race (even if the Mavericks do play there... ugh). Community Coffee stand was a great pre-race stop. Jumbo screens; F16 fly-over; guys dressed like Dolly Parton; free beer and/or cocktails at many spots along the course (I tried the beer); Swiss Avenue at Christmas time... WHAT A GREAT EVENT! Suggestions for improvement: NONE! LEAVE IT ALONE! IT'S FINE THE WAY IT IS!
5.0

By: Robert Hensley

Posted: December 16, 2006

Great atmosphere and organization.

This was my third marathon and it was well organized and the course was as advertised. The aid stations were the best. My only problem was: too much concrete.
4.0

By: Ralph S.

Posted: December 15, 2006

Run at your own risk

This is meant as constructive criticism and hopefully if taken to heart will make this a safer and better marathon. Volunteers were poorly trained or informed on handling medical emergencies and contacting medical personnel. The finish line medical tent was remarkably distant from the finish. Medical personnel were not readily identifiable. At the finish, water was not available until one progressed through the Mylar blanket area, medal section, chip removal area, finisher T-shirt tables, and post-race photography area. Water should be readily available at the finish for runners who need it. The finish area needs to be extended for at least another block so runners can keep walking. The short finishing area was so congested by spectators and runners that one could barely move through the crowd. If the WRM wants to be considered a big-time marathon, it needs to emulate the big-time marathons and recognize its obligation to provide a safe environment for the runner.
3.0

By: Paula D.

Posted: December 15, 2006

Well organized and enjoyable marathon

The 2006 event was very well organized. The water stations were supported by great volunteers and well stocked with water and Gatorade, the port-a-johns were well placed and plentiful, and the overall course and organization were excellent. This was my 10th and most enjoyable marathon.
4.0

By: Frank S.

Posted: December 14, 2006

Very good race

I ran White Rock in 2005 and 2006. My comments refer to both years since the race was essentially the same. Pre-Race: The expo is relatively large and packet pick up is a breeze. Having the expo in the Convention Center is nice, with plenty of room. I didn't partake of the pre-race pasta dinner but heard it was decent. Access to the AAC is great because you can stay warm and use real restrooms. The lines were long but that's to be expected. Just wish some of the spectators would give preference to runners. Not a big deal though. The race: The course winds through the Turtle Creek/Highland Park area and is gentle rolling hills for the first few miles. You then hit White Rock Lake and it's smooth, flat sailing for about 10 miles or so. The Dollys at mile 19-20 are not that difficult. The last 6 miles are relatively downhill and running through downtown is nice. The aid stations were well stocked and volunteers were enthusiastic. Police officers donate their time for the cause (Scottish Rite Hospital) and are to be commended for that. The only thing that is troublesome about the course if the half merge. It does get congested but it wouldn't be a big deal if those halfers would just stay to the right. Again, not a huge deal. I'm a mid-packer (3:45 range) and a few minutes here and there isn't going to kill me. Post-Race: The party is in the AAC. There's plenty of free beer, pasta, fruit, and other goodies to go around. Plenty of places to sit, relax, and chat with friends/family/other runners about the race. The Good: Decent course, nice support, two shirts, relatively inexpensive entry fee, good cause, decent crowd support, enthusiastic volunteers. The Bad: Not much except the half merge. They will more than likely fix this for next year. Bottom line: Probably the best race in TX and I'll be back.
5.0

By: CJ W.

Posted: December 13, 2006

Great course and crowd. Organization? Not so much.

This is my third marathon. I really enjoyed the course and the crowd. The hills are greatly overrated. The declines on the course more than make up for it. It was probably the best crowd I had ever seen for the first 9 miles before entering the lake area. The neighborhoods are nice and give you a lot to look at to take your mind off of the miles. It did get really quiet for the 10 miles around the lake. The expo was small and uncrowded, but very few give-aways and vendors. The shuttle to the expo was nice. The organization around the race was somewhat of a mess. We caught the first bus to the starting line and the driver seemed to be getting conflicting information about where to go. It took us a long time to get a few blocks. The bag drop and pre-race bathrooms were great. The post-race was a mess. The crowd of runners almost backed up to the finish line because of the temporary fences and the fact that they let the non-runners (family) come right up next to the finishing area and basically caused a huge logjam. There was no signage so I walked right past the medals and shirts and had to make my way back through the crowd to get them. I finished in under 4 hours and yet by the time we got into the AA arena, all the hot food was gone and the vendor was packing up. There was also no signage for the shuttle buses back to the hotel, which caused a lot of confusion. It turns out the buses were on the next block, but we stumbled into them by dumb luck. As for the spectators, it was difficult to get around. Again, this is because they had no detailed maps printed (like Nashville and Marine Corp had). Bottom line: I really enjoyed this marathon and I think the problems could be fixed if they just paid a little more attention to the details, such as signage and maps of the course.
4.0

By: Kim Chalmers

Posted: December 13, 2006

loved all the aid stations

My 13th marathon (some have been big, others small). Positives: Lots of bright orange porta-potties, nice course, fantastic spectators, lots of aid stations with great volunteers, two race shirts, free beer at the finish. Negatives: Toilet paper not replenished in nice bright orange porta-potties, only large or extra large unisex tech shirts at finish, limited food after race, lack of spectator control. All in all, a very good race. My biggest complaint is the after-race organization. No control over who is going where at the finish line and this spills over to the refreshment area. The average race time is around 4 hours and the runners who come in around, or after this time are the ones who most need a bagel or something substantial. We found a popcorn stand with a huge lineup mostly formed of non runners, a smattering of fruit, and some kind of cold fruit smoothie thing (the last thing you want when you are half frozen to start with). Lineups were huge due to non-runners lining up for free handouts. If Dallas really wants to become a great marathon, they need better crowd control at the finish line and a post-race meal/snack area that caters to the runners and their post-race needs first.
4.0

By: Crystal J.

Posted: December 13, 2006

Too much up and down with those streets for me!!!

Well organized, and the people were very friendly. Plenty of water stops. Great people that lived in the neighborhoods with snacks on tables in front of there homes. I just didn't like the streets that went up and down constantly. I just don't have that where I live, so it really made may legs tired fast. Finish line was nice, though you had to go through the crowd up and in the back of the building for some refreshments. I thought that was a bit much. City was great but didn't care for the route so much!! Going to the area that JFK was killed was interesting. Overall, I guess the trip was ok.
4.0

By: Michael S.

Posted: December 12, 2006

First one, lots of fun

This was my first marathon, so I don't have any basis for comparison on any of these comments. With that said, I had a great time on the course. They had volunteers reading out the times at each mile marker, plus visible clocks in 4-5 different places - I kind of expected more clocks, but it didn't bother me one way or the other. The number of spectators was just what I would look for (I'm not much of a crowd person though) - clumps of people here and there around the lake, crowds at each turn along the course, and lots of people partying in their front yards. I did run into traffic at the merge with the half, but I was tired enough that I really didn't care. I expected a little better quality on the post-race food, but it wasn't worse than any of the shorter races I've done. Next year I'll probably just go out to eat afterwards and avoid the crowd in the AAC.
4.0

By: Michael J.

Posted: December 12, 2006

First Marathon

This was my first marathon but definitely not my last! I had a great time - spectators were great, volunteers were great, aid stations were awesome and the weather was perfect! I will be back.
5.0

By: Angela H.

Posted: December 12, 2006

Great spectators! Nice finisher shirt.

This was my fifth marathon, and my first Dallas Marathon. Thanks to the fast, flat-ish course (the last six miles were all downhill!), I finally qualified for Boston! Yea! The spectators were phenomenal. There was plenty of water, Gatorade and potties (although there were only three that I could see at the start). The weather was way cooler than had been forecast, so my hands were cold, but I guess weather in Texas is a bit unpredictable in December. I was pleasantly surprised at all the goodies (standard cotton t-shirt, nice finisher shirt, really nice medal, and beer cups too!). I'd suggest organizing some kind of finish-line reunion system, similar to what's done in NYC. I spent over an hour in the chilly drizzle looking for my family. Also, part of the course runs alongside a highway, which was a little scary. Aside from that, this was a fantastic race. Highly recommended.
4.0

By: liz r.

Posted: December 12, 2006

Come on down to Big D

Wow, I was very impressed by this race. Well organized, peopled by famous runners - like Joan Samuelson and Frank Shorter - lots of pre-race bathrooms in the AA Center, and a pretty and not-too-hard course. The biggest problem I have with it is that it falls at a time of year when it is tough to get away. The host hotel, the Hyatt, was quite welcoming to runners. Eager-to-please staff, easy transportation, and no problem with late checkout. The only thing I'd change would be to offer a complementary bottle of water in the room. (I drank tap water, and avoided paying for the big bottle on the TV.) The expo was great! Bring your kids! It had a kids' area with a climbing wall and a jumper. Also, line dancing instruction, which was funny. The course is pretty - not urban, but suburban. Runners see pretty homes decorated for Christmas and then the lake. It isn't flat, but the hills aren't bad. Really. If you have done The Pig or Little Rock or even NYC, these hills are nothing to be afraid of. There was some congestion at the finish. Families pressing in and blocking runners from getting out. I hear that at some points the half people were in the way of the marathon finishers, too, but I didn't have a problem with that. I'd do it again.
4.0

By: Bob D.

Posted: December 12, 2006

wow

One of the best I've run. I won't repeat the other glowing comments.
5.0

By: Kevin B.

Posted: December 11, 2006

Fantastic organization/fantastic value

I come from Australia and this is my first marathon in the States, but of the 25 marathons I have done elsewhere, this is the best-organized, best-value marathon I have done. Two t-shirts, free beer at the post-race function, great medal, heaps of food and drink being offered on the course inclusive of gels. F18 flyover at the start, awesome expo (we usually don't have them at all in Australia). I think you guys have got it very, very good. Awesome crowd support and a great course for doing a PB. Topped up with a well structured website and organized by a board of volunteers. I think it is important to give credit where it is due. WELL DONE.
5.0

By: Michael G.

Posted: December 11, 2006

Good Course. Great Spectators

This was my second time doing this marathon and my best experience. I didn't run with my Mp3 player and I didn't miss it. The people there were great and very supportive; especially the people at miles 9, 12, 16, and 25 (it was incredible that they got all those people there). And the Dolly Parton boys at mile 19 were hilarious. Some of the water stations could have used a few more volunteers, but that was minor issue. The course itself is good, but I guess there is no escaping the climb during miles 19-21.
4.0

By: Jeff L.

Posted: December 11, 2006

A nice race to run

I enjoyed the course immensely. Unlike most urban marathons, this marathon always has something nice to look at, with no ugly neighborhoods or turns thrown in to make up mileage. Using the American Airlines Center was great as well. My only complaint this year was the finish area. Unlike every other marathon I've run, there was no food for the runners, unless you went into the arena, down the steps, and onto the floor. At least some bagels or bananas in the finishing area would have been nice.
4.0

By: Colin Henderson

Posted: December 11, 2006

Great race and aid stations

Althought White Rock is home (literally) and I love our race, I do believe that the change of the half course should be reconsidered. The relay is confusing enough to the full marathoners. Also, the last several hundred yards to the finish line should be more dramatic; pick another street and extend the barrier so we are not running through people walking the opposite direction.
5.0

By: Ima Casual Runner

Posted: December 10, 2006

A good race with obvious growing pains

I've done this race for the last 4 years... and this was the first time it felt impossibly crowded (I did the half). The biggest disappointment was the start - it took so long to get started, people seemed fixated by the giant video screens. The worst was the finish and the post-race party. Both were so crowded. The one-hour delay meant almost no food.... That means that anyone who didn't do a three-hour marathon gets to the finish and gets crumbs.
4.0

By: Be B.

Posted: December 10, 2006

GREAT EVENT (2006)

Thanks for a safe and effective event. In realization that this event is for the kids, those of us who support it and run each year, we'd like to see more activity with these kids the event. I realize that it is often hard to get these kids out and about, but... I for one saw a four year-old with leg issues this morning and it only inspired me more. These kids are precious and they need to be recognized in some manner.... We run 26.2 or 13.1 or relay for them - let's honor them during the 2007 marathon!!!!!!!!!!!! Let's get some to volunteer out there that will hold signs or ring bells at the corners - just generally make this event even more special than JUST A RACE... because we all know it is more than just a race/event!!!
5.0

By: Laurin S.

Posted: December 07, 2006

Great first-time marathon!

This was the first marathon I ran back in 2004. What a great experience for a first marathon. Those Dolly Parton-guys around mile 20 are the best!
5.0

By: Randy M.

Posted: December 07, 2006

Great Marathon

Despite the negative comments from the slow runner, this is a great marathon to run. The expo is wonderful and full of great stuff to look at and buy. Water stops and aid stations are well stocked. Those who want to be catered to should organize a marathon in Beverly Hills and hold a week-long expo. Great marathon, though.
5.0

By: Mark W.

Posted: December 06, 2006

A well organized marathon

I saw a previous post about water tables closing up early, etc. I ran the course in just under 5 1/2 hours. I was one of the slow runners. I found all the water stops manned and the volunteers friendly. When I finished the race I was offered plenty of sports drinks and was told to take as many as needed as I was dehydrated. they had a large stock of drinks left. I did not attend the post-race party so I do not know what that was like. The volunteers, aid stations, support personnel, etc. could not have been better. I cannot wait to run it again in four days. Keep up the good work, and remember that the proceeds go to the Scottish hospital for children.
5.0

By: Robert S.

Posted: November 25, 2006

Could have been so much better

If you are one of the slower runners who finish in five hours or more, find another race. Water stops closed shop, there were nothing but large finisher shirts left, and there were virtually no refreshments left at the finish line. The expo was a joke and the website is not much better. This race struck me as a big "money grab" with very little consideration for the runners who actually contributed the bucks.
3.0

By: Grayson Hill

Posted: September 05, 2006

Excellent for a first-timer!

This was my second full marathon. The terrain was flat for most of the run with the exception of the Dolly Parton Hills around the 20-mile mark. It was definitely a fun, easy run with plenty of live music and spectators along the way. The lake itself was enjoyable to run around.
5.0

By: Average J.

Posted: June 22, 2006

Please change the 1/2 M. course!

There's one thing holding this race down: the fact that the half marathon course merges with the marathon course in the last 4 miles. This results in a massive traffic jam as the marathon runners collide with the 1/2 walkers. It created total chaos. If the organizers would change the 1/2 course so that it does not share the later miles with the marathon, it would be five stars.
3.0

By: Russ K.

Posted: March 05, 2006

A great event to get your feet wet

This was actually my second marathon, but my wife's first. Course is relatively flat (with a few exceptions). Run around White Rock Lake is beautiful, EXCEPT, the city remains the same distance for about 9 to 10 miles on the skyline - you don't feel like you are getting anywhere. BUT, the people were great, spectators were great at cheering us on, and overall, it was a pretty darn good time.
5.0

By: Mike R.

Posted: February 21, 2006

Nearly Perfect Late Fall Marathon

I, like a huge majority of runners, enter races for the pure enjoyment of the experience. I like the atmosphere of big races, but the hassles often detract from the overall experience (traffic, parking, lines, insufficient bathrooms, running 12-minute miles for the first 5K, full-contact scrum at aid stations, etc.). And small races, while logistically simple, can be boring. I consider White Rock to be a medium-sized race and, true to form, it delivered the best of both worlds. At least for me. Not quite perfect, but close. Pre-race: Entry wasn't overpriced, website was good, course description (with profile) was very helpful. Race hotel (Hyatt) was very nice, cheap ($90), but crowded. Expo was busy, but lines were short. The pasta dinner was very good. The shuttles to the start were shockingly efficient and quick (no lines). Having access to the AA Arena bathrooms pre-race was a nice thought, but the lines to enter were extremely long. As was the line for the bag drop (hundreds of people). Lots of frustrated, anxious people. With 10 minutes to spare, I easily made my way to the 3:30 pace group. Flyover before the start was great. Race: It only took me 8 or 10 seconds to get to the starting line after the gun (compared to 12 minutes in Paris). And within 100 yards, I was running my own pace without crowds to block me. Weather was perfect. The course out to the lake wound through neighborhoods, with lots of crowd support. There was a gradual incline from Mile 4 to 7, but I didn't really feel those hills. The section between Miles 9 and 19 is a flat circle around the lake. Very nice place to run. Support only at the aid stations. As we reentered the neighborhoods, I was feeling great. But the hill from 20 to 21 is tougher than it looks, it never seemed to stop, and it wiped me out (or it could have just been Mile 21 that wiped me out, or a combo). The last 3 miles are flat/slightly downhill, but the crowds were largely absent, and it was a struggle - at least for me - to finish. The volunteers were great, there was plenty to eat and drink, and the course was safe and well-controlled. Post-race: Finish line was great. Very wide, lots of spectators. I had tons of refreshments right there, but I was one of the first 250 to get there, so it was probably a different story for those behind. Because I had read the website, gone to the expo, and read the race guide, I knew that the post-race party was in the AA Arena. Not sure how anyone could have missed it. Sure, we had to walk down stairs into the arena floor, but it was a small price for a great party. Free beer, lots of food, music, 20,000 seats. Couldn't find the massage, but again, there was beer. Shuttle back to the hotel was just as efficient and easy. Results were up almost immediately. Came away with two nice shirts. Can't wait to return.
4.0

By: Clyde L.

Posted: January 26, 2006

Next Time I'll Do Better

It was harder than I expected... but then I did a lot of things wrong. I started off faster than I trained (so much for the negative split)... ate too late (1 hour before... if only I had read that Hal Higdon book earlier... dang), and used some gels when they always make me sick. I broke the rule, "Run how you train." Anyway, the weather was perfect, and the run was through some very nice areas. Crowd turn-out was good... but I must admit Houston has better support - but not better parking. All of the folks at the aid stations were exceptional. It's now a local race for me, so I'll beat those Dollies next year.
3.0

By: Nick E.

Posted: January 17, 2006

Local, Good One

This was the first marathon I have ever run. Very nice, good course, scenic running around White Rock Lake. If it had more spectators and runners, then it would have to be in the running to be a top-10 marathon.
4.0

By: William T.

Posted: December 31, 2005

Super race! Enjoy Dallas.

I ran this after a five-year absence, and enjoyed it the most of any I've run.
4.0

By: William T.

Posted: December 29, 2005

Super race after doing back-to-back marathons

Excellent organization of a stellar event! Well marked and the police were very helpful.
4.0

By: Lan R.

Posted: December 20, 2005

GREAT COURSE but poorly organized start/finish

The host hotel had great rates and I would recommend you stay there especially if you are from out of town. It was a great course, kept you from being bored running the same terrain. And I loved seeing the Dollies, just wish I had a picture of them! Great aid stations and crowd support. The Clif Bar pace team I ran with was a great boost and Leesa kept us going. I kept trying to figure out how she could run with that 'cowboy' hat on and not sweat! Thanks Leesa for your support. I was extremely disappointed in the AAC. First you had to stand in line to go through a metal detector that no one seemed to care if it went off or not so just what was the purpose. Then after getting inside I was told the baggage check was outside and around the other side. The line for the baggage check was ridiculously long. I did see the F/A-18 flyer over, but didn't realize there was a horse and cowboy starting the race. I also had trouble getting to the Clif Bar pace team leader since other runners didn't want to let me through. Suggest they use the left side next time since it's easier to get through. After finishing the race I didn't see any food or drinks other than water. No signs to direct you to where there was food and drinks. I also didn't appreciate the cones in the road for no apparent reason and saw several people stumble over them. Overall it's a great marathon and hopefully the organizers will fix the start and finish line problems.
4.0

By: Tim S.

Posted: December 20, 2005

Over all a pretty good marathon

Here are my comments and suggestions (many of these based on comparisons with previously run marathons). Thumbs up: -Beautiful run around the lake. -Lots of helpful volunteers. -The Dallas Police Dept. -Frequent and fun water/PowerAde stops. -Great medal and t-shirts. -Wonderful weather. -The Dolly Parton 'Dollys' -Use of AA Arena Room for Improvement... -Please post no-parking signs along ALL streets... parked cars caused for some botttlenecks and stride-busting moments. -More complete race packet... safety pins (I heard many people mention they missed them at check in), maps, garment bag. -Stagger half start and full start... again, caused for several bottlenecks during the many sharp turns through first few miles (Grandma's Marathon in Duluth is good example of handling this). Overall a very good experience. Thanks folks of Dallas!
4.0

By: Marty Schaivone

Posted: December 16, 2005

Certainly worth the trip from Connecticut!

OK, all the previous commentators are correct when it comes to the placement of food. The reason it didn't affect me as much is that I had absolutely no soreness at all despite one of my better times (3:09), thus walking down and then up the steps to get food was not an issue. And there was A TON OF FOOD! AND FREE BEER! HELLO PEOPLE! So limp your way down and enjoy!! But alas it is true - you had to find out where/and how to get there. I didn't see food signs, and as a race director for 16 events in CT, I was being really observant. I agree that immediate food of some sort should be available as close to the finish as logistically possible for those who truly need it. Now, take that away and it is IMPOSSIBLE for me to come up with another negative! Geez the course was terrific and not anything like the course profile might have indicated. Hills were not that difficult and the ones at 19-20 a friend warned me about were rather mild. After that, a terrific last 5 miles are downhill and flat.... Can you ask for anything more? This course had all the elements and reminded me of Philly, Vermont, & N'Awlins. ONE minor suggestion: I personally like the water AFTER the PowerAde so as to flush the taste and clear the palate - especially if I have just downed a gel pack. But the water stops were absolutely fantastic and friendly. And how many green-vested course guides did you see? It seemed like hundreds! I agree the media could take a larger role and let's hope it happens for this event. But hey - you are talking a PRO Sports tow,n so you have to have room for the Mavericks and the Cowboys - both of whom had home games that weekend. TIP: I got a $100+ Dallas Mav ticket for $30 by waiting till 5:30pm and buying a single ticket. You could also sit higher up for just $5! If I had been smart and bussed out to the Cowboy game after the marathon, I might have gotten in there - then I'd have had very unique sports triathlon weekend! I will definitely try to get back to this event. Dallas is a great city with terrific restaurants, and it was not expensive to stay in. Steamtown (PA) is my #1 marathon course, and this is now easily in the top 3. And one more thing: If you DID NOT get into the arena you missed one of the most FANTASTIC bands of any post-race celebration. There were 12 pieces... with horns, great singers, & very danceable! Every bit as good as 'Nik & the Nice Guys' who have graced the Utica Boliermaker post-race stage for 10 straight years! Get your butts to Dallas - a great "fail safe" marathon if you have a bad October/Nov. experience anywhere else!
5.0

By: Jeff V.

Posted: December 16, 2005

A very good marathon you should try

The weather was perfect! The course was in great shape. Lots of rest stops. The girls... err guys at the Dolly Parton Hills.... The crowds were wonderful. The police were the best I have seen. Nice shirt, nice medal. Lots of bands playing music. This race could be great... and almost is a great marathon. A good time of year, a good route, and a dedicated team putting on the race.... They just lack the edge and ideas to move from a good race to a great race, it seems. Okay, the negatives are what I care about when choosing a race. The expo was average at best for a larger race. New Balance did not have licensed race merchandise. There a booth called "The Rock Shop" but it wasn't a New Balance booth, and it was not in expo, but in the packet pickup area. There were not staff or volunteers at the AAC to tell you where to go. And what went wrong with bag check? Lines longer than the bathroom lines. The ACC is rather inconvenient to use with the small outside ring crowding people into a small area... again without much in the way of directions or information on where to go. Maybe they can give up on the downtown location and find a better venue where people can find their way around better. Don't they have a convention center or something with hotels, parking and large open space??? Just find a local and hang on to them to find the food or anything else after the race... and before the race to find baggage check. I hate confusion before a race, and I am easily confused after a race... and nobody likes crowds. Hey, it is a good event; just needs some fresh blood and a fresh point of view. There is nothing bad about the event.... Well, maybe no pre-race food (unless I never found it), some minor confusion due to lack of staff at the start and finish area, but great crowds and an excellent route. But Texas has several good marathons.... We need a great one. White Rock needs to step it up a notch and take that role. Houston is a touch too humid, and Austin, San Antonio, and Dallas can't seem to make it into the big time. You need a good goodie bag, a great expo, and some traffic directing at the AAC... and at the expo for that matter. Can we think about the convention center or some place that isn't confusing???
4.0

By: Kevin L.

Posted: December 15, 2005

Yee-haw! Great marathon w/ free beer afterwards!

I was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed this marathon. I just ran the NYC marathon in Nov., so this was a very different (and dare I say, even better) experience. The weather was ideal on race day (chilly at the start, but in the 50s by the finish). The course is flat, and the 'Dolly Parton Hills' at mile 20 weren't that bad (especially with the guys dressed up as Dolly Parton manning the water station distracting runners!). The decline starting at mile 21 definitely made the last 5 miles go by quickly. I was really impressed with the amount of food (and free beer) in the AA Arena after the race, which definitely beats the apple and PowerBar from the NYC Marathon. Overall, I would highly recommend this marathon to anyone looking for a fast course. The number of runners was good (never bumped into other runners, yet never felt alone). My only suggestions is to have water/PowerAde at the start, and to close off more streets to traffic. There were several intersections with police officers directing cars across when there were gaps in the runners. This worked out well (thank you Dallas Police!), but I'm sure the drivers weren't pleased with having to wait. After all, we don't want to antagonize the non-runners out there. Also, crowd support could've been better (nothing compares to NYC), so more of them could've screamed 'Yee-haw' when we ran by.
5.0

By: Mary L.

Posted: December 14, 2005

First-time marathoner and will be back next year.

I am a first-timer, and from Dallas, so when I decided to run a marathon, I thought I would run it here. The weather this year was great, upper 50's, not to windy, and the sun was out to warm us up. The aid stations were great with plenty of water and PowerAde, oranges, and carb bars. The race was well organized, and the Dallas Police were on hand and did a great job with traffic control. There were plenty of supporters who line the streets with their signs, water, and beer, and were great support for those last few miles. The fighter jets that did the fly-by while the national anthem played was a great sight, and it pumped everyone up. I'll definitely have to run it again, so hopefully I'll see y'all there. :)
5.0

By: Jim W.

Posted: December 13, 2005

Easy race to run

Experienced marathoners should seriously consider this race. Positives: a) Loop course makes logistics very easy. b) Course is flat enough to be really fast. c) Weather is unpredictable but often great. (In 2005 there was perfect weather. Normal highs and lows are also perfect.) d) There just aren't enough good winter marathons and this is one of them. e) Scenery is OK as you tour through a variety of neighborhoods in Dallas. Negatives: a) Spectators are very few. If you have run Boston, NY, Chicago - then this is a very, very different experience. b) Beer servings at mile 20 are too small!!!
4.0

By: Joe Vasil

Posted: December 13, 2005

Excellent! Excellent! Excellent!

There is a saying that everything is bigger in Texas, and the marathon certainly lived up to expectations. This is by far my favorite race, and not because I achieved a PR. The organization was phenomenal, from the expo, to the shuttle to the start, to being able to use the bathrooms inside American Airlines Arena as well as the usual portable facilities. It was cool to have a fly by of 4 jets at the start of the race, and then we were led by a cowboy on horseback to start off. That gave me a bit more adrenaline. The course was beautiful, going through a very nice part of Dallas. 10 miles went around White Rock Lake. The crowd support was just right, with 10-15 areas having live music (I lost count) throughout the race. There were water stops at almost every mile, and oranges and bananas were passed out at many of the later stops. The course was of medium difficulty, with the worst hill coming at mile 19 and beyond 20. The only minor negatives were longer disbursement time from the start than usual, some cones separating lanes on the road between the 4th and 5th mile that could have easily caused runners to trip, and some crazy lady that pulled her car right into the course lanes while we approached her. Many yelled at her, and you could see her saying something back that definitely was not, "Sorry." All in all, a great race, and highly recommended.
5.0

By: Terry K.

Posted: December 12, 2005

Great marathon with a disappointing finish

I completed this marathon yesterday. Overall I was pleased and would recommend it. The course was scenic and interesting, a bit hilly, but I expected that so I wasn't surprised. Crowd support was a little light, and the majority of the bands weren't playing when I went by, but I had my iPod, so I was fine. Police did a great job stopping traffic and there were plenty of friendly volunteers wherever the course turned to make sure you didn't get lost. One of the main reasons I picked this race is that the course is open for 7 and a half hours. I finished in 6:45 and was disappointed at the finish. I had to ask where to go to return my chip, there was NO food and I went to the medical tent to ask for a bottle of water. As you exit the finish area to go back into the American Airlines Center, there had been booths, but all of them were taken down or in the process of shutting down. In my previous marathon experiences, you wandered through the finish line area like a zombie and people shuffled you around, handing you your medal, removing your chip, wrapping a space blanket around you, giving you a bottle of water and pointing out the food area. If the course if officially open for 7:30, then I would expect that the finish line activities be going on until the official end of the marathon. Those of us who are out there for 6+ hours would really appreciate a post-race bagel.
4.0

By: Edward L.

Posted: December 12, 2005

Great Till The Finish Line

Never seen a race with an utter lack of finish-line food or drink. Upon completing the race all I could find was a bottle of water and Rock Star Energy drink. Runners 6 hours and beyond I spoke to had to ask the medical people for some water at the finish. Finally after walking to my car I found out that food was in the American Airlines Center at the floor level at least 30 steps down. Good luck walking up and down stairs after a marathon. This was my 8th marathon this year and the most low budget finish line refreshment I've ever seen. Race director, please see the Marine Corps Marathon model on how to take care of runners at the end of a marathon.
3.0

By: Darren S.

Posted: December 12, 2005

A near perfect event

I've run a few marathons, but this was my first experience in the White Rock. There are many things to praise about this race, and only a few minor issues. Highlights--the expo was very nice and conveniently located in the host hotel. The hotel (Hyatt) had a good rate and reasonably priced parking and was also located near the DART rail so access was really good. I highly recommend anyone running the race stay at the Hyatt as long as they host and offer a good rate. The staff and facilities were superior. Next to the volunteers and spectators. Obviously it takes a lot of people to make something like this happen, and I was very impressed with the enthusiasm of the volunteers both at the packet pick-up and at the aid stations. Those folks really are great ambassadors for Dallas. A decent number of people came out to cheer on their friends and all runners. I lost count of the number of bands that played along the route. The only part of the race where the crowds thinned was in towards the end as the course winds on some backstreets downtown. Having the AA Center available to runners before the race was extremely beneficial as it kept us out of the weather and allowed the use of real bathroom facilities. Having two starting lines was also a good idea. The course itself was very pretty, winding through upscale and middle-class neighborhoods, and of course around the beautiful White Lake. Elevation was not extremely dramatic, even on the infamous Dolly Parton Hills. I definitely walked thinking that Dallas was a beautiful city. Of all the marathons I've run, Dallas had the best aid stations by far. Having fluids available nearly every mile made a tremendous difference, both physically and psychologically. And Clif Bar was extremely generous with gels the last half of the race. Kudos to the folks who decided to do this many aid stations and also to those who volunteered to staff them. The only 'area for improvement' I'd list is one I've read from previous years--the organizers need to put signs up directing people to the post-race food and shuttle busses. I was a stranger in Dallas and after the race I had to ask a cop where the shuttle buses were, only to be misdirected. The only reason I knew the food was in the AA Center was that I read it on this site--even inside the AA building it was extremely confusing on the *authorized* way to get down to the food. The last thing anybody needs is to finish a marathon and have to stumble around in a strange city to find food and shuttle buses. A few well placed signs and none of this would be an issue. The organizers really do an outstanding job putting this on. I wish the local news stations recognized this, as I watched multiple newscasts for 2 days, and heard nothing--including no useful information on race weather. This isn't a complaint about the organization or the race, merely the Dallas media who didn't seem to appreciate that a world-class event like this was occuring in their city.
5.0

By: Alan S.

Posted: December 12, 2005

Having to pay for parking and arena entrance wait

I ran the 1/2 marathon. I would not do this as an in-towner again because car parking was $5.00 and the line to enter the arena was very long so that you could pass through the metal detectors. Pre-race was a mess. Start and course were okay. Lots of bands and music, and good water support.
3.0

By: David Homan

Posted: June 02, 2005

I enjoyed this race and recommend it to my friends

DALLAS WHITE ROCK MARATHON – Race Report by David Homan I made a quick trip to Texas last month to run the Dallas White Rock Marathon on December 12. The race course starts in downtown Dallas at the American Airlines Arena (where their basketball team, the Mavericks, play) and makes a big loop to the north and east around White Rock Lake. I lucked out with incredible weather - 50F at the start, light breeze, low humidity, sunny and clear blue sky, 60-65F by finish time. The organization and expo were nice, and the crowd support was pretty good, too. In addition to the individuals running the marathon, there is a half-marathon at the same time and several hundred 5-person relay teams that do the full course. This totaled up to almost 10,000 runners, which explains the good spectator turnout. The first 8 miles meander from downtown through various neighborhoods. There are rolling hills for this section that first pass trendy urban residential condos, then large mansion-like estates, and finally quaint suburban homes. The middle 10 miles are mostly flat and follow the shoreline of White Rock Lake. Very scenic and pleasant. I took off my singlet around the lake to get some sun, (hey, whad’ya expect, I’m a triathlete from Florida), but during the miles while I was wearing it, I heard several shouts of “Go Mad Dog!” It was nice to hear. The last 8 miles go through another historic neighborhood back to downtown. A lot of the residents that live along the course were out in their yards having holiday parties, drinking eggnog and watching us run. The official race photographers, Sport Photo, did a great job of catching the moment on film - lots of great pictures. Also, the last few miles of the course are mainly downhill and at a very gradual decline that doesn’t kill your quads. This was great for picking up the pace at the end. In fact, this was my fist marathon with a negative split (1:37/1:32). The post-race shindig in the AA Arena was also nicely done, with cold beer, a live band, lots of food, beer and plenty of tables and seating. So if you’re looking for a nice long run in the Lone Star State next December, consider the Dallas White Rock Marathon.
4.0

By: Joshua T.

Posted: May 23, 2005

My hometown race

Well, it's been a few months, and the sting from my pathetic performance has worn off a little bit, so my comments can be taken more seriously now! I had an awful race, and had I rated it anytime soon after running it, I probably would've given it 1 star for everything! This is my hometown marathon and I frequently race in Dallas along all the parts of the marathon, especially White Rock Lake. For out-of-towners, White Rock Lake is a great urban lake to run around, and a very scenic part of the race. Crowd support is sparse around the lake, but that can't really be remedied, as there isn't a whole lot of room except for at various points. The course is deceptively challenging, but not overly difficult. I think you could run a PR on this course, although it isn't a PR course, if you catch my drift. The first 8-9 miles have some small rolling hills that can take more out of you than you'd expect. The part around the lake is flat, and there are some significant, although short, hills after leaving the lake. The last 5 are flat and/or a little downhill, so it can make a strong finish provided you have anything left. In Dallas, you can never predict the weather, and this year it was about 60 degrees. Last year it was about 40. You can't predict the winter weather in Texas, but I think they could start the race an hour earlier to beat the heat that probably occurs every other year. Organization was good; the only snafu I witnessed was that the chip-reading machine was down for about 20 minutes as I was getting my packet. The expo was much better than the last one I had attended (Marine Corps). Crowds are okay - don't count on them to pull you along as a lot of the crowds are not very boisterous. Since I live 20 minutes from the starting line, I'll do it again. If I had to travel... well, maybe. It's certainly a nice event, but with the uncertainty of the weather, I think I'll probably opt for the half-marathon next year.
3.0

By: Lea V.

Posted: April 11, 2005

A nice well run marathon

I have run this race 4 times and it is always nicely organized and supported. This is a nice dependable race, always well done. The course takes you on a nice tour of Dallas and is well supported.
5.0

By: robin r.

Posted: January 27, 2005

great family atmosphere

Great weather: cool, but sunny. Great drink stations, fantastic medal and t-shirt. Great expo and fantastic ex-top-class runners that can answer everything you need to know about the distance. Pre-race and post-race parties were a big plus, and all for a fantastic charity.
4.0

By: Edward W.

Posted: January 18, 2005

Well run race

This is a fun race over a pleasant urban course. The run around the lake was nice. This isn't a terribly flat course, but it's not a killer. The organization was terriffic. Absolutely no complaints.
4.0

By: John M.

Posted: January 05, 2005

Superb Event

This is a wonderful event. I travelled from the U.K. to run the marathon (my 117th) and it was such a rewarding trip. The organisation was impeccable. Great touches like the cowboy on horseback firing the rifle to start added to the enjoyment.The course has a nice mix of terrain - pleasant suburbs, several miles around a pretty lake with, latterly, the Dallas skyline showing on the horizon. The weather co-operated with a nice dry heat(not oppressive). Highly recommended.
5.0

By: James J.

Posted: December 28, 2004

2ND TIME'S THE CHARM

A great day... and a PR (3:58). This being only my second marathon I don't really have anything to compare it to (Cowtown being my first). What a world of difference... the split start is a nice plan but I think it would be better off merging with the half and full runners a mile or two later in the race. The F-18 flyover gave me chills. The fireworks and shotgun start from the 'cowboy' was a nice Texas touch. The spectators were wonderful along the way. I never felt alone. Water and Powerade at every aid station; I almost didn't know what to do... The course was flawless in my humble opinion. A fair blend of the lake and city. The Dolly Parton hills were more gentle than I was led to think. A special thanks to the Cliff Bar pace team (4:00) and the relay runner I talked with a mile to the finish. Oh and one more thing: AAC bathrooms were great, and the stairs to the AAC floor were not as bad as I expected.
5.0

By: Ryan F.

Posted: December 27, 2004

Great event, well organized.

I loved this race. I wasn't sure how my training went, just because I didn't obsessively plan it out like normal, but I PR'd in rather warm (for me at least) temps. Two negatives. First, did some of the many water stations use lake water? Some of the water or Powerade tasted like it was poured through some of my old socks. Second, getting food at the end was confusing for me, never found a 'bag' to put my junk in, and some mean lady wouldn't hand me a little box. I mean, come on, I just ran 26.2 miles. I couldn't put my Sprite, cookies, bag of chips and apple in a box and leave? No, well, thanks. The best part, though, was all the food on the course, both provided by the race and by nice spectators. I don't think I've ever had so much to eat during that long of a run. The beer was a little too soon (perhaps I shouldn't have had three), and right before the 'Dolly Partons.' How about at the top of the hill? Plenty of race officials, police (someone said they all volunteered and weren't getting paid, wow!) and volunteers. They did a great job, minus the mean old lady! Not being from Dallas, I thought the course was very nice. The last few miles you catch up with some half walkers, and get passed by 'relay' runners. You know, perhaps that could be a negative, too. Having folks fly pass you around mile 24 (as they are just into their 2nd or 3rd mile) is a little bothering to the ego, but oh well. Highly recommend this race, and expect to run it again.
5.0

By: Mark M.

Posted: December 20, 2004

Overall, very good

Overall, this was a great race. Good course- mostly flat with some moderate hills around 20-21. The only negative was having to dodge the walkers/slow joggers that entered in the half marathon over the last several miles of the course. Other than that, this is a great one. PLENTY of water stops, which was nice on a not-so-cool day. One word of warning: Texas weather in December is COMPLETELY unpredictable. It could be 70 degrees one day and 7 degrees the next. However, the race organizers can't do anything about that. The only thing that kept this from being five stars is the fact that I had to dodge half marathon walkers in the last miles of the race. Overall, highly recommended.
4.0

By: Paul D.

Posted: December 19, 2004

well worth the trip

I flew down from the Northeast for this marathon. I have to say that everything was very smooth and run vert efficently. I will mention the pros and cons of the race. Pros: 1) Excellent set up at the hotel, was able to check in before noon and check out at 4 PM the next day for a one-night rate. Bus to and from the hotel to the start was also very smooth. 2) Aid stations were fantastic, there were plenty of them. I usually run with a belt that holds water, etc and I hardly needed it - I could have run without it (I could not say that about any of the other 5 different marathons that I have done). 3)The course was a nice mix between the lake (nature) and the city. 4) Decent size race crowd; it wasn't too crowded, even with the half and the relay, yet you were not out there alone 5) Listening to Bill Rodgers and Frank Shorter at the expo, who are two of the GREAT US marathoners, was extra special. The other speakers were also noteworthy, but these two were who I listened to. 6) Decent crowd support along the route, nothing can compare to NYC, but for most (but not all) parts of the course had some crowd support, as well as the music which included Christmas carols. Cons (and these are very, very minor points): 1) The weather at about 60 and sunny was a little warm during the later stages of the race, but no fault of the organizers. 2) Perhaps could have more than two photo points (Mile 18 and the finish). 3) The expo seemed a little cramped. Again the cons are very, very minor points. I would have no hesitation to do this race again, if the opportunity presented itself.
5.0

By: John L.

Posted: December 18, 2004

Great race that is getting better

I started running White Rock in 2001. This year was my 4th in a row and it is getting better each year. The course is the best that Dallas can offer. The race is well organized and including the half and relay, it is getting close to 10,000 runners. The spectators in Dallas are small in number (apart from Swiss Ave. where it seems every house gives their full support) but very supportive. The race director listens to the runners and improves facilities every year. It may not be Boston, New York or Chicago, but it is great mid-sized marathon.
4.0

By: Ronald R.

Posted: December 18, 2004

A great race and a great time

This was the most fun marathon I ran this year. The crowds and the bands provided great support for the runners. There where adequate hydration points along the course. I want to give a special thanks to the 4:15 Cliff Shot pacer. You inspired me to do my best! Keep on striding...
4.0

By: Ouida Davis

Posted: December 17, 2004

OUTSTANDING

This was the second most favorite of all marathons that I've done. No. 23 for me. From having gone around the United States running, I'd have to say Dallas is certainly a most unforgettable race. The spectators were there to cheer you on non-stop and it was not overkill like in the Big Apple. The food was plentiful and the music was great. I loved reading the signs posted from mile to mile. And I found the race to be quite scenic. Thanks for the F-16 fighter jets and thanks to 'Cody' for kicking the race off with his big horse, cowboy hat and shotgun!!!!!!
5.0

By: Kristin B.

Posted: December 16, 2004

Great day for a run

I had a really great time running this marathon. The course was beautiful, there was plenty of water and Powerade, the all-volunteer staff was first rate and the spectators that came out were all very nice. The only problem I noticed was that a lot of the relay teams seemed to get lost along the course. I thought this marathon was fabulous, I loved the weather (which was a little warm that day), loved the city, and had a wonderful time running to benefit the hospital. Thanks for a job well done!
4.0

By: Angus G.

Posted: December 16, 2004

Hidden gem of a winter marathon

Only entered this in 2004 as an after-thought, but really glad I did. It's an absolute cracker of an event, and I imagine its popularity will only grow. The expo was an unexpected feast of activities and celebrities. Just as a taster, Bill Rodgers, Frank Shorter and Dick Beardsley gave talks and took questions. Small enough audience for it all to feel really intimate. Best pasta party I've ever attended, with real cutlery, linen and great variety of food. My wife refuses to attend pasta parties on the grounds of lousy food and all-round revulsion, but even she would have respected this one... damn. Efficient organization and start at the American Airlines Center with the luxury of real toilets! Only downside was the $5 charge for parking, but that seems to be becoming the norm. Wide roads and well organized starting point. Course is interesting and variable, if a bit undulating. Through city for 5 miles, the nice neighborhoods for next 4 miles (many having early morning lawn parties as they cheered) then 10 miles round a beautiful lake and the last 7 miles through (hilly, but very supportive) neighborhoods and the city. Fantastic refreshments every mile or so, with water, Powerade and food. Even had a (private) beer point at 19 miles - honest, and runners even used it! Finish was well managed. Given how well everything else was managed, I was surprised by the lack of anything other than water and Powerade at the finish. It was only the next day I learned that there was lots of food (and more beer) available INSIDE the American Airline Center. No one told me that. Genuinely fantastic event, well managed and supported. Now in its 35th year, I'm surprised it doesn't get a bigger push from runners. It feels to me like a mini-Boston rather than just another provincial event. Highly recommended.
4.0

By: Robert Lopez

Posted: December 15, 2004

Good race

This is a very solid race. Well organized - the only reason I don't give it 5 stars for organization is because of the expo. The race itself is great... water stops around every curve, tons of porta-potties, music, and wonderful volunteers. The expo was fairly large and had lots to look at. For whatever reason, the sales folk seemed to be a little more assertive at this expo than others. Not my style. The expo opened at 8:30. Packet pick-up started a few minutes earlier. T-shirt pick-up started a few minutes late, which was no big deal except they were a bit rude at first while the line built up. But the chip test station? They didn't START setting up their equipment until about 8:45, and thanks to Murphy's Law, it didn't work. After waiting semi-patiently for 20 minutes, I gave up. Hopefully, they got it going soon thereafter. Anyway, for those of us who like to be in/out of the expo as early and quickly as possible, it didn't work out that way. The race itself was good. Cool flyover and fireworks pre-start. Nice course; saw a good bit of Dallas, which is saying something considering how spread out Dallas is. Good number of spectators. Good traffic control, except in a couple places between miles 20-24. 10,000 people raced in the marathon and the half (which shares part of the course with the marathon). Unlike, say, the Country Music Marathon, it did not seem overly crowded. Weather was perfect for me, perhaps a bit warm-ish for others. Blue skies, low humidity. Unfortunately, weather in Dallas this time of year is completely unpredictable... so don't use my weather report as a positive for entering in 2005. Based on other comments from last year, I was ready for the annoyance factor of getting into the AA Center and down the steps. It really wasn't that bad... and the post-race food and beer was totally worth it. Being able to use actual bathrooms before/after the race was also totally worth it. I'll do this race again. It compares favorably to Rocket City and Honolulu (although, alas, you ain't in Hawaii)... two other races usually held the same weekend.
5.0

By: Wade Morris

Posted: December 15, 2004

Good Race

I have run this run for a couple of years and love the course. It is a bit hilly but I am from Alabama and the Texas hills do not compare. There were more runners than last year but the organization was not ready for it I guess. Overall, I did enjoy the race but hope that they can handle the crowd organization at the start line next year.
3.0

By: Shawn R.

Posted: December 14, 2004

Disappointed

While I have been to other marathons as a spectator, this was the first one that I participated in. So maybe I'm naive about course details but this marathon missed what I would consider the basics. For example, there were aid stations that had run out of Powerade (this was within the the first 10 miles and I was not running that slow - 11/m). It wasn't until mile 19 that any fruit was offered (by the way, this was the only station that offered it and there was very little of it). There was no food of any kind offered at the finish line. I was told later that all the food was inside the arena approx. 150 yards away. No signs made mention of this. The entry fee was $75 and I'm not sure where that money went. It sure didn't go into the shirt design (event or finishers). I will say that the fanfare (fireworks, fly-over, etc) and finisher's medal was very nice but, given a choice between a nice medal or fluids\fruit on the course, I'll take the fluids.
4.0

By: Joseph C.

Posted: December 14, 2004

Well run and organized

It was warm this year with the race being run with temperatures in the 50-70 degree range. This is about 20 degrees warmer than normal. The race was well run from from the start, dual start lines for the full marathon and the half/relay. Lots of port-o-johns along the course with 3-5 at each aid station. Plenty of aid stations as well, almost 1 every mile. The 4-jet F-16 flyover was great at the start. Lots of entertainment along the course as well with over 30 bands/performers. Plenty of spectators too with the temperature being that nice for them. I've run this marathon many times and this was their best year ever. Lots of food at the finish even for the slower runners. This had been a problem in the past with all the half marathoners finishing first. This year, that problem was fixed.
5.0

By: Corina C.

Posted: December 14, 2004

Awesome race for a first-timer

Incredible crowd support, course not too difficult, very well-organized. I got lots of 'go first-timer' cheers because of my special blue bib -- I won't miss this one from here on out. I was worried about the weather being too hot, but it ended up being perfect. Seems like we never went more than a mile without some organized water stop/aid station.
5.0

By: Henry C.

Posted: July 29, 2004

A good overall experience

White Rock 2003 was my first marathon. It was a great experience. The flyover by three F-18s at the starting line was something I'll never forget and was the perfect way to set everyone in motion. The weather was around 30 at the start and 55 at the end with blue skies. Plenty of water stops but the Powerade was watered down a little much. Great course with nice views of the lake and flat for most of the time. You will appreciate the gradual downhill from miles 22-25, especially after running up the 'Dolly Parton hills'. I would recommend this marathon to anyone. It seems to be just the right size with just over 3,300 finishers. Spectators are good on the course, except for miles 23-25 where there are none. But it's great when you get close to the AA Center and see tons of spectators and you know you're almost done. I plan to run this again in 2004.
4.0

By: robin ruston

Posted: July 28, 2004

Great city & beautiful marathon

A good friend of mine told me about the race & how good it is. So I came over from England to check it out & I was not disappointed. I loved the big city atmosphere & the run around the lake was so nice. The drinks & aid stations where manned with some very friendly people. It was cold but the people around the course gave us a warm welcome. I loved the bands & I will be back this year as I enjoyed it so much.
4.0

By: Running Bob

Posted: May 19, 2004

Gets better each year

A great mid-winter race with about 4,000 runners in the marathon, 3,000 in the half marathon and 2,500 in the relay race. It’s a little crowded at the start, but the race featured ChampionChip timing. This race is put on by a group of volunteer runners who have been around for a while. While some of the other runners complain about things that are beyond the control of the race organizers (the security checks are a requirement for all events at the American Airlines Center, and have you ever been to an indoor arena where you didn't walk down stairs to get to the arena floor?), everything the organizers are in control of is first-class. Bus transportation, bands and aid stations, t-shirts and medals are some of the best in the business. Plenty of bathrooms at the start, even getting to use the bathrooms pre-race in the AAC. Most aid stations have 2 or more bathrooms, and there are extra ones around the lake that are there year-round. The course is beautiful, with the lake coming at miles 9 through 17. Great slight downhill section in miles 22 – 25. The weather has been perfect the past couple of years and the race recognizes the first-time marathoners in a special way. The expo grows every year and features all kind of vendors. Dallas is a great city to visit as well. There’s plenty to do all weekend around the host hotel, and there’s a Friday night pre-pre-race dinner at a local honky-tonk that serves Texas BBQ. A small 5k Saturday morning, the expo most of the day Saturday, and a pre-race pasta dinner Saturday night. The race organizers are easy to reach and happy to share information. When is the last time you received a response from THE Race Director telling you the best place to park race morning? Running Bob says 4.5 Stars – check it out!
4.0

By: Cindy M.

Posted: March 03, 2004

Nice course, but...

As a Dallas resident, it never ceases to amaze me at how little interest the community has for this event. The City doesn't get behind it and the race organizers just don't seem to care about the runners either. The 'expo' is nothing more than a waste of time, and the post-race water and refreshments are pretty scarce as well - that is, if you can even get to them. I have participated in this race 2 times for the entire marathon and 4 times as part of the relay. A nice course, weather can be 'iffy' in December in Dallas, but this past year it was great. I just wish there were more spectators on the course; it can get very lonely as this is a pretty small marathon. The police officers who directed traffic during the race were great though! They cheered and encouraged more than the spectators!
3.0

By: Constance L.

Posted: February 16, 2004

Fun, fun, fun!

My third marathon and the best so far, by a lot. The course is very beautiful during the several miles around the lake and we had perfect weather - low 30's to start and blue skies all day. What a day to run past a lake and many small parks! The expo was beyond awesome (I've been to more expos than marathons.) I have never seen so many colors, sizes, and types of running clothes and accessories in my life. I spent a ton of money and don't regret any of my purchases. Staying at the host hotel (Hyatt) is a great convenience and eliminated a lot of stress. Pasta dinner was well-priced and convenient. There were plenty of porta-potties along the course - a real plus and a stress reliever for me. Fans were good, but not as many as I expected - maybe due to the cold. Food at the finish was tasty, varied, and plentiful. The start at the AA Center allows hanging out in the warm building and using real toilets - a luxury for sure. Only downsides: some of the roads were rather rough or too crowded; having to walk down about 50 steps to get to the post-race food; very hard to find water post-race (not everyone wants beer). If you don't run this race (you should), at least don't miss the expo.
4.0

By: Shira B.

Posted: January 05, 2004

Great first marathon!

This was not only my first marathon but my first race at all. I researched December marathons on this guide and came from NYC to run Dallas. I was intimidated by the comments on hills, but they turned out to be no problem at all. There was a mix-up with the shuttle buses and we got to the starting line just a few minutes before the start, and it was a mob scene and I never did see any organized line-up - had to walk along the side and then jump a fence and a barricade to get going. Other than that, a wonderful experience - great volunteers, bands, scenic course. The steady downhill at the end is a real plus. Definitely recommend this race.
5.0

By: MH H.

Posted: January 04, 2004

Fast, mostly flat, not well organized

This was my fourth marathon. I thought the course was perfect for a PR, though I was running it more for training. The pasta dinner was well organized, unfortunately that was about all that was well thought out. The pre-race use of indoor toilets was good at the AA Center, but making runners walk down steep stairs in the stadium after 26.2 is cruel. Only having one porta-john at the aid stations was not a good idea a set of 3 or so at each would be nice. I used over 12 minutes waiting in lines to get to one. My suggestion for change would be to have the post-race food outside at the finish and not in the center, it took me almost 40 minutes to get through the crowd and down to what was left of the food, and probably should not let people other than the runners at the food. Seems there were a lot of non-runners in there as well, taking for themselves. I loved the course and would run it again. The medal was excellent, as was having a finisher's shirt and marathon shirt.
2.0

By: Mark M.

Posted: January 01, 2004

A GREAT First Marathon

After much research, I selected White Rock for my first attempt at a marathon, and couldn't be more happy that I did. The weather was perfect, a great (mostly flat) course, and despite some of the other comments, I never went more than a couple of hundred yards without being cheered on or entertained by the live bands. The stations were easy to navigate and never too far apart. If I had to offer one criticism, it would be the pre-race organization. The (completely unnecessary) security check made it very slow going to get in and out of the arena. Finally, it was kind of a guess where to go when lining up for the start. The chip timing makes it less significant, but it was a little stressful as a first timer not to know if I was in the right place. EXCELLENT RACE!
5.0

By: Glenn T.

Posted: December 26, 2003

Fast One

My 7th marathon, including Houston and Chicago -- I honestly think this might be the fastest one (my PR by 4 minutes). The last 5 miles are slight downhill the whole way, which is a great way to finish. Organization kinda sucks, especially the bag dropoff, and having to walk down the stairs for finisher's food. Spectators are pretty sparse. But it's a faaaaast course. Highly recommended for a BQ.
3.0

By: Chandra T.

Posted: December 22, 2003

I will never do this one again

The good stuff: the flyover at the beginning was great, the water stops were well stocked and the volunteers were great. The bad stuff: the organization at the start was non-existent, the expo was a nightmare (small, laid-out poorly, a handful of vendors were horribly rude - mostly to the volunteers generous with their time to staff the event), there were NO spectators the first 6 miles of the race other than a couple of folks here and there and they didn't clap, cheer, smile, anything. The course was nice. The hills were minimal and the scenery was good, though it would've been much better had there been the crowds there that are usually out for this race. I've run the relays for this race in the past and the crowd support was great. However, it never could compare to the crowds in Chicago, New York, DC or Portland. The crowd was even bigger and more boisterous in Dublin a few years ago in really crummy weather. I hope the new organizers work out some of the kinks with the expo next year and I hope they order enough medals (they ran out of medals for the folks running the half marathon). If they really want to make this a premier marathon and draw folks from all over the country, the organizers have some serious work ahead of them.
3.0

By: Katie S.

Posted: December 19, 2003

Best Experience Of My Life

Running in the Dallas White Rock Marathon was one of the best experiences of my life. This was my first marathon and I really enjoyed every minute of it. I think it is a great idea to give “first-timers” a different bib color, so that spectators know that this is their first marathon. I received so much crowd support, it was truly unbelievable! I not only completed this marathon but I even qualified for the Boston Marathon! Thanks so much and keep of the great work! I will definitely try and run this one again next year!
5.0

By: Jeff F.

Posted: December 18, 2003

1st-timer is satisfied

It was everything I anticipated and I came in below my 4:00 goal. The flyover at the end of the National Anthem was something I will never forget and it sent a vibe through the crowd that got everyone ready to run. The hills are very manageable, just be ready for miles 19-21. The crowd was great, but somewhat sparse towards the very end when you come back into downtown. Many, though, seemed to recognize the 1st-timer bib and direct their encouragement which was very nice. I would not hesitate to do this run again.
4.0

By: Lance W.

Posted: December 17, 2003

Great Event

This was my 5th marathon and, behind the Country Music Marathon, the best one I've run. Relatively flat course, great support along the way (nice job getting the Hooters crew to man a mile!), a great T-shirt (2 actually) and a nice medal. I didn't have the energy to attend the post-race party but I hear it's topnotch. I'll definitely make this an annual event.
5.0

By: Greg M.

Posted: December 16, 2003

Some growing pains, but overall a great event

Perfect weather with a hint of morning frost and light winds. Having done 18 marathons, this is by far and away the most enthusiastic and well attended spectator support I've witnessed. A vocal crowd at every street corner and numerous bands playing on front lawns as the race was mostly through older and stately residential areas. Even a hairy-legged Dolly to urge us up the famous Parton Hills. Quite crowded at the start but not everwhelming as the chip system insures no rush to get going. I was able to run at my desired pace from the start, but any bigger and this race is going to have to stagger starting times, like sending the half marathoners off earlier. Good pre-run pasta feed and a good post-race beer and pasta refueling on the floor of the AA Center to finish things off. The aid stations were well organized and frequent with many great attendants insuring absolutely no runner crowding. Scottish Rite Hospital is a very worthy beneficiary of this race. Do it!!
4.0

By: Susan B.

Posted: December 15, 2003

Great race

This was a great race. The crowd support was fantastic, great bands on the course, police support was great, course was great. Post-race food (beer, chili, pasta, beer) was great!! I highly recommend the race.
5.0

By: Edward Pine

Posted: December 15, 2003

The White Rock was Great!

My previous two marathons were in San Francisco and Chicago. This was organized as well as Chicago and just as fun. It was nice to run a great marathon so close to home and not have the expense of flying and hotel. Great start with the fighter jet fly-by and fireworks. Great crowds for all except miles 24-25. People from Fort Worth do not easily compliment their eastern neighbor, so please take these compliments very seriously.
5.0

By: Nathan P.

Posted: December 15, 2003

Good, well organized marathon

Course had a few hills but overall was relatively flat and fast. There was some wind blowing off of White Rock Lake, which is the major body of water that runners run around. I was impressed with the fireworks and Air Force jets that flew over the runners prior to the race beginning. Water stations were adequately stocked and were well-placed. Overall I would give this marathon a 'thumbs up.'
3.0

By: Ryan B.

Posted: December 15, 2003

Perfect for 'first timers'

This was 'my first' and I'm immensely glad I did it. “Newbies” get their own colored number and their own category. A lot of people chose this as their first. The course was relatively flat (my GPS said I “ascended” a cumulative 500 feet over the entire course). We went through multi-million $ neighborhoods, around the lake, and through the cultural district (although the road was torn up on the 3-mile stretch of Swiss Avenue near the end), with a finish near American Airlines Center. There were cops everywhere, plenty of fluids, bands, and bathrooms along the course, with decent crowds at numerous locations. Not shoulder-to-shoulder, but enough that it was obvious when they were gone. Would I travel from far away for this? Maybe. The race hotel is really nice and there are tons of great restaurants along the course. One thing I’d change is that the post-race food/drink (which was inside American Airlines Center) was available to anyone who walked up – so the runners had to wait in line behind spectators.
4.0

By: Wade Morris

Posted: December 15, 2003

Good Run But Needs Some Improvement

I will say that I enjoyed the run and running White Rock Lake is impressive. There were several problems worth mentioning that I think would be a help. The potholes and cracks in the road need to be filled so that you do not worry about getting injured the whole race. Also, the start and finishing line were ridiculous. The starting line had runners jumping over the rails so they could begin. The finish was crazy as I was in need of hydration and the people there were trying to make me wait in line for a picture, which is the last thing on my mind after running for 4 hours. All they had outside the finishing line was water and I found out later that there was food, etc. inside the AA arena. It would have been nice to know about that from the people at the finish line. The spectators were interesting. Some were the greatest that I had come around but most just stared at us as we ran. I clapped for them more than they clapped for me. Thank God for the 'High Five' zone around the lake! Again, good run and could be one of the best if the small things are taken care of.
4.0

By: Sam Balandran

Posted: December 15, 2003

Great Course - Plenty of People - Perfect WX

Perfect running conditions on a great course. This was my 87th marathon and 17th White Rock. This marathon continues to improve each year, however, my times don't. Thanks! Oh, one negative note, please fine tune packet pick-up. See ya'll next year!
5.0

By: Mari-Ann K.

Posted: December 15, 2003

Fantastic race!

My 5th running of the White Rock. Seems to get better every year. I love doing this marathon as it is superbly organized. Never been disappointed. Volunteers are fantastic and very motivational. Police do a great job in controlling traffic . Great to see so many live bands along the course. Will be back...
5.0

By: David D.

Posted: December 15, 2003

Great experience. Will definitely run again.

This was my first marathon. I had a friend that ran with me. It was his second. It was pretty cold at the start. They let us in the American Airlines center, so we could stay warm before the race. They had a nice touch with the planes flying overhead during the singing of the National Anthem. The fans during the race were awesome. I am definitely doing the race next year, because from what I have read and heard the race keeps getting better every year. So everyone definitely keep this one in mind when planning your marathons or marathon for the year.
5.0

By: Jodie F.

Posted: December 15, 2003

Perfect Race

This was a great race! The course was beautiful and the fans were AWESOME! There was so much support from everyone. Aid stations were great, and volunteers were friendly. A tad bit cold - starting temp of 32 degrees...but beautiful sunshine to keep you going.
5.0

By: Bonnie Jo Barron

Posted: December 15, 2003

Enjoyable. Very nice course. Good spectators.

This was my first time to run this marathon and this was my fourth marathon ever. Had a really good time. Nice course and the hills are not as bad as they look on the elevation chart. Coming from VERY flat Houston, it was not as difficult as I thought. Got a little windy around White Rock Lake. Enjoyed the way there was so much entertainment/spectators leading up to each aid station; this made the mile markers move along more quickly. Outstanding organization along the course and at the finish line. The only poor organization was getting to the start line--it was very confusing figuring out exactly where it was and where the spectators ended and the runners began. Once you were in the correct area, it was fine and there was plenty of room (not crowded).
4.0

By: John S.

Posted: December 15, 2003

Very Good Experience

This marathon just keeps getting better and better. More bands and more spectators than prior years. Plenty of water stops and other support. The loop around the lake is still rather lonely but there isn't really anything that anyone can do about that. Weather this year was great as usual. I would recommend this race to anyone who wants to run a fun, safe, friendly marathon.
4.0

By: Forrest T.

Posted: December 15, 2003

White Rock 15th to 20th mile relay

A team member said she heard the 15th to the 20th mile was a nasty leg of the relay. I definitely felt it must have been the most pleasant. Running alongside the bank of White Rock, under a railroad bridge with a P.A. system, through pleasant neighborhoods, live music, with supportive spectators all along the way and (surprisingly) cold beer at the 18th. The event provided great bus service, and was all around spectacular.
4.0

By: Sam B.

Posted: December 14, 2003

Great race... start could use more organization

Overall, this was a great event... perfect weather, good crowd support, good course, good finisher's medal & T-shirts. This is the second year I've run it, and I will definitely run it again. My only negative comment has to do with the start. With the combination of the half marathon and 5 person relay participants, the start was quite crowded this year. There were enough runners that corals should be set up according to REALISTIC estimated finish time next year. I believe there were about 9,000 runners between the 1/2, full, and 5-person relay. Fix that, and this will truly be a topnotch event.
4.0

By: Laura S.

Posted: June 16, 2003

Great race! Relay runners should start earlier

I think the course can be improved, and the relay runners need to start earlier than the marathoners. They should also stay away from the massage tables. The course its much harder than Austin Motorola, and not nearly as pretty. The organizers do a great job with everything else. I think there were about 2,000 marathoners and 3,000 relay runners.
4.0

By: Randall R.

Posted: March 22, 2003

Can't wait to do this again

Of the three marathons I've finished, this is my favorite. The course is relatively flat and even with my poor training, I set a PR. The weather is a bit chilly at the start but once you get going it's great. I remember only one significant hill and it was a short one. The spectators and fellow runners are the friendliest I've seen and the organization is top rate. If you can make it to Dallas in December, DO THIS!
5.0

By: Arturo Ramirez

Posted: January 07, 2003

Beyond my expectations!!!

When I first read the comments on the DWRM I was a little skeptical about some details such as the AA center closed before the race, with freezing temperatures, rude people, bad decision changing the starting point etc. I took the chances and got my own experience, and I am really glad I did. Organization was superb, both, participant shirt and finisher one are excellent; I am proudly using them in my current training, finisher medal is really neat, clear skies and even for a guy like me (Born and raised in Mexico thus not friend at all of low temperatures) the low 40s we got that morning was about right. Congratulations to the organizers, this marathon should be in the 'To do list' of marathoners...
4.0

By: Tish S.

Posted: December 30, 2002

Don't Mess With Texas

Before running this race, I read the comments and reviews from the previous years. I then emailed the race staff and asked them if they had seen these and if so, what was their game plan to improve. They responded promptly and honestly. This was my third marathon of the year and my first time on this course. This was by far my favorite. Great course:I beat my previous PR by 20 minutes. Wasn't expecting the hills during the first 6 miles...I thought they were tougher than the Dolly Partons. The crowd support and weather were excellent. The organization was just as impressive as the LA and San Diego races. This crew put on one heck of a good show and I hope to make this a holiday tradition. Rock on!
4.0

By: Steve B.

Posted: December 30, 2002

Awesome experience

What fun! From the fireworks at the start to the course entertainment, Dallas was a great place to run my first marathon. The course took us through some beautiful areas of Dallas prior to circling the lake. We had great weather, which added to the beauty of the lake. The hills near the end of the race were challenging but not overwhelming. The organizers did a great job of making this race a fun event with themed areas we would run through such as Christmas land and the Dolly Parton look alike area. The race was well organized with plenty of water stops. For those of you looking for a great place to run, I would highly recommend Dallas, the specators were very encouraging. In fact, several of the locals set out their owns tables of food and refreshments. Unfortunately, the spectators were sparse in a few locations.
5.0

By: j m.

Posted: December 27, 2002

Better than I expected!!

I have run the Houston Marathon four times and decided to try a new marathon and eventually decided on White Rock. To complicate matters, I was running for a PR and to qualify for Boston. I thought this was a tough run (especially 9 miles around the lake) but it was made much easier with the great spectators and aid stations. Plus, the other runners were so helpful. I achieved my goal and want to thank everyone that was out there running with me and pushing me, even during the last .2 miles!!
4.0

By: Matthew Dooley

Posted: December 27, 2002

White Rock Marathon Much Improved

The Dallas White Rock marathon organizers obviously listen to feedback, because this year's race seemed much better than when I ran it in 2001. The main improvement was made by opening the American Airlines Center to runners before and after the event, and providing plenty of post-race refreshments inside. The course around White Rock Lake is beautiful, although the trip there and back contains several hills. Plenty of cheerful supporters and aid stations along the route. My only suggestion for improvement next year would be to include fresh fruit / bagels at the finish line, as it takes several minutes to maneuver through the crowd into the AA center.
4.0

By: JT P.

Posted: December 24, 2002

Great Race lots of personal attention!

Great start and finish. AA Center open before and after race!!! Police at every intersection, but they could have done a better job letting traffic through the course route. Organizers did a great job, they were very concerned about the runner. They tried their very best to correct problems of the past and they did it!!
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 17, 2002

I'll do this one again !

What a great experience running Dallas. Everything about the weekend was first class all the way. Great expo, decent meal at the pasta party (along with listening to Frank Shorter and Bill Rodgers speak), and wonderful community support on race day. I fell in love with the aid station workers at the Dolly Parton Hills. The only negative was that the street was a bit too narrow for the number of runners at the start, forcing some of us to run the sidewalk. After the run we got finishers t-shirts and ball caps. The finish line was laid out very well. There were ample portajohns, which is a must. Overall a great run that I'd highly recommend to anyone.
5.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 17, 2002

Great first race!!

This was a great race to be participating in your first marathon. The organization and fans were better than expected and the course was beautiful.
5.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 17, 2002

Big improvement over previous years

This was my ninth marathon. The start was very nice and uplifting - fireworks!! Good crowd support, plenty of aid stations, hilarious Dolly Parton Look Alikes, bands and lots of encouraging signs along the course. Good event, just a few things could still be improved. Still need more food at the finish, and need to order size small jackets, sweatshirts, etc.
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 17, 2002

Great urban course w/ great support.

This is a really beautiful urban course that winds through down town Dallas and then it's' older neighborhoods until you get to White Rock Lake. After a 9 mile spin around the lake, you head back to the downtown area. The hills at mile 19 are gradual, but they get your attention especially if you have any propensity towards leg cramps...as many runners seemed to have. Great on-course entertainment if your into that stuff and great water and nutrition stations throughout the entire race course. Some of the residents even put out tables of goodies for the runners. I prefer smaller fields in simpler environments, but this is definitely a great and very comfortable race.
5.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 16, 2002

First-class marathon

The White Rock marathon has everything: fireworks, music, spectators, scenic course. It is not, however, the best place to achieve a PR. There are some hills. No one I talked to was able to achieve their desired time. Many improvements were made over the 2001 race.
5.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 16, 2002

great race

I ran the Rock Relay, and split it with a friend, so we each ran a 1/2. White Rock is an excellent race. The aide stations are wonderfully spaced, well stocked and packed with spectators. The race started and ended outside the American Airlines center. so people were able to use the facilities. and it was great because this morning was a particularly cold day in Dallas. I will be back to this race again to run the marathon. Thanks Dallas.
5.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 16, 2002

Excellent Management, Beautiful work

This was my third run with Whiterock. It has been better every time. A lot of greatwork by the volunteers. Well managed. The past dinner was great. One point for improvement, probably the parking fee should be included with the entry fee as it is hard to remember to take any money to the marathon. I would rate this one at -A. It could have been an A but as I stated before parking fees and the short sleeve finisher's shirt could be and should be changed.
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 15, 2002

Outstanding!!

Very well organized. Expo was outstanding-speakers very helpful for a newcomer. Course was challenging without being daunting, late hills were a killer though. Lots of spectators and support with ample water, ade, gel, fruit, etc. Kudos to organizers for reading past complaints and fixing problems.
5.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 15, 2002

Just completed the 2002 White Rock Marathon

Wow! Beautiful weather (maybe a little on the warm side), Great organization (organizers listened to last years complaints and made substantial positive changes), who can complain about the sceanary around White Rock Lake? My only issue with this run is those darn Dolly Parton hills that seem to bite you hard after the relatively flat 1st half of the race. This was my second White Rock run and I will be back next year! Good job Dallas!
5.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 15, 2002

a HUGE step forward for the Rock

Great race!! Much better organization and a lot more fun than prior races. Fan participation increased. The many bands on the course really helped as well. Weather....perfect. Folks from up north should really keep their eyes on this race. Dallas is a great destination and we now have a great late fall marathon. All we need now is a corporate sponsor who wants naming rights so we can get more cash behind this race. Kudos to all involved!
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 15, 2002

Great race for Big D

I have run 6 marathons including San Diego & Marine Corps, The race organization at the Rock beats them all. Friendly volunteers help you find plenty of food. Dallas can't compete with the scenery of some races but has a great course. The crowds are the best at the Marine Corps but this is a great race which I'll run again!
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: June 04, 2002

A Model for other Marathons!

I have run 7 marathons, big & small, including San Diego & Marine Corps, The post-race organization at White Rock beats them all. Great food and plenty of it, friendly volunteers, big signs to direct you when you're really tired, and beer! A few modifications, like opening up the entire American Airlines Center before and after the race for comfort, and this would be perfect. Thanks for a great race!
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: February 28, 2002

Always great weather and a flat course overall!

The starting location was new at the AA arena which made it a little confusing w/ some roads to access the complex being closed. My major complaint was that they didn't have any organization at the beginning to allow runners to line-up with their pace...so you have a lot of slow runners/walkers mixed in with the faster runners. This is only a problem for the 1st mile, then things are all cleared up. The chips where a great improvement and the neighborhoods are 2nd only to the Chicago Marathon experience.
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 28, 2001

Nice Course, Average Organization

I ran the 2001 version of the White Rock marathon hoping for good weather after running a marathon in very hot weather in October. I was not disappointed. The weather was perfect. The starting temperature was 35° degrees, clear skies, low humidity. The temperature when I finished was around 50°. The course was great going through some some nice neighborhoods at the beginning. The ten miles around the lakes did seem a little long. There is a continuous incline from Mile 19-21 which zapped my energy, but overall the course was not too difficult. The organization at the beginning of the race was substandard. Despite the fact that there was a new arena at the start, runners were not allowed in to get warm. It was 35° outside. We were able to sneak in with the late registrants. The people in the arena were very rude. The post-race activities were nothing to write home about either. Despite these inconveniences, I thoroughly enjoyed running the race.
3.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 22, 2001

They ran out of medals

The finish line had NO MEDALS, no water, no food, no blankets and no support staff. What more do you need to know?
2.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 17, 2001

Terrible course last two miles

It was my fifth Dallas marathon.The finish line at American Airlines Building was a big mistake. Please change it to the previous one. The after-race breakfest was very poor in quality and the place very uncomfortable. Come back to 1990's course, finish line and organization. Congratulations for the chip!
3.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 13, 2001

It was a pleasure.

What a nice course! It was relatively flat overall, and besides circling White Rock Lake, ran through interesting and pretty neighborhoods, (read: no industrial areas!). The crowds were a bit sparse, but were spread over the whole course and very enthusiastic. I can't possibly complain. There were lots of water stations. I also saw several porta-potties spread through the course. The only problem I had was the finish, which was a bit confusing. There was no clear direction to lead confused runners from the immediate recovery area to the American Airlines Center where the food, massage, water, etc. was located. I got lost! Once I found it, everything was there, and in quantity. The marathon has just changed directors, and they are in the process of tweaking the race into shape. I gotta cut them some slack. They did a nice job, I expect it will be even better next year. This is a good marathon. I think I will likely run it again sometime.
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 12, 2001

Pre/Post Marathon accommodations

This was my first marathon and I enjoyed it immensely. The course was not-to-tough, yet the 'Dolly Parton Hills' left a brief sting in my calves. The crowd was fairly thin and quiet, but wearing the 'first-timer blue bib' gave them and me a little motivation. The only negative was the American Airlines Center. All of the amenities were on the inside(i.e. registration, bathrooms, snacks/drinks, massages, etc.) yet they didn't want to let anyone in???? They booted us out in the morning and they wouldn't let us in after the race. I had to sneak in to get a massage while my running partner and my family were forced to wait outside. We were told that the arena had scheduled another event that evening and they were trying to evacuate everyone to start cleaning up. There was another 1000 people still on the course!!!
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 12, 2001

Wonderful Marathon on a Beautiful Day

This was my first marathon, so I have nothing to compare it against, but I would be very surprised to find a more beautiful course or more energetic spectators. I was a little dissappointed in the organization. It seemed that I had to seek out organizers instead of them giving clear cut instruction. A little nerve racking for a first timer. I will be back. I thought the course was great, the crowd supportive, and the participants inspirational! Thank you, Duke Pepper Amarillo, Texas
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 12, 2001

Great course, pretty neighborhoods, a few hills

First, the spectators were great. Outstanding support from the volunteers and the Dallas police department. I did feel the love. Thank you, Thank you and Thank you again! Second, the course was just right, a couple of hills, but a nice gradual downhill on the last six miles. Finally, I have to complain about the organization. They let last minute packet pickup people go into the American Airlines center and use the nice bathrooms but not the others (what's up with that). I am a first-time marathoner, they managed to lose my application (although they had $120.00 out of my pocket), no one responded to my phone call or first email. The gentleman at the help desk was indifferent. No apologies given (I really felt the love). They were out of medals when I came in (I just want to be loved, is that so wrong). The crowning touch was that I found my name under the male finishers and I think I look like a woman.
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 12, 2001

A solid marathon experience

This is my third White Rock run. This years course though new, is still is a good run. Only one major hill. Generally good crowds though sparse in some places. Aide stations are a real plus. The new site at the AA Center was a big disappointment. It was too crowded. I think most of the problems will be corrected by next year but it did take away from what was a great marathon experience. If you can't afford to fly to Hawaii this is a good alternative!
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 11, 2001

Good time and a 'good time'

This was my second marathon. (The first was in Dublin/2000. Weather was WAY better, if anyone remembers Dublin 2K!) Took over an hour off my PR and nearly beat 4 hrs. Nice flat, very scenic course. The neighborhoods on the way out of town were very friendly. Lots of signs and smiles. The water stops and cheering points around the lake were great, but I wish they'd had those Maverick cheerleaders closer to the start so I could appreciate better.
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 11, 2001

Great course, all else so, so

I had a great time at the marathon (I set a PR by 7 minutes) so it is hard to complain too much. The course was very nice, taking us through the nicest parts of Dallas--through beautiful neighborhoods--around a lake--and then through more beautiful neighborhoods. However, the organization, especially at the start could have been better. They started us at the new Hockey/Basketball arena but did not want us to go inside to keep warm--what would have happened had it been raining? Race packets did not include maps of the starting area or race day instructions. At the end of the race, they handed you your medal (in its plastic wrap) rather than put it around your neck. Maybe next time? Not very much fan support (I've previously run the Twin Cities, Chicago and Boston, so maybe I expect too much), but with such a fun course it didn't matter. All and all, I had a fun experience and hope the organization gets better.
3.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: October 02, 2001

a 1st timers perspective

2000 was my 1st. I enjoyed the course, mainly flat, with elevation from 20-23. Crowd was supportive throughout, certainly not wall to wall, but rarely any stretch without people. Only complaint, few bathroom stops, so plan accordingly.
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: July 23, 2001

Unpredictable weather can be a challenge...

In Dallas this time of year. I ran the marathon in '97 when it was 40 degrees and a driving rain. The last 3 years I have run in the relay and the weather has varied from teens to 60s last year. It can be a challenge, so bring both warm and cold weather gear! Lots of aid stations, some themed and quite funny! Crowd support along the course is pretty sparse, but don't let that get you down. It's a good course for 1st timers, with only a few small hills.
3.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: December 12, 2000

Great place for a first timer

Ran my first half marathon as part of the two man relay. Weather perfect, cool start, warming to 60's at finish. Not a huge crowd (approx 5000?) so not overwhelmed in the crush. Great support in the residential areas, home owners providing water etc. Markers and timers at every mile. Good support at the water stops, some with music. Second half of course flat until about mile 20 then 2 mile hill (not too steep). Gentle down hill from mile 22 to finish. Will certainly go back. Host hotel let us check out by 3pm, thus allowing time for showers etc.
5.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: October 13, 2000

Good one but ...

I ran the WR marathon in 98 and 99. The weather in 98 was perfect. The temp was around mid- to upper 30s at the beginning of the race and sunny. Although it’s about the same temp in 99, it was quite windy – about 20 mph around White Rock Lake. The course is relatively flat. Esp. around the lake from mile 10 –19. A few rolling hills between mile 5-6 in Highland Park area and later between mile 20-21 in Lakewood area. After that it’s flat all the way to the finish line at the City Hall Plaza. Expect some detours this year. The race organizer rerouted the course and abandoned Mockingbird Ln (mile 6-9) - one of my favourite sections. Instead of running straightforward to Williamson (mile 9), runners will have to zigzag through some residential area which, in my view, is NOT the best running neighborhood. You may find significant amounts of potholes, cracking surfaces along the way.
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: July 04, 2000

Nice marathon

I loved this race. Smaller in stature compared to Chicago, Boston, etc. The packet pick-up was in a mall. Very small but organized and prices were great. In fact, prices in the Dallas area were great! Food, hotel, etc. The course was pretty at times, stirring when running by the JFK memorial and right where he was shot, and the White Rock Park was my favorite. I would definitely come back to this...one of my favorites.
4.0

By: Anonymous

Posted: May 15, 2000

Heck of a first marathon for a former long jumper!

Why would a 53 year old former long jumper want to run a marathon? I still don't know. After running a 1:45 pace first half (2:01 actual counting pottie breaks) and the rain started, I realized all the weeks of training would have been better utilized had I started a little bit slower. Too late, Jack! After leaving White Rock Lake at mile 18 or so, the climb began until the 'real' hill at 22, and I learned a lot about myself. I'm not sure I can verbalize it, but I hope I wasn't talking out loud...had I been, I'm sure the men in white coats would've met me at the finish line 2-1/2 hours later. Anybody else been there? Haven't had a drink in 17 years, but at about 20 miles at the beer table, I was tempted. However, I just smiled and plodded on. Did the remaining miles alternating run/crawl according to the cramp schedule, and finished the last mile in 7:15 due to hearing the PA system in the distance. I'm not sure it's a good 'race' for the beginner, but it's there, and my 4:30:26 will forever be etched in memory. Torn PCL in late 1998 prevented my running much distance in 98/99, and working/running in Belize this year has spurred me on to greater dreams. Why not try something a little different....Dallas got me hooked. Now I'm training for the Comrades in South Africa...and the rubber room awaits....
5.0
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