By: Ellyn H.
Posted: February 05, 2006
Great event...
...but you need to add a half marathon.
By: Cassandra McCune
Posted: January 21, 2006
I really loved the start with the fireworks.
The beginning with fireworks was beautiful along the strip. I enjoyed running through the strip and downtown area. I wish their were more spectators but that will probably come in the future as the race becomes more popular. It was great about the money they gave away. The only complant is I haven't received my award yet and it is difficult to get into contact with someone. I still haven't seen any information about the next Las Vegas Marathon either.
By: Beth R.
Posted: October 12, 2005
Native Las Vegan Defends The City
I felt compelled to speak up on behalf of my city as I read the other comments. It's really a shame that many of you did not get to see what a great running community we have here. Las Vegas is top-notch running city with a variety of surfaces and scenery, whatever your running fancy. Runners who live here are among the most outgoing and supportive that I've ever encountered (and no, that's not because we're all in the casino or 'adult' business--common misconception). I would hate for anyone to hold the Jan. 2004 race against us. I agree that the wind that day gave Chicago a good run for the title of Windy City, and frankly, we all paid more compared to other big city marathons. That being said, I urge you all to come back and give this race and our city another shot (take a gamble--ok, bad pun). If you can, head out to the neighboring communities and run with some of the locals. We'll be happy to have you back.
By: Eyvonne C.
Posted: May 19, 2005
DON'T DO IT!!!!!
It was horrible, ugly, nasty, scary, just plain awful. I can't think of any other words to describe the experience. Don't do this one!!! I know the course is changing and the race director is changing, but even with that, I still suggest - find another marathon.
By: Roger Dufresne
Posted: May 03, 2005
THIS HAS GOT TO BE THE WORST!!!!
I recently received my finisher's certificate from the marathon and it reawakened miserable thoughts about this year's race. Is that what they call a finisher's certificate and in comparison to the Marine Corps (all printed and with a ton of stats printed too)? I'm kind of embarassed to fill in my name and my time on the Vegas one -- can't wait to see what Boston has to offer. I bet it's something real classy like their race, course, fans and organization.
I'm glad that the race has a new owner, but, the race director should be canned. I have run this race two years in a row and doubt I'll ever be back...
I guess in reading some of the comments, there actually was some food at the end that we weren't charged for (yes, I was charged $6 for a sausage sandwich, bag of chips and a Pepsi-- never had that happen before -- even in Vegas last year!!). Can't prove it by me, a mid-packer, one of the runners that is said to be in the worst need for support after the race.
SUPPORT???!! Was there any? Running out of cups at one of the water stops, no gels, no oranges -- just a lot of wind both from Mother Nature and from the organizers. I can't figure out what happened to the $75 entry fee if all we got was a ride in a school bus to the start...
Well, we did get the desert scenery -- I loved the course and the run through the desert with all of its morning colors -- guess this was the only thing I liked about the race for 2 years in a row.
Spectators were hard to find and they also had a hard time seeing us... my wife finally got a chance to see me at mile 21 but had to figure out where since they changed the route and didn't tell anybody. She also said there was no way she was able to see me any time before that because she was still unfamiliar (maybe scared is a better word) with the city and its roads and the maps given out were so abbreviated that you really couldn't use them (I nearly ran over a 3-foot embankment in one the roads that looked like we could use but the street was under repair - "DEVESTATED" might be a better word). And no word of repairs either (the street I'm talking about had been under repair for some time). DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
My wife accompanied me to see me run and twice in 2 years she saw me at different points near mile 21 (despite technically being the same course); in Boston she saw me twice despite having to deal with children, grandchildren and a dog and the T...
This race really needs to consider the needs of its runners and family, and forget the prize money...
PRIZE MONEY -- I didn't even see the elites at the start; they must have been hiding them from us riff-raff. Guess that's where my $75 went... to some Kenyan who runs for a living. They're going to destroy our sport and organizers like this are greasing the rails too. This isn't just me. The same information (sans Keyans and prize money) is printed in the magazine 'Distance Running' in the Jan - March 2005 edition.
It's really hard to believe that this marathon has been around longer than NYC. While I haven't run NYC yet, all the comments are great regarding the race and it's one that is increasing in size by nearly the amount of runners here. I've run both Boston and the Marine Corps and they run races, not jokes like Vegas.
MARATHON FOTO!!! I just remembered that the shock and confusion of seeing a woman in all my pictures... until I realized that she had the same number as me but was in the half marathon. She must have shocked too. Needless to say, I didn't buy a picture because besides sharing my number (shame on you organizers -- you could at least have given the half runners a different number sequence), who wants a picture of yourself taken in some run-down industrial center and not at the finish line. By the way, she got a picture at the finish line. Maybe Marathon Foto gave up after 3 hours or so. Or maybe you're planning to run only a half marathon in the future.
I just hope the new owners see my comments (I'm just too disgusted to add more) and act on them for the future benefit of other runners and for themselves. The change of the course is a good starter, but I know even if I wanted to run this again DOUBTFUL!!!!!!!!!), a start date so close to Christmas puts this race out of bounds for me. I chose it since it gave me a winter respite at the end of January and the real cold hasn't hit us in NH as of yet in December.
GOOD LUCK NEW OWNERS!!! FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, CHANGE THE STAFF WHO SCREWED THIS UP FOR THE LAST 2 YEARS...
By: Spencer A.
Posted: April 17, 2005
Got a PR, but.......
I knew the start was a slight incline for the first 9 miles or so, knew to take it easy. But after you crested and started on a long downhill. The wind was tough. Mile 16 water point had no cups. Saw Michael Waltrip pass me at mile 20. I like the tail wind the last 3 miles. With all the big money in Vegas, you would think they would do it up big. It needs a lot of work and the new route, might be what it needs.
By: Marc M.
Posted: April 08, 2005
Call Me Crazy...
I've already provided comments in a separate note (M.M. from Fort Mill, SC) and gave the race overall good marks. I concluded by saying that I'd run the race again IF it finished on the strip.
Guess what? The course has been changed, with the start and the finish by the Mandalay Bay Hotel. Even more important, the race has been moved to December 4, 2005, which I've been assured means a lot less wind!
With the changes, and owing to the fact that my wife and I have just returned from Las Vegas where we had a great time, I've decided to run the race for the second time in the same year!
Call me crazy... but I love Las Vegas and when and where else can you run the same race twice in the same year.
By: Mike S.
Posted: April 03, 2005
Thought I'd seen it all
Thought I'd seen it all but after having run 15 marathons, Las Vegas is the cheapest. Received my certificate for marathon completion the other day, it was blank. You put in your name and time. Never seen that in any other marathon I've run and I've run big and small. Very poor for such a large city.
I won't be back. Get your act together Vegas!
By: jim w.
Posted: March 08, 2005
great course, flat but very windy
The course was great. It was flat but the wind factor over the last half of the race was bad. Someone said the wind is always bad for this race. Our bus driver had been given the wrong exit number for where he should let us off, so we ended up going 10 to 15 miles too far and having to turn around. Other than that it was very organized. I'm not sure why the half-marathon starts first.
By: Marc M.
Posted: March 01, 2005
Las Vegas is the New Windy City
I had fun running the LV Marathon. Name another race where Elvis sings the national anthem. Running through the 'mountains' and then the desert was a good break from city marathons. Too bad the wind was so strong for more than 14 miles; tough to set a PR with 25 mph headwinds. Next year have enough cups and sports drinks! I'll be back IF the race finishes on the strip.
By: Michael S.
Posted: February 24, 2005
Enough Said
The last three pages of comments sums up nicely the issues with this marathon in general! It is in need of new race organization and a course that runs down the strip and makes a spectacular finish!
I ran it primarily for the benefit of Michael Waltrip's Operation Marathon.
Probably will not be back!
By: Bill P.
Posted: February 22, 2005
What a Downer - Especially for Vegas
I'm usually positive after every marathon I run, but this one pushed me over the edge. First off: Where was the food after the race? I paid $80 for an orange and 3-inch long PowerBar? If this were a $40 marathon, I wouldn't feel too bad. But the Vegas Marathon was billed as a large, 'international' race...I was expecting more - much more.
I can understand if some people thought the course was desolate, but I enjoyed the scenery and it was a nice departure from the urban races I'm used to doing.
The worse problem, as mentioned, was the wind. The wind NEVER stopped... it was a constant 25 mph in your face from mile 8 to 23. I know I can't blame the organizers for this.
My advice is to take your $80 or $90 find another winter marathon - anywhere but Vegas.
By: Jim H.
Posted: February 22, 2005
OK, but not one to repeat.
Course profile is somewhat deceiving. The downhill portion felt flat rather than downhill, although that could have been attributed to the strong headwind. Few hills in the early miles were noticeable, but not difficult. If you do experience headwinds, you'll have them for the first 20 miles as it's a straight line into Vegas before the first turn. Half and full marathon starting points and times are different, avoids a lot of congestion in the early miles. Point-to-point course, so bussed to the start, but the busses stay at the start, so you can relax in relative comfort until gun-time. A nice touch. If you need spectator support, this is not your race.
By: Kirk L.
Posted: February 18, 2005
Wasn't impresssed.
Only my third marathon. I'm comparing it mostly with St. George Marathon, which was outstanding. But at Las Vegas some aid stations were out of cups and/or sport drink. There was no food until very late in the race and it wasn't even cut up. Had to peel my orange as I ran. The rewards for finishing, a cotton shirt, and three items in a bag (plus the medal of course) compared very poorly with St. George and even more so considering cost. I won't run this one again and I wouldn't recommend it.
By: Becky Z.
Posted: February 17, 2005
Not very impressed
I was disappointed with the expo--it seemed too small for Vegas. But, Bill Rodgers was a nice addition and I like the t-shirt. Also, the location of expo (Luxor Hotel) was good.
Personally, I felt the course was boring. I guess I'm more of a city marathoner. It's also disappointing that spectators cannot access the course before mile 16. As for the aid stations--running out of cups and water is unacceptable. And where were the promised pacing groups? It's useless to complain about the wind other than to Mother Nature. The printed names on the bibs were a nice touch.
I was also disappointed with the post-race. There was not nearly enough food nor drink to replenish. And it seemed there were an abundance of volunteers that could've been used at unstaffed water stations on the course. Don't get me wrong, I very much appreciate any and every volunteer that was there. Overall, I have to wonder where my money was spent for this marathon and if it really is older than the NYC Marathon, then why isn't there better organization?
By: George N.
Posted: February 17, 2005
Let's hope the new organization does better
The organization was marginal with lack of support at several water stations and limited food at the end. It was also expensive with a cheap T-shirt, and no party, or even pasta feed included in the price.
The course was mostly the ugly parts of the desert and in the city was no better. There were one or two bands along the course but they seemed starkly out of place.
Then there was the 30 mph headwind which more then negated any advantage of the downhill. Not their fault but still unpleasant.
The race will be under new direction and have a course supposedly in the city next year. It would take a big change to bring me back.
By: Cheryl M.
Posted: February 15, 2005
Need I say more... won't be back
Just read all of the previous comments and you will get a general idea of this marathon. Coming to Las Vegas on vacation? Do the marathon. Maybe. Coming to Las Vegas for the marathon? Forget it. Save your money and play the slots. Your odds at getting more out of them will be better than what you get out of the money spent on the entry fee.
I can usually find something good to say about all the marathons I have done (this was #72), but can't think of much good about this one. Oh yes, as one of the previous commentators said, they let us stay on the bus up until the start. Wait, I remeber something else that was good... we only had to deal with 30-35 mph headwinds; no rain, sleet; dust or freezing temperatures.
By: Andy L.
Posted: February 12, 2005
Fast course except for that wind
This would be a great course if not for that wind - the Goldstrike was very convenient to the start - organization was fine and I liked the desert scenery with snowcapped mountains and the Las Vegas strip off in the distance.
But I won't be back because of that wind.
By: jeff e.
Posted: February 09, 2005
stay with what you know... gambling & booze
This race needs a new organizer!!! Running out of cups and drinks at a marathon? GIVE ME A BREAK. The food and after-race was a joke. The participant bag was also poor. Great course and town. The course map also was inaccurate.
By: Ryan H.
Posted: February 09, 2005
Opportunities for Improvements
I enjoyed the course since it was fast and the elevation was exactly as expected from the website. The mountains were very scenic and the temp was perfect. It's senseless to complain about the wind, we all know it can be windy on any given day, I was thankful for all the rain the Vegas area had just prior to the marathon so we didn't have to put up with a lot of blowing sand.
The bus rides to the start was efficient and it was great to be able to wait in the buses until the start and there were plenty of porta-potties at the start. The finisher medal is now my favorite one.
Here are some areas for improvements: Ensure the aid stations are properly staffed; it was disappointing to find a station without water cups and we were told to drink from the pitchers if we wanted water. What a terrible way to spread germs among people who are taxing their immune systems just by running a marathon. The mile 19 marker was lying on the ground and about a quarter mile from where it should have been. Some oranges during the last 10K would have been a wonderful treat, but not something expected.
After seeing only a couple of items in my 'food' bag, I searched for the rest of the food and water only to find out I was being charged for both; what about the runners who didn't bring money along? This is one reason why it’s good to have some cash along. It seemed backwards to be charged for our food and water but there was all the free beer we could drink.
I know it's easier to hand out the shirts at the expo, but anyone who finishes a marathon would greatly appreciate having a 'finisher' shirt and the satisfaction of knowing the shirt was earned.
As mentioned, these are opportunities for improvements. I still recommend this marathon, because even with the strong headwinds, this is a fast course and I earned a PR. Plus, Vegas is a fun city to visit. If you can stay for an extra day, some hiking at Red Rock Canyon the day after is both very scenic and great for those sore quads.
By: Mike S.
Posted: February 07, 2005
Not runner friendly
The course was very boring, practically no spectators, and the 20 mph wind in your face from mile 8 to the end was unforgettable.
Ultima as a sports drink has to go, it tastes nasty. Las Vegas needs to get behind this event if its to get better. Most people didn't know anything about it.
The finish location was poor. The best thing was they let you stay on the warm buses until just before the start and they print your name on your number.
By: Bill Chilton
Posted: February 07, 2005
Vegas Marathon going 'down hill' fast.
I'm 61 and have run 39 marathons since 1996 including the Vegas Marathon several times. I didn't get my money's worth this time... aid stations totally disorganized... half the time no one was handing out liquids (we had to grab it off the table on the run)... out of apples at finish... only three things in finish bag... outrageous. No water bottles at the end! I'm so disgruntled about this marathon that I will not run it again, unless something changes drastically...
Bill Chilton
11122 S. 1330 E.
Sandy, Utah 84092
By: Gayle B.
Posted: February 06, 2005
My 7th marathon and the absolute worst!!!
I must disagree with the positive comments about this race. It was nothing but 23 miles of headwinds. No gel, no vaseline, or cups at some stations, very few spectators. With all the desert in Las Vegas I would think they could come up with a more runner-friendly course. I never worked so hard and got nowhere. My time was a 4:06 and I cried at the end from exhaustion.
By: Terry Squier
Posted: February 06, 2005
Great Run
Except for the wind at times, I really enjoyed the half-marathon portion of this race. The weather was sunny and the temperature was perfect. People were in a very upbeat mood. I thought it was well organized and managed. I commend the organizers. I definitely will come back again.
By: Hazel c.
Posted: February 05, 2005
Windy!!!
I liked the organization and the course. I hope that they will have gel next time, especially at the 18th mile. Well, I think I will run it again next year. The Gold Strike Hotel is very marathon friendly!
By: Tony R.
Posted: February 04, 2005
Gusting wind, ugly course, no spectators, easy
It is hard to imagine an uglier course than this - it runs along the interstate for the first 22 miles, then along the intl. airport for the remainder. Horrible gusting wind for 16 miles of the run dropped our time considerably. Essentially no spectators, music or cheering. The course is easy - 8 miles slight uphill, then the rest downhill.
By: Lan R.
Posted: February 04, 2005
Not One I Will Repeat
The course is boring; the scenery of the desert in the beginning is great, after that it's boring. The wind started at about mile 8 and never quit. Some aid stations were out of Ultima early on even for the mid-packers. The only reason this marathon still exists is the destination. Viva Las Vegas!
By: Brian K.
Posted: February 02, 2005
My only complaint was the wind
I knew ahead of time that the course was not terribly scenic, and that crowd support was pretty much nonexistent, so I didn't mind those shortcomings. As everyone there knows, the infamous 30mph LVM Headwind showed up again, the one I had heard so much about. Obviously, nothing could be done about that. I was really impressed with the level of organization at the event, and the volunteers were great. I thought the expo was pretty good, and I really liked the level of cooperation between the hotels and the event.
I hear there's a new course next year?
By: jerry slisz
Posted: February 02, 2005
Very boring, windy; but it is Vegas
The course was straight and went nowhere near the strip. Very windy and no people; the only ones were complaining about closing the road.
By: Alex T.
Posted: February 01, 2005
Windy and no food/gels - not even a gummy bear.
It was all great until about mile 14 when the 30-mile headwinds started and killed most PR's. No gels on the course, no food of any kind. All I needed was a couple of gels in the later miles. This was my 9th and there have always been gels starting at about mile 12. I was starving!!!!
By: Mike R.
Posted: February 01, 2005
Needs a little improvement
This was the 4th LVM for me and I will keep coming back. I enjoy Las Vegas - probably because I don't gamble much - and I enjoy its marathon very much. The sunrise just before the start of the race is beautiful and the course is fast but fair. I had to pass a couple water stations because they were understaffed. I hope they can get more volunteers in future races. There weren't a lot of spectators but the ones who showed up were very noisy and supportive. Thanks LV organizers for a good experience.
By: john m.
Posted: February 01, 2005
Good, only to get better
Flattest course I've run - definitely a PR course if they ever get a day where they don't have a strong headwind. Not many fans, except at the end, at the relay exchanges and at a couple of intersections late in the race. If they move the end of the marathon to the strip (as proposed), it will add a lot to the race. Expo was fine and the transportation to the race was excellent (buses). Plenty of aides stations, although some were understaffed and one ran out of cups (And I was a middlepacker, running about 9 min/miles). Overall, a great destination marathon with definite PR possibilites.
By: Moses Christian
Posted: February 01, 2005
I have run the LV Marathon 5 times
Very little Gatorade. I finished by 5:15 but most of the stands had no drinks, and knowing how poorly snacks are given, I had taken plenty of my own - but I did not think drinks would be a problem also. A fellow marathoner was exhausted as he had no replenishments. Worst marathon for supplying drinks and food.
By: chris r.
Posted: February 01, 2005
Windy!!! Only rough thing about it!
Course is very flat and very speedy. Until you hit some headwinds in the last 5-6 miles. Otherwise, nice run!! Beautiful sunrise made it gentle to run in. The city setting was perfect as well!!! Volunteers were amazing!!!
By: Mark G.
Posted: January 31, 2005
America's Windiest Marathon?
Three years in a row and the wind is still howlin'! This could be one of the fastest marathons in the world--but you're still at the mercy of Mother Nature. A world record could easily be set if the winds calm down.
Course is point to point with the slightest of an uphill grade the first 5-6 miles. Then there's a gentle and prolonged downhill stretch 'til about mile 20 or so--a few turns and another 3 miles or so downhill to the finish. This race is simple with all the basics covered. Transportation, expo, prompt start (with 'Elvis' singing the Nat'l Anthem), post-race staging, medal, chip-retrieval, and bag-drop all work well. Volunteers are friendly; there are sufficient water stops and porta-johns along the course. Didn't see promised pace groups or gels out there but it didn't seem to matter. LV Marathon is a nicely packaged run. Except for the relentless headwind, weather was perfect--sunny and cool. Would easily recommend this race--when this atypical bad luck with the wind ends, a PR is definitely within reach.
By: Cesar G.
Posted: January 31, 2005
Beautiful but windy day
I think this was a great marathon despite the wind, which really only pushed hard from 13 to 23 miles. That same wind turned into a rejuvenating tail wind for the last 3 miles on a slight downhill. This is a great course with a mild uphill for the first 8 miles and an encouraging downhill grade for about the next 12 miles. Don't kid yourself; if you've ever been to Las Vegas, you know it gets windy. There weren't that many spectators but the ones there were fun and loud. There were plenty of volunteers and facilities. The finish line was well organized with a large amount of massage tables. Great job Las Vegas!
By: philip k.
Posted: January 30, 2005
Fantastic weather
The weather was fantastic, the scenery was fantastic and so are the volunteers. Too bad that there are few spectators. The sports drinks also appear to be very diluted but on the whole, it was a fantastic experience. I would definitely recommend this race to anyone.
By: Chris K.
Posted: October 17, 2004
Flat and forgettable
I went to LV and ran the marathon. It's a flat course. You can see the finish line from 16 miles away. It starts very early in the morning. The course is mostly a frontage road along the interstate. The night before I had my wedding vows renewed, went to a show, ate well, drank a lot, stayed up late... all of that was more fun than the marathon. I guess I'm not cut out to run a marathon in a city that has so many other distractions!
By: Dean T.
Posted: August 24, 2004
Wind, Dust and Dirt, but Vegas Baby, Vegas!
This was my third marathon, and it will be my last trip to Vegas...umm...wait...last trip running a marathon in Vegas. Yeah, that's better.
Seriously, the wind and dust started around mile 15 and lasted through mile 25. I ended the race feeling like a Sand Trooper from Star Wars.
Don't expect a glorious start/finish with thousands of spectators in front of the Mirage Volcano or the Bellagio water show. In fact, spectators consist of passing tumbleweeds and the occasional blue-belly lizard.
However, if the weather from mile 1 - 14 lasted through the entire course I'd have a different response. The organization and people were great, and you're in Vegas! Half the country is frozen-over and you’re sipping cocktails poolside at the Hard Rock shortly after the race.
I'd suggest this race if you're going to party in Vegas and not worried about a good time.
By: david a.
Posted: July 12, 2004
Good PR course
This course will give you a good shot at a PR. You start 26 miles outside of Vegas and on the other side of a small mountain range. The first 8.5 miles is a steady slow climb (fairly easy), you peak the mountains and then slowly descend for about 7.5 miles. The last 10 miles are flat and you can see Vegas in the distance. The weather last year was great for the first 16 miles and then the wind picked up and the last 10 miles were into a 30+ mph head wind (not enjoyable). With good weather this is a fast course.
By: Wayne C.
Posted: May 15, 2004
Another Marathon Success - Thanks to Al Boka
Great job Al Boka... Many thanks to you and the many wonderful volunteers who made this marathon a success. Vegas was my 7th marathon since May 2003 with never even running around the block before in my life! I have 10 marathons scheduled for 2004 so even at age 52 I am obviously a very enthusiastic beginner.
I did the 5km Fun Run on the Saturday which was perfect for us northern out-of-towners to get adjusted to the climate. It was minus 30 degrees at home in Edmonton so to have the opportunity to be outside in shorts was great.
I had my own spectator support as my family used the Vegas Marathon to have a family reunion... they were the 7 Canadians waving flags and banners at mile 15, 20 and at the finish line... they enthusiastically supported and encouraged all runners who went by them... I was proud of them!!
Every marathon provides different challenges along the way and Vegas provided many... I survived every challenge that the course and the weather conditions threw at me. I ran my own race and I won my own race!
Thanks again to you Al and your wonderful staff of volunteers. Hope to see you all again next year.
By: Joe H.
Posted: May 12, 2004
I thought Chicago was the Windy City!
Las Vegas was my first marathon. I love Las Vegas and thought it would either be Vegas or Arizona, but picked Vegas because of the city entertainment available after the race. I felt like the course was great for me. I didn't need a huge crowd and actually preferred the quiet desert. You have a slight incline up to about the 10-mile marker and then it's pretty much downhill from there.
At about the 15 mile marker I could see the Vegas hotels in a distance and that was kind of cool. As far as organization, things went well. The buses were easy to find and left on time. After the race they were waiting to take you back. The buses leave really early in the morning and we thought of sleeping in and taking a cab to Jean where the race started. The website stated that you couldn't take a cab to the starting line due to no access, but be advised that you can. The buses drop you off next to a public gas station. Note to self: if I run Vegas again, sleep in and take a cab.
The expo was smaller than I had expected but we picked up our packet with no problems. One problem with the expo seemed to be that the merchants were told that the expo would close a hour earlier than it actually did. No big deal but we showed up to get our numbers and shop, and all the merchants were grouchy and ready to go because they had been there all day and had expected to be leaving by then.
Little to no spectators, mostly family members, but that didn't bother me. You never run in the city, the race ends near the airport. I go to Vegas on my own time when I'm not running a race. We always walk around and drink beers. One thing to consider is that it's hard not to walk around a bunch and see Las Vegas, but yet we were trying to stay off our feet before the big race. A lot of things to eat and do after the race. Last but not least, the wind - oh god the wind was terrible. At the 13 mile marker we had 30 MPH headwinds that lasted until the 23 mile marker where the course changes directions. The wind was almost unbearable. I would do it again, but would pray for no wind.
By: Pat Hickey
Posted: February 09, 2004
A marathon worth my time and money!!!!
I was pleasantly surprised by the quality of this marathon. It was definitely well organized and after having run 26 all over the country, I have a basis for comparison. I've run Boston 8 times and it continues to be my favorite; and for anyone who aspires to do so, this is the course to qualify on. The wind we experienced has nothing to do with the course, or organization. Yes, I enjoy the hordes of folks who support us runners along the Boston course, but the stretches of solitude with the distant backdrop of the beautiful mountains can be just as inspirational during the race. Kudos to the organizers. I would run this race again, whether I needed to qualify for Boston or not. In fact, I might just do that next year.
By: Tom B.
Posted: February 07, 2004
Do something about the wind!
Organization was very good. Course was great. You need to have Gatorade on the course.
By: charlie gregory
Posted: February 06, 2004
A good well organized race
I thought the organization was great. I liked the idea of being able to wait on the warm busses at the start line before the race start. The weather and temp. were perfect at the start and I love seeing the sun come up in the desert. The course was as flat as any course of the 23 I had previously run. Some said there were rolling hills, but these runners have not run some of the hilly ones (Ridge Runner, Big Sur, etc). After about 2 hours into the race, the wind went from our back to 25 to 35 kts in our face. It was bad, but in almost every race weather is a factor. Wind or rain, heat or cold, etc. If you run and live in the East, you learn to live with it. It did add about 15 min. to my finish time, but again if not the wind, it would be something else.
I thought the finish area was too small for the amount of runners, but no worse than a lot of the other races. No spectators, but except for NY, Chicago and the other big ones, it was very typical. It would be really great if the course took you right up through the LV strip, but having been to Vegas many times over the years, I don't ever see it happening. Since I am a 50 Stater and will probably not run it again until I get the other states, I would definitely run it again.
By: Minou N.
Posted: February 05, 2004
Will never run this marathon again!
I was so disappointed with the Las Vegas 2004 marathon. I guess I had high standards since my experience running Los Angeles marathons.
There were no oranges or power gel packs by the time I reached mile 13 (2 hours 15 min). I didn't bring any carbs due to the abundance or assorted carbs distributed at the Los Angeles marathon. My body literally ran out of gas... and the wind was awful!
Why couldn't we run where we could have had spectators to help cheer the runners on? The spectators really make the run amazing.
This race was dull and boring... never again!!!!!!!
By: Dan K.
Posted: January 29, 2004
3d time -- still love it
I've run 6 marathons and 3 of them were on this course. The weather was perfect the first two times, but I don't love the race any less after the 2004 wind. Everything about this race is great: great course, great organization, great scenery (even those running well within their limits will have their breath taken away by the beauty of the rising sun illuminating the mountain range to the west), and a great bunch of enthusiastic fellow participants. I'll do this one every year I'm able to walk, much less run.
By: Merina B.
Posted: January 28, 2004
First-timer's impressions and regrets
This was my first ever half marathon. I thought the event was well run, and the course was good too. Is it just me, or did that chamber music before the last turn zap your energy too? I sleep to that stuff, and I want some good solid rock and roll near the end. I didn't notice the wind, either because it came up near the end of my race, or because my legs hurt too much and I needed to go to the bathroom... I'll never know.
I didn't know how far away the finish was until the last turn, and I would have found it helpful to have someone near the last km say, something like, 'Just turn left at that black power pole and go another 200 ft to the finish line.' Or something like that. I thought the party afterwards was great, although not that well attended. The DJ was super, the food tasty, and the free beer plentiful, if on the light side. I had a great time, and would love to stay for a week if I could, just to enjoy Vegas a little more.
P.S. Advice to any other first-timers... don't eat that greasy platter of appetizers at the MGM Grande's jungle restaurant the night before the race. I think that was my one single biggest regret of the whole trip. On the other hand I met some great people who I hope to meet again... especially the guy with the cute butt from New Jersey. Can I have your email?
By: Dean P.
Posted: January 27, 2004
Thanks to the workers that also had high winds
I want to pass along my sincere thanks to all the volunteers that stayed out in the winds with us to make sure we had liquids along the way. Without that stiff breeze that beat me up, I could have had more fun and a much better day. I help with our local marathon and know how difficult it is to find enough volunteers. These people are all 5 star performers. Thank you for helping me create another memory.
By: A Runner
Posted: January 26, 2004
I fought the wind, and the wind won.
This was my 18th marathon and 11th state. Personally I thought this event was beautifully organized given some of the logistic complexities with the shuttles at both the start and end of the race. I have come to appreciate races of this size and seek them out over the glitz, crowds and squeaky monkey prizes of the 'Rocky & Rolly' 'Super Sized' 'Mega Theme' marathons. I also have come to love a simple, accurate, well marked course as this one is.
This was my first time to Las Vegas and no, there is no marathon 'buzz' about town as others have noted. But how could there be in an amazing place like this? It is my contention that if the course ran up and down the Strip ten times and cut through all of the casinos twice no one would barely notice. I think the course that exists is beautiful, fairly fast and gets just as many, or maybe more spectators as an in-town course would.
Unfortunately I did not bet the odds on consecutive wind years. I now have full appreciation of how bad last year must have been. It was demoralizing to have good lovin' gone bad with that punishing grinder of a headwind for the last eleven miles. Especially after being teased with ideal conditions for the first fifteen. It definitely sandblasted my PR dreams away, but that's alright. This is what makes marathons all the same, but different.
By: Alex Rochette
Posted: January 26, 2004
Good Winter Marathon/Great Organization
I chose to run LV 2004 at the very last minute (on Friday night) and I had a very pleasant experience. The course is 10 miles slightly uphill (rolling hills), 8 miles downhill, and 8 miles flat. The weather in 2004 was near perfect for the first 16 miles... at mile 16 the wind picked up and by mile 18 the headwind was actually very strong (35 miles per hour according to the news reports).
The organization is fantastic. There are water/fuel stations every other mile or so until mile 20, then there is a station every mile. There was clocks at almost every mile marker. The volunteers did a great job... and the food at the end of the race is the best I have had so far (that is at the end of a race).
It was lacking crowd support except for the last 5-6 miles (downtown) and even then this didn't amount to much. This might just have been due to the sandstorm.
In my humble opinion, this is a great marathon.
By: Sergio M.
Posted: January 07, 2004
Great race, bad wind
Las Vegas, what else do you need? Bad weather last year. Great course downhill, so windy, no spectator in the course. I´ve run the half marathon and will run the full in the future.
By: Dan K.
Posted: August 16, 2003
Positive, but complaint about Ultima sports drink
Have run this marathon twice. It's great: flat, fast course, good weather, great organization (but recommend getting hotel at start line in Jean, Nev., rather than taking bus to start from LV). My only complaint is that the only sports drink available at the aid stations is Ultima, a ridiculous concoction that is 'low calorie' - as if marathoners were on diets! You'll bonk unless you use sports gels or otherwise provide for adequate glycogen replacement during the race.
By: VICKI N.
Posted: May 12, 2003
VERY GOOD RACE
Bus driver got lost on the way to the start line, but since we were on an early one it worked out. The weather was great at the start, and did get a little warm, but what can you expect for Las Vegas. The sunrise and the course were very inspiring. Nothing to look at but the sheer beauty of the desert. Had a lot of time to think and enjoy. Support stations were good, but fan support was weak. Best massage I ever had at the end. Well worth the run. Would love to do it again.
By: Stuart G.
Posted: April 10, 2003
Without the wind, this would be a fast course!
I plan to run this marathon again. I thought the course was awesome, and the wind, unfortunate.
I hope to be back to run again next year!
By: nancy a.
Posted: April 10, 2003
A training run not a marathon
You are running nowhere on a frontage road along the highway. The winds made it miserable. Port-o-potties were blown over. The frist 9 miles are undulating hills. I heard it was flat! There is a gentle downward slop later, but a hilly start. No fans, no distractions. If you need help during the course, you have to wait for a car to drive by... I used it as a training run for a spring marathon. I had someone come out to the course and pick me up at 18 since I did not want to complete the course. No other way to get to the finish unless I walked.
By: J. S.
Posted: April 04, 2003
Don't expect much, stay a few days and party after
That pretty much says it. LA, Chicago, Boston, hell even local marathons and 10k's shut down the streets for a few hours on sunday morning for a race but Vegas takes you from the middle of nowhere to a great view of the airport. The strip is only in the distance so don't get your hopes up. Again, I wasn't expecting more then a fast time and that didn't happen due to the wind so oh well... (the irony of it all is the wind was at would-be backs the day before and switched over night. With a 50 mph tailwind I think the top 50 would have qualified for the trials). The map doesn't show it well but the first 9-10 miles are up-hill and is a pretty good climb. I would say it equals out the cost-benefit, though the downhill comes when you need it.
My advice for next year: hope for better weather and stay a few days after the race and party in Vegas!
By: josh d.
Posted: March 31, 2003
PR? think again...
At the Gold Strike hotel the night before the race there was talk about the wind situation. I told myself I'd drop out at the 30k or 20mile if the conditions put me off my goal time.
Naturally, I ignored my plan and finished anyways and received the 'moral victory' of finishing in the 'year of the wind' but eliminating another shot at a spring race. On the upside, if you run this race, check out Death Valley and towns along Sierra Nevada mountains, lots of opportunities to run on sand dunes and trails (if you're able to run afterwards that is...)
By the way, stay at the Gold Strike and WALK to the start line. It baffles me why anyone would take a bus at 5:30 am from VEGAS when the race is at their doorstep in Jean.
By: Kim C.
Posted: March 07, 2003
Stay at the San Remo
My seventh marathon and one I will do it again just 'cause I love Vegas and I think it is a good fast course in normal (2003 was not normal) conditions.
We stayed at the San Remo across from the MGM. For an extra $25, you can check out as late as you want. Perfect for us, as our flight didn't leave until 11ish that night. Really great people and a reasonably priced hotel.
By: Jerry W.
Posted: February 27, 2003
Add this one to your list
Too many complaints about something the organizers have no control over, namely the wind. A major accomplishment for all who ran this race. Why complain about a desert course? You knew it coming in. Support was very good considering the weather conditions. Expo was not bad. Maybe small compared to Chicago or other big city races but had all you needed to see. Good course that I would love to run again with no wind. Was looking for a PR but was even more proud of finishing in the conditions. I rate this marathon very high and would recommend it to others. I will run it again.
By: Jim B.
Posted: February 25, 2003
Windy, but fun. Do it!!!
I'm not sure what all these whiners are talking about. Yeah, it was windy, which is nobody's fault (and unusual). The crowds were thin, but supportive. Hey, they're in Vegas. Do I expect them to get up at 6 a.m. to watch people run? NO! The race was well organized and the staff was very helpful and courteous. Downhill course is great. I found the desert interesting. I'm not sure what else you might want. If you like Vegas and want a PR, do it. If you want to run through a big city, go somewhere else. I loved it.
By: Howard M.
Posted: February 24, 2003
The worst I've experienced
I hate to be so negative, but I can say nothing positive about this race. The wind was disappointing, but not nearly as disappointing as the rest of the race.
Since I'm not a big fan of the negative feedback, let me be brief. This was my eighth marathon, and it's only the second that I haven't absolutely loved (one other I just liked).
Let me add just one complaint to those I hope you read in other postings. In the first 22 miles, there were about three turns (maybe two). I've always been taught to run tangents at turns to minimize your running distance. One of the turns and the third water stop (I think) were at mile eight. Well, you couldn't both run the tangent and get the water. Organizers who are thinking would have put the water on the other side of the street. Yes, it's a small thing, but when combined with the ugliness of the course, the lack of anything interesting to see during the opening 20+ miles, and the lack or organization at the finish, it adds up to a poor race.
I love Las Vegas, but I would never even consider this race again.
By: Russ Thurman
Posted: February 23, 2003
It should be a really, really fast course...
But for the year of the wind (35-50 MPH... really). Yes, I will do the race again, for the fast, easy course. Las Vegas has too much going on for people to take much notice of a marathon, so don't go for the fanfare. On the other hand, the volunteers were truly great, especially when you consider what they had to deal with in the heavy wind which carried buckets of dust into the eyes, ears and nose. Great course though. The route is a point-to-point run. It has a slight uphill grade for the first 8-9 miles, then rolling grade to mile 14. After that it is almost all flat or down hill. Well marked (accurately) with lots of support stations.
By: Robyn W.
Posted: February 11, 2003
Gone With the Wind
At around mile 9,I saw a large bird of prey flapping its wings yet unable to move as the violent unrelenting winds held it in place midair, like something in a cartoon. Perhaps it was a vulture, awaiting a hapless runner about to keel over, like one of the portapotties! It was torture TRYING to run, and any hopes of a PR were surrendered to Mother Nature & her awesome power. I was expecting locusts & hail at the halfway mat. And a clock!We didn't even see a record of split times.
The expo was puny & airless. The great wild gusts on race day more than made up for the lack of ventilation! The Las Vegas Expos of the 2 previous years were big shopping parties.
The water stations were a bit sparsely placed & each cup of water & Mr Clean-flavored sportsdrink had a residue of desert sand at the bottom. I do appreciate the folks who manned those stations, along with the law enforcement personnel managing traffic.
The finish area was understaffed. Maybe it was nearly abandoned by volunteers when I arrived there. The few snack items offered were quite poor & I didn't see medical tents. Had they blown away into the desert like many of the mile markers?
The buses were efficient & the availability of real bathrooms at the Gold Strike Hotel at the start were high points.
I recommend a post-marathon buffet dinner at the Luxor's Pharoah's Pheast. It's an all-you-can-eat wide variety of items, & not at all busy on a Sunday evening.
By: Stuart S.
Posted: February 10, 2003
Disappointed
They couldn't have picked a more unhealthy place to run a marathon, unless they host it in a Kentucky Fried Chicken franchise.
The first half of the race was spectator free -- though I15 paralleled the course, the cops made the brave few leave.
This should be a fast course, but the wind was abominal -- the winner for the last 2 years did it in 2:18; this year's winner did it in 2:33 -- making it my worst ever.
Plenty of water and medical; Nice medal; Volunteers great.
By: A Runner
Posted: February 10, 2003
Tips for future LVMarathoner's
Besides the wind.... about which there was not much you could do but grin and bear it....
1) The LVMarathon site showed some 'deals' at the hosting hotels. I was able to book at the MGM two weeks prior and beat the $159/night price by $40/night for a Sat/Sun stay. Check around. BTW, MGM was not amenable to late checkout either (11 AM).
2) This is a chip race, but they did not allow use of personal chips. More of a nuisance.
Otherwise, the organization, course, course support were all first rate.
By: Terry Dobson
Posted: February 07, 2003
Enjoyed my first marathon!
I completed my first marathon and loved every step of it. I had hoped for a 3:30, ended up at 3:37, and discovered afterwards that given the conditions it wasn't so bad. The wind was certainly strong but I didn't think about it much. We all like challenges or we wouldn't try to run these things, the wind just made it a little more challenging. I'm hoping my next one is under better conditions and therefore may find it a little easier.
Thanks to Dan the bodybuilder from Ohio who encouraged me to drink at the early water stations, and thanks to the 20-30 anonymous guys and gals I ran in a herd with from about mile 14 to 21. Who were some of you? Any photos of that pack?
Also thanks to the voluteers, it must have be terrible to stand in that wind while being soaked with water and Ultima.
I can't really rate the marathon with nothing to compare it too. I really enjoyed the humour and encouragement of my fellow runners along the way.
By: Susan M.
Posted: February 06, 2003
This was my first marathon...
...and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. Yes, the winds made the course grueling. We all felt like we struggled uphill for 22 miles. We got sand in our eyes, debris flung at us, and our breath taken away.
Personally, when I had a chance to look up and view the scenery, I thought it quite beautiful. Some people say how desolate it is, but it's important to remember you are in the middle of the desert. Still, with the mountains in the background I thought it had a quiet, austere beauty to it.
Most of all, I thank all the many volunteers that had to bundle up against the winds and risked getting wet by handing out ultima or water. I thanked several along the way, but I don't think they fully realize how much they were appreciated. I also very much apprecaited the many police officers that held traffic in order to allow me to pass unimpeded even though I was a back-of-the-packer. I tried to thank them also.
Lastly, there were the few spectators that came out to watch that made everything worth it especially considering the awful weather conditions that day. I am so very grateful to those that shouted and clapped encouragement along the way.
This marathon will forever remain an exceedingly memorable experience. I will most definitely do this race again (probably in 2005).
By: Erin L.
Posted: February 06, 2003
Wind? What wind?
...Just kidding! It was very windy. My worst time ever for a marathon. I had hoped for a PR but was sadly dissapointed. Organisation was great from start to finish. I will be back to claim my PR next year!
By: Kathleen Poe
Posted: February 06, 2003
Braving the winds in Vegas
I went to Vegas looking for a PR. I wanted to do this one because of the overall elevation drop, and the rumoured fast times waiting for the prepared runner. Who could have guessed that there would be 40-50 mph winds that prevented anything close to PRs and had most runners just hoping to finish? The desert is beautiful, and it's kind of fun to start in the middle of nowhere and feel like you're running back to civilization. The winds weren't as bad for the first 8 miles or so, but they were there from the beginning. Once they started hitting us with full force they never let up. I chuckled as I passed portapotties that had been blown over - that is, I chuckled until I needed one! The course was good, but monotonously straight. The race organizers did a good job, but some of the aid stations seemed pretty far apart, especially in the later miles. But the volunteers were very good in light of the weather they had to endure. The crowds, when we finally saw them, were lousy. They didn't cheer, they just stood there. I've never seen spectators that didn't cheer for anyone! In fact, when I was coming to the finish line, full of pep from the nice little tailwind, I wanted to hear some noise. But the crowd was silent! I actually yelled to them - 'Come on, I want to hear some cheers!' - and I got a few half-hearted attempts. Maybe they were mad at the weather too. I think I'd try this one again, though. In any other year, the conditions have to be better than this. Despite the weather, this was my second best marathon time ever. Imagine what I could have done without that darn wind!! I'll be back...
By: Kent K.
Posted: February 05, 2003
Yeah, but it's a DRY wind.....
The winds for the 2003 race were absolutely unbelievable. It started as a stiff cross-wind during the 9-mile uphill segment, then, just as you passed the 'keyhole' at about the 15k mark to start the downhill section, WOW. It seemed to shift into a headwind, AND pick up speed (the weather folks said 35-40mph, w/ gusts approaching 50...I believe them). It ruined times, and it completely demoralized you to the point of wanting to just quit and get out of the wind. But, like some others mentioned here, the race folks couldn't do anything about it. It was just one of those freaks of nature that could happen at any race.
Although lots of spectators or perhaps a trip down the strip past the big hotels would be nice, the race folks don’t promise anything of the sort. It’s pretty obvious that the town doesn’t make much of a fuss over the marathon. In fact, it was hard to know--even at the host hotels--that there WAS a marathon taking place that weekend. So, given that, what you ARE promised is a long run through the desert, and (usually) a fast course. You’re a complete moron if you come to this race and don’t expect long periods of isolation.
The volunteers were really great. I don’t think I could have stood out as long as they did in those conditions for absolutely no glory. But they did. Thanks! Overall, the race IS well-organized. The only really big suggestion would be for there to be clocks or volunteers calling the mile splits at each mile. Oh well.
My one piece of advice for future runners of this race would be to stay at the Gold Strike in Jean, where the start line is. There just isn’t enough that can be said for doing your entire pre-game ritual in the comfort of your own hotel room (and bathroom), until about 15 minutes before the race starts. Plus, the rooms are about 1/3 or less of the cost of those in town, and they are really big rooms, too (bigger than those at the MGM, for example).
(By the way--It WAS a dry wind: dry, dirty, gritty, coarse, epidermal-erasing, eyesight-impairing, tooth-enamel-eliminating, monster of a wind. Put another way, fans of Michael Crichton's 'Prey' needn't worry about finding any nano-swarms in THIS Nevada desert!)
By: Mark L.
Posted: February 05, 2003
Decent Course; Tough conditions in 2003
As everyone else has noted, the wind was tremendous and added anywhere from 20 secs to 1 minute per mile. It was 3/4 to head-on for 22 miles. There were times when I was literally stopped! And, dust and sand repeatedly pelted me, so much so that my eyes filled with sand/grit. At the end, my eyes hurt more than my legs and I eventually discovered the grit had caused some minor abrasions of the eye. The course has a lot of potential for a fast time, but 2003 was not to be. For instance, the winning time was a good 15 minutes slower than the prior year's. The Gold Strike Hotel as noted elsewhere is much less cooperative with runners, for instance with late check-out times---they just didn't seem to value our business much. Organization was fine, but not yet up to the standards of CIM in Sacramento. Thanks definitely to the hardy volunteers who hung on in the horrible wind for hours and hours. Their effort was comparable to that of the runners. The scenery was okay; when the sun lit up the mountains near the beginning, it was quite impressive. Overall, I think I would return if it worked for my schedule.
By: Marcy V.
Posted: February 05, 2003
not what I thought
Well by now everyone knows about the 49 mph headwinds in 2003...so I won't go on about them.
The course is supposed be fast and downhill but I don't think it is as intense as the map makes it out to be. I think it is more flat than anything else. The winds made it impossible to really get a feel for the course.
If you are looking for an exciting race, I wouldn't recommend Vegas. The strip is awesome but the race is so-so. The town really doesn't care about the runners, and the host hotels could care less as well. I think vets wanting to PR should go for it, but first timers might have a better experience running a bigger, more organized race (i.e., NY, Chicago)
By: Bob Yee
Posted: February 05, 2003
Pretty (Desert Scenery) Ugly (Winds)
Marathon #7 & my slowest one, but hey they always told you that you can't screw with Mother Nature. She provided the nice desert scenery free of charge but we really 'paid' for it by running into the wind. This is a very fast course but with sustained <b>headwinds of 35 mph & gusting 50 mph+</b>, it was really a challenge to get through it. I feel very proud that I was up to the task along with so many others. In fact, I & many others joked about the winds up until we turned away from them at around the end of mile 23. Many thanks to the race organizers & volunteers that stayed on the course & at the finish under such brutal conditions. I stayed on the Strip at the Alladin Resort & it was GREAT. Took some gambling lessons and didn't donate too much $$$ to the Las Vegas Building Fund. My advice: <b>The wind was an anomaly--try this race in 2004!</b>
By: Bill Abendroth
Posted: February 05, 2003
Dusted in the Wind
Now, now...Let's not be so harsh here. the Las Vegas Marathon has its place. Of course the scenery is not good. But it's Vegas, for god's sakes. It's not like the race organizers deliberately picked a route by passing the large river and breath-taking canyons. That's what the countryside looks like. If you don't like endless desert scrub (and very few people do), don't run this marathon.
Vegas in 2003 was cursed. Everyone in Vegas told me that January was the best January ever. The days leading up to 2/2 were perfect--and so were the days after. No one could plan on a constant 25-30 mph wind in your face day, with gusts hitting 50 mph. The wind was hard, relentless, and unforgiving. I tell you, I saw at least a dozen portapotties that had blown over on their side. This was my 12th marathon, and the first time I ever seriously considered taking a DNF. The race was just simply no fun at all--but that wasn't the organizers' fault.
What is the organizers' fault is the course map posted on the web site is the worst course map I have ever seen for a marathon. As far as I could tell, the finish was nothing like that detailed on the map (of course, I was half out of my mind at the finish, so who knows). The paper detailing the bus logistics was also confusing re what times the buses left to take everyone to Jean--26 miles out of town. Ordinarily, both of those conditions would have resulted in a two star mark down on 'organization.'
But Vegas really earned a five star for organization this year. The buses from the MGM to the start ran smoothly, and there were ample buses. Most people got to the start over an hour early, but the buses stayed at the start. Waiting runners had a warm, comfortable place to stay prior to the start. The buses at the finish (returning the runners to the MGM) were numerous, and the lines moved well. Excellent work, Vegas!
Where Vegas really shined, though, was coping with the disasterous weather. Volunteers hung in through the miserable wind & even more miserable runners. The cut off time was extended, allowing many border line people to finish. Even after the aid stations closed, large numbers of cups with water/ultima were left for stragglers. The post race food was also good.
Were there any spectators? Of course not. You're in the middle of the desert. You want cheering crowds? Don't go to Vegas.
Did I have a good time? No. The race was miserable from start to finish. But that's not the question. The question is was there anything the race organizers could have done to make the race less miserable? And the answer is no--Al & his troops rose to the occasion, and did a hell of a good job.
That said, you only run Vegas for one reason: it's a fast, fast, fast marathon baby--at least when the wind's not blowing. If you're looking for anything else, maybe you better go to the Rock & Roll instead.
In terms of past criticisms--the medal is good; one of the better medals I have. The shirt is cotton/poly, but a nice long sleeve with a good silkscreen logo. The expo was good--not the best expo ever, but an appropriate size expo for this size of marathon. Overall, I have to say that Al & his people took all the past criticisms of their marathon to heart, and resolved those problems--which is more than can be said about many races (not just the Rock & Roll, but that's another review).
One last note--if you're ever in Las Vegas, for god sakes do not waste your money on the Blue Man Group show. It stinks. Go see Cirque du Soliel instead.
By: liz r.
Posted: February 04, 2003
Blown away!
Know first off that it was so windy this year that the portapotties were being blown down. Not a normal year. Putting that aside, the race was great. The course is virtually flat---beware the slight rise in the beginning, balanced by the slight downhill at the end. The desert is beautiful. It feels like a discovering-America-by-driving-across-the-West movie. Don't expect a lot of spectators, this race is just for the runners the first twenty miles. The organization was sharp: buses ran well to the start, you get to stay on the heated bus until the gun, facilities (though oddly no toilet paper) at the start along with water and purportedly coffee. Plenty of intrepid volunteers even in the wind. Pretty good expo. I'd do it again next year. Maybe I'd get a tailwind this time.
By: Eric Schneider
Posted: February 04, 2003
tough day on the job
All the planning in the world can't overcome the elements. Gale force winds made the event a challenge, and it was disappointing to the runners that the clock doesn't do justice to our level of effort. Interestingly, I heard no complaints during the race about the weather. Everyone I saw just gutted it out.
Deserts can be beautiful: the one parallelling I-215 isn't.
By: Richard Ervais
Posted: February 04, 2003
Not a fast course this year
Not too much you can do about the wind (45 mph headwinds this year). The course isn't terribly exciting, but if there had been a tailwind I'm sure I would have better appreciated the flatness. How much more exciting it would be if the course ran down The Strip and/or ended at a casino. I read that the marathon organizers get very little support from the city or local corporations, so kudos to them for all of the work they do especially with no money. They are very nice people. If they could afford it, some clocks on the course would be great. I didn't see any until the finish line. I was very surprised that the sponsor hotels wouldn't work with the runners -- my first night hotel, Gold Strike, at the start line, would not give us an extra hour to check out (noon instead of 11 a.m.) without charging us for an extra day and my second night hotel, Tropicana, would not let us check in before 3 p.m. Friends of mine missed the half-marathon shuttle because the front desk at Gold Strike told them the shuttle starts at 5:45 a.m. (that's actually the last one) and they came down just after it left.
By: Winnie W.
Posted: February 04, 2003
A dispiriting experience. Will not return.
This was my 6th marathon, and I consider myself a low-maintenance runner(I don't need bands, tons of spectators, or tons of freebies). I ran this expressly for the purpose of PR'ing and qualifying for Boston. Unfortunately, due to the cold 30-50 mph headwind we had for 23 miles straight (and a rather nasty tailwind during the steep last 3 miles downhill), I doubt anyone PR'd this year. My time was my worst ever.
I realize the weather was not under the organizers' control, so I can't blame them for that. Still, some attention to the basics would have made this a much better race. The aid stations were not competently manned overall. I and another runner had to take off our own chips outside the chutes because no one was there to help us. The tables at the finish were sparse. I've seen more food after a 5K. I stood there for a few minutes waiting for someone to give me a banana until I finally went ahead and put my own food in my bag (other runners ended up doing this as well). The few volunteers were busy standing around talking to each other.
Also, I realize that Vegas is a gambling town, but it would have been nice to have some community support. None of the drivers in the city acknowledged us as we were coming in, except to argue with policemen who wouldn't let them drive through us. I counted five locals on the sidelines the last 3 miles who made any noise at all. Again, I don't need a lot of crowd support, but we felt more like intruders and obstacles than heroes.
And a word about the Lucky Strike in Jean: don't let the 'no two-night minimum' fool you. My family's room was booked in October for Saturday night only under the marathon code. When my mother, who was running the half, went to get our room, she was told she would not be able to use the shuttle because we didn't buy the marathon package. Even after she showed them our confirmation, they refused. She ended up paying for an extra day that we did not need. When we returned after the marathon for our luggage, the hotel had changed the key because they only had us booked for one night! After much hassle, we proved we had paid for the room an extra day, got our luggage, and checked out. Very shoddy treatment.
The Neveda running club told us during the course bus ride that Vegas Tourism had rescinded its sponsorship of this marathon because it didn't think 8,000 runners and their support teams bring in any money to the local economy. I saw plenty of runners and their friends and family members gambling and going to shows. My family put down a lot of dough during this trip. Too bad Vegas only cares about its high rollers.
By: Sean C.
Posted: February 04, 2003
Las Vegas Wind Tunnel Marathon
All I can say is this was a brutal race this year. I went into this race hoping for a PR and came out of it simply having finished it. Consistent 35 MPH headwinds with gusts near 60 MPH. It was the hardest phsical challenge I have ever faced and I for one am proud to have finished. The wind was not typical for this race and can only be described as 'an act of God'. I feel sorry for all the people who tried to qualify for Boston at this race as it was nearly impossible. From my perspective the race was well organized and went as smoothly as possible given the horrific winds. However I would still recommend this race to someone trying to qualify for Boston as it would indeed be a very fast course without the wind we had this year. Congratulations to all who finished the Las Vegas Wind Tunnel Marathon 2003!
By: A RUNNER
Posted: February 04, 2003
Well operated race under bad conditions
The winds (sometimes gusting over 40mph) made it miserable on the race course this year but I still gave the course a rating of 4 because it is flat and with hills, the wind would have felt even worse. Organization was 5 stars thanks in part to the volunteers who braved the winds and cranky runners for over 6 hours. The buses to the start line allowed us to stay on and stay out of the wind until the start of the race. The finish line personel were great and the crowd support was great (what little there was). I honestly don't know that I could have stood out there and cheered for as long as some of those persons did given the windy conditions. Don't let the wind discourage you from the race as a local assured me that it was unseasonal and had even surprised him.
By: Ralph Firehouse Grill Marathon Team
Posted: February 04, 2003
Visit whosnyc.com!
I did the half marathon, and it was a great time! You start just to the right of I-15 by the RV park just before dawn. You are able to stay in the buses right up to 5 minutes before the start and away you go, down the road straight ahead is the Vegas stip, beautiful mountains on your left, sun coming up over the desert on your right. If you need people clapping and shouting your name, put it on a tape recorder and play it on your walkman! If you're out to run and see sights straight from 'Forrest Gump' run this marathon or at least do the half. You'll still have legs left afterwards to hit the 79 cent beer!! Great time!
By: Matt Winberry
Posted: February 04, 2003
Organizers deserved a better fate
This was my first marathon ever, and I was, quite literally, blown away. If you're going to run a marathon (or do anything outside) in Las Vegas, you have know that windy conditions are a possibility. Wind was an unfortunate reality race day, as we faced 40 mile per hour sustained headwinds from about mile 9 through mile 22. As a result, I was quite disappointed with my own performance, and I'll be back next year to try and right this wrong. Many folks that wanted to get personal bests or qualifying times on this (usually) easy course were pretty disappointed.
So if the race was such a downer to me, why did I state that I plan on coming back? Well, despite Mother Nature's curveball, I have to say that the organizers of this race did a fantastic job. The weather wasn't their fault. There was MORE than enough water (every mile at the end.) Every water station was identical to every other water station, and they were very well staffed. The busses were organized very well, and the pre-race expo was a lot of fun. One criticism--avoid the pasta party. It wasn't worth $20, but I'm picking nits here. I only gave the course 4 stars because I would really love it if the route ran down the Strip, but I understand that this would cause a logistical nightmare for the city. Hey, I can dream, right? As it is, you're out in the middle of nowhere for a while, so if you run for scenery, look elsewhere. However, if you're looking for 'runner friendly', then this one is primo. The fan support is pretty lousy, so if this is important to you then you'll be disappointed. Hmm... seems like altering the course to run down the strip might solve THIS problem as well...
By: Jay K.
Posted: February 03, 2003
2003: Strong wind = lousy time, but fun!
Okay, it was a headwind for 22 miles, miserable conditions but runners sucked it up and finished. The course was great, but don't expect spectators or fanfare. It's in the desert, so just show up & run, wind or no wind.
By: dana s.
Posted: February 03, 2003
Very hard because of inclimate conditions
I probably would have had a PR however I have a PW(personal worst)because of the windy conditions. I am just glad that I finished it. I have run 7 marathons and this was number 7 I am glad I ran it and would probably run it again. The fan support is not there, and the scenery is beautiful. The wind is the only drawback and that is just one of those things you cannot prepare for unless you train in a wind tunnel. But overall I would run it again.
By: Ronald K.
Posted: February 03, 2003
lesson learned
The 2003 LVM was a lesson I'm sure for many of us - no matter how well you trained, no matter how well you pick your race, no matter what the conditions have been in the past - something can throw a wrench into all of it. The horrendous winds for the first 23 miles were too much to take. You kept thinking they were going to die down, but it just kept coming at it's 40-50 mph strength. It was a real learning experience, and a lesson I don't want to repeat. Vegas is fun, and I'll be back, but hopefully without the wind.
By: Charles Stewart
Posted: February 03, 2003
Two intervals with chip, 21.5 miles Same direction
Even with chip timing we only traveled over a mat at the half and finish pts for a grand total of one recorded time interval. The Route traveled in the same direction for 21.5 miles or more. This was a problem with the winds this year. Because the route didn't turn we had head wind for 21.5 miles of 25 to 50 mph. Support for this event was poor. Water was available every two miles for most of the race. Considering the dry conditions of a desert race this is not good. There were no split times provided during the race. The refreshments after the race were terrrible. Dried out dinner rolls and left over yogurt from a 'Race for the Cure' event were the highlights. Medical personel were hard to find after the race because they were not in the finsh reception area but rather in the area behind it.
This event attracted over 3500 people and had the support of two large hotels, Nike Town and Ultima Sport Beverage.
With this kind of support you would think the promoter and organizer could have done more for the runners.
Suggestions:
1> Change the route so that it faces many directions and provides more than one perspective of Las Vegas.
2> Using the chip timing technology that you enforce all runners to have, provide recorded split times at the 10k, 15K, half marathon, and 20 mile marks as well as called out spilts more frequently than that.
3> Provide medical support to review all finishers (at the finish line) for such things as hypothermia, dehydration, hypogycemia, and other obvious conditions. Ensure that all finishers are directed to the water, instructed to drink and shown where the first aid area is.
4> Provide better refreshments for the finishers and make sure there is enough for everyone to have two or three of everything. These people just burned as many as three thousand calories and lost as much as 5 to 10 pounds. Don't tell anyone 'sorry only one banana per runner'.
Good Luck, I hope to hear runners tell me how much they enjoyed the race in 2004. I won't be back until things have improved.
By: Dave S.
Posted: February 03, 2003
The worst
Pick a different marathon, the scenery is nice for a couple of miles then even it is repetative. Organization is average - at best. spectators - none
By: frannie t.
Posted: February 03, 2003
Fast and focussed run
This was a bear of a marathon.50 mile an hour head winds for 24.2 miles and then a fantastic 2 mile tail wind which made it all worthwhile. I personally hate crowds so this is just the answer, desert, not too many participants and very few spectators until the end. Lets get down to Business. Qualified for Boston despite the weather conditions. Very well organized. good tip: stay at the Gold Strike hotel just by the starting line, no queues for porter potties straight out and away you go.
By: Erika S.
Posted: January 19, 2003
Don 't get your hopes up in Las Vegas
I thought this marathon was going to be great. Don't expect to see any part of the city. First they dump you out in the middle of the desert, then you run a straight line back to the hotel! In addition, there are no spectators until mile 20!!! If you want to run a great marathon, run Chicago's!
By: Vizdoria Meztradrat
Posted: January 01, 2003
WONDERFUL TIME!!!
WOW! FUN-FUN-FUN! I really love the Las Vegas Marathon! Perfect for everyone! And I must say that it is very pretty! :)
By: Anonymous
Posted: November 23, 2002
Had a wonderful experience
Didn't mind the desolate first 8 miles, or the lack of spectators. Met some great people, and qualified for Boston. The Ultima tasted like battery acid, however.
By: Anonymous
Posted: October 02, 2002
Stunning desert start into lively urban finish.
I ran this marathon in 2001 and aside from doing a PR in my 11 marathon race career, the course was beautiful. I've just decided to try entering the 2003 race. The field is not too crowded and the road provides a unique way to enjoy the terrain in a couple of very different settings. THANK YOU!
By: Anonymous
Posted: April 30, 2002
Really Liked It !!!
Liked the course and very organized marathon. Not many fans out on the course, but a very well run race. I guess the best thing I can say about it is I'll be going back next year to run it. You can't beat Las Vegas for a marathon.
By: Anonymous
Posted: March 28, 2002
Should be much better.....
I was expecting so much more with a city renowned for its excesses. Perhaps that is what lead me to my disappointment. This race in reading the other postings either receives rave reviews, or slams.
The course was about as vanilla as it possibly could be, straight through the desert (interesting for about two miles) with nary a second on the strip.
Organization was poor, water stops were poorly placed and under staffed. There was literally no food at the finish. Much better races for the money.
Spectators were good once your reached the city (about mile 20) other than that there were none. If you are looking for a spartan race this is a great pick. If you are looking to have fun....look elsewhere.
By: Anonymous
Posted: March 08, 2002
Pure runner's course, adequate support
This was my 11th marathon. I have run Boston, NYC, LA, CIM, Marine Corps, Death Valley, Chicago, Rock 'n' Roll, and Las Vegas is now my first choice marathon. I run marathons to better my PR, and to me there is nothing more fun than that! This race is in my opinion the perfect environment for a good performance - a net downhill, straight (with a few turns at the end), adequate support, cool weather, few distractions, and a small enough field to make for less hassles at the start and finish. Personally, I love the desert, so I think the course is very scenic too.
This year they had new medals which I think are very nice and an improvement over last year. The t-shirt and expo are decent, but nothing to rave about. These extras mean little to me, when compared to the personal satisfaction and pride of running a new PR!
By: Anonymous
Posted: March 04, 2002
No flashing lights or bells ringing!
Course: Fast and Boring, Boring is an understatement.
Organization: They need to show the Casinos management how the New York, Chicago, and the other big marathon revenue makers bring in money and prestige to the city.
Spectators: You'll be able to count them on both hands!
Packet pickup: Slow for the amount of people registered
Expo: No complaints
Pasta Dinner: Two types of pasta, three types of sauces, salad, rolls and a brownie. Served in a type of building that we midwest people refer to as a 'Cow Palace' Save the $18.00 dollars and just get a nice meal at one of the casinos.
Finish Line: Uneventful, very simple
Finishers Medal: Very Good
Party afterwards: At the most there were 30 people there around an hour or two before they closed it. Same place as the pasta dinner. Forget it and go to a casino and loose your dollars, you'll have more fun.
Overall: The volunteers and runners were all very nice. A good downhill course for a decent time.
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 14, 2002
One can run a fast marathon on this course
This marathon offers everything necessary to run a fast time:
- Straight course with only a few turns toward the end.
- No extreme elevation changes any where on the course(either up or down) with a 600 feet or so net elevation drop.
- Ideal running temperture - High 30's at the start and low 50's at the finish
- Low humidity -- it's the desert.
- Plenty of well staffed water stops..the race organizers did a good job on this.
- Plenty of room to run. There are always runners around you, but they are not crowding you like in NYC or Boston.
Bottom line, if you are looking for a P.R. or Boston Qualification, this will be a good marathon for you. If you are looking for other things like fancy pasta dinner or loud cheering fans, go to NYC or Chicago.
A good tip -- Stay the the Gold Stike Hotel near the starting line. It will give you extra sleep time on the race day, and you don't have to sit in the bus for two hours waiting for the start. The hotel provides free shuttle service back from the finish line, and offers runners a 5 P.M. late check out. And it's cheap and clean -- I paid $65 a night this year.
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 14, 2002
Awesome race
This is an excellent race for a fast time. I beat my previous marathon times by 35 minutes. It is an awesome experience to be running in the desert with the las vegas skyline viewable from mile 15 or so. Perfect weather conditions. The race was so well organized everything went like clock work. I will def. return to vegas when I am closer to qualifying for boston - that would be the race to do it.
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 12, 2002
I would run this marathon again!
I loved the mountains and I loved seeing the strip at mile 16. We were able to also go hiking and shopping and dining all in one city. Great food, great shopping, great dining and great running. I brought my own fan - my husband, who even got a parking ticket to see me run.
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 09, 2002
Highly recommend
I ran the marathon relay several times in the past, but decided to do the marathon this year. The organizers definitely did a terrific job in improving the intangibles this year. The t-shirts and medals were a much nicer design and actually distinguish between the half marathon and the marathon. The bus ride was well organized although we may have left a little earlier than necessary but then again I would rather arrive early than worry about being late and not having enough time for the restroom or to check my bag. The bag drop off and pick up was well organized and it was really easy and quick to pick up my clothes after the race when I really needed them. The course is a pretty fast course, mostly flat although you need to be careful in the first 8 miles of the run as it is enough of a gradual uphill that if you’re not careful, you may be struggling later in the race. The only thing that I would change about this race is the start time to 7:00 AM or even at the same time as the half marathon because it can get warm later in the race in Las Vegas. We were definitely lucky this year with the weather. I would definitely recommend this marathon to anyone who is interested in running a fast marathon because this is a good course to run well on. I certainly plan on being back next year if not for the marathon, then the half marathon.
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 08, 2002
Vegas Baby!
This was a lot of fun, the course (don't get sucked into the downhill course line) the first 8.5 was uphill, which was not too bad, the next 10 were mostly downhill, the remainder was relatively flat with a litlle elevation up and down. If you go stay at the Gold Strike the night before, its clean and most importantly CLOSE(and gets you away from Vegas distractions)! The scenery was barren desert but I enjoyed it, the spectators were missing but really did not bother me. The aid stations and help were top rate and well stocked. Overall I would definitely recommend this race. After all is there a better post race party town than Vegas!
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 07, 2002
Highly recommended
This was my first marathon, and I would recommend it to any runner who wants to run one. The course was great, not too many people, but who looks around anyway. This course makes it easier to concentrate on the race. If you are going to put in the time and effort needed to run a marathon, you may as well come to someplace fun like Vegas.
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 07, 2002
Would not have missed it
Perfect weather for 26.2... A little up hill at the begining and a long... downhill... to the finish. Not a lot of things going on during the race but for a Wisconsin runner being out in the desert it was kinda neat. Much critisism on lack of fan support... all I can say is get over it... run your race and be done with it. If you need constant cheering along the way go to Chicago, New York or San Diego. The Volunteers along the course and at the finish were fantastic... the fan support that was there was very enthusiastic and gave you that extra little boost when you needed it. The finishers area was OK.. an ample bag of goodies with plenty of water..They did stop giving massages a little early, my friend and I finished in the 4 hour range and massages were getting shut down. Ending up on the strip would have been cool... but then, probably someone would complain about that too.
All in all... if you are a low maintenance runner, looking for a fast mostly down hill race with just enough goodies... Vegas is a great run.
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 07, 2002
Marathon Bliss
The climate was perfect for a marathon. The bright sun, dry air, and coolness made for an almost magical run. Surpisingly, I enjoyed the 1-way straight path. The bus rides were very well planned and administered. One note of improvement for the evening party: introduce the key organizers (e.g., Al Boka) and award plaques to the winners. This would lend more of a purpose to the evening event than just pretzels, drinks, and canned music.
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 07, 2002
Great Experience
This was my first marathon, and it was a great experience. Relatively easy course (mostly flat) in the desert, with the Strip skyline in front of you, and the finish line in a public park. The water stations were always well stocked, the bus loading was efficient, and they provided coffee, water and portapotties at the start. No spectators until the last 1/3, but who would want to stand around in the desert anyway? Loved the medal, was a combination of a roulette wheel and stop watch.
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 07, 2002
Great PR course with desert beauty.
The course is FAST. There's a noticeable uphill between miles 4 and 8 but the downhill from 8 to 18 more than makes up for it. I thought the desert scenery was going to be mind numbingly boring but was pleasantly surprised by the beauty I found in the first 18 miles. After mile 18, it's urban ugly and the last 3 miles totally SUCKED! We ran on an open road with just one lane dedicated to runners, the airport on one side, and industrial parks on the other. It was a tough finish to an otherwise fantastic course.
There's almost no fan support so be ready for solitude! The casinos and the rest of Vegas seem absolutely oblivious to the fact the marathon was being run. Even the hotel staff at the packet pick-up were clueless!
I stayed at the Gold Strike in Jean on Saturday night and avoided the early bus ride to the start. Talk about convenient. Roll out of the hotel five minutes before start time, warm up jog to the start line, drop the sweats at the sweat truck, and begin the race.
A great race for your PR. I bettered my time by 12 minutes over my time in LA last March.
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 07, 2002
Awesome!!!
A fast course!! Anyone who whines hasn't run too many marathons!! Great organization!! Good Post-party!! Beautiful MEDAL and a nice Race shirt!! What do you expect for $100? Nice Pavillion!! Had everything I needed. Want a PR; this is the race to do it, you just have to slow yourself down for the first 8 miles and then you are on your way HOME!!
I'll be coming back for this one!!
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 06, 2002
Fun for a first-timer
I really liked most of the marathon. My only desire is that they find a way to keep the route perfectly straight all the way to the end. It was discouraging for me to be unable to see the finish line (and BOY did I need to see the finish line on my first marathon!), but everything else was really nice. There may not have been many supporters, but the ones who were there were great! The aid stations were adequate and the volunteers were great. I liked the medal and the shirt and felt like a real winner even though my time was not one. I think that other than being unable to see the end, the hills were the only other killer for me. They lasted for the first 9 miles of the course and even though they were gradual, they were nearly enough to break my spirit. Overall it was a good experience though.
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 06, 2002
Enjoyable Run
Nice run in the desert with the Las Vegas Strip skyline visible for about the last half of marathon; like a carrot at the end of the stick. This event was well organized and fun. Who needs screeching maniacs along an entire course...you'll just end up with a headache afterwards. The crowd support was certainly adequate as were after race refreshments. And who cares if the rest of Las Vegas is uninvolved or unaware of the event, the city has other diversions. Not everyone's world of entertainment centers around runnning, but for those of us in which it does, this is one to put on your running list.
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 05, 2002
Don't listen to the childish whiners...
Why do people whine about this race so much? This race offers two things; a FAST course (I mean PR-by-a-ton kinda fast) and great logistics. There aren't a lot of spectators until the last few miles, which I don't really mind. You can get a room in Vegas for very little dough. What the hell else do people expect in a smallish marathon that's run on a rural course?
If you want to run a PR in beautiful, crisp weather, and have fun in Vegas when you're done, then this is a quality race.
If you want thousands of spectators, an urban course, or other BS things, than this race isn't for you....
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 05, 2002
I loved this marathon
This was only my second marathon and I thoroughly enjoyed it! The weather was perfect and the course was fast. It would have been nice to have more fans along the course and perhaps some music. I thought there was plenty of water and sports drink available. The expo could have been organized a little better. I did not like the long line for the chip and it should have moved off to the side instead of blocking the main entrance. It would be nice to get sponsorship from one of the bigger casinos. Overall, I would run the course again and hope to do so next year.
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 05, 2002
The Course That Keeps Giving, Again!
I've run this marathon 2 years in a row, 3:17:08 & 3:16:10. It's a great course, with great weather and adequate Aid stations. I don't understand the guy who's disappointed. You don't come to Vegas for the Carb Load Dinner, or the party afterwards, you come for the PR (fast) course...PERIOD. It's not about the scenery, the crowd support, the medal, or the T-shirt. It's about exploiting your abilities to run fast. If want that other stuff, run L.A. or Chicago. And there were organizers patrolling the course on bike, as several passed me and asked how I was feeling. I hope they never change a thing about this marathon!
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 05, 2002
What a big disappointment!
The pasta dinner was lousy, and same for the victory party. The route was okay, straight and easy. The weather was just perfect. The organizer needs to visit other marathons to learn how to do a better job next time. There was no first aid station anywhere on the route, and no event staffer patrolling route. Nothing was going on at the finish line. The medal was disappointing as well. Nobody in town knew about the marathon. I would not do the Vegas marathon again. Everthing was a rip off.
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 04, 2002
Must be much improved cuz I thought it was great!
Reading through the comments, one might get the idea that the LV Int'l Marathon isn't a good one. I found everything about it to be quality. While I'd like to finish on the Strip and all, the mostly-downhill run through the desert on a crisp February morning was terrific. The t-shirts are beautiful, and the medal is solid and attractive. I'm going to highly recommend it (even though I didn't get my PR)
By: Anonymous
Posted: November 04, 2001
Great race
This race is all about your pr! The course is straight and flat out in the open desert. What i love most is that there are not too many participants.
By: Anonymous
Posted: July 01, 2001
My 1st half and I loved it!
I am slow and I didn't mind being alone in the desert, as for spectators, brought my own and that is who counts.
Yes, the expo could be better and party alot cheaper.. Doing it again, what more could I want, a down hill race and gambling in one weekend!
By: Anonymous
Posted: June 12, 2001
Fast Course - Cheap Medals and Ugly T Shirt
course is good - flat just about all the way. However, weather can be tricky - perfect at start, hot during the last 1/3. Medals and tshirt are a Joke!!! Plus, why do we have to pay for post party. Small Expo, small crowd support.
By: Anonymous
Posted: May 19, 2001
Good marathon, fast course, but very rural
This marathon was great to get that PR, but be prepared to be out in the desert alone. Not much crowd support out on the old highway - point to point - tricky way to get you to finish, to take you 26 miles out of town and make you run back! Overall good marathon.
By: Anonymous
Posted: March 28, 2001
make the most of it
I strongly disagree with the runner from Chicago. Who cares if the cabbie knows about the race. I went there to qualify for Boston and did just that. This course is a fast course regardless of the first half incline. If your hoping to be entertained during the race, you're right...it's not going to happen. A fast time entertains me. I did this race in 2000 and 2001 and would return. I ran the 1999 Chicago marathon and would never go back, too many people and too many turns. If I want to see great sights as I run I would consider the Big Sur marathon, but to go there and not do a PR and blame it on the course would not be fair.(difficult couse but awesome sights.) Before running a race, you have to know what your running for. I do agree the medal needs a serious upgrade.
By: Anonymous
Posted: March 24, 2001
great weather and well organized
It was nice to have an excuse to visit Vegas other than for gambling and sin...NONE of the locals seemed to know about this race...do they do any promotions or make any efforts to increase awareness??? Spectator support was nil...weather, however, was great...72f and sunny by end of race. Logo on the race shirts and medals were quite 'cheesy' and a bit of a disappointment overall...would participate in this race again although I would hope for more local support, a better runners fair, better food/beverages at the finish area and it would be nice to see the course follow part of the famous 'strip' or go thru a less industrialized part of Vegas...
By: Anonymous
Posted: March 17, 2001
I would skip this one.
There are plenty of winter marathons to try without having to waste your training efforts on this one. (I have not done Houston, but I hear its a great one held about the same time of year). LVM is not a downhill course until the second half so don't be fooled. The expo is nothing special, especially considering this is Vegas, where things are done big, bright and loud. Overall organization is fine, no problems anywhere. The aid stations appear frequently and are stocked to give the people in the back adequate refreshments. Very little crowd support. I only met one cabbie who even knew there was a marathon in town. Did they advertise at all?? The finishers' medal was the saddest part of all. I have a medal from a local 5K race that is more impressive to look at than the finshers' medal from the LVM. Most people display their medals. Give us something that is worthy of running 26.2 miles, not the 50 cent piece of junk the organizers gave out for the 2001 race. Bottom line...DO NOT DO THIS RACE! Try your luck (sorry)somewhere other than Vegas !!! All your training is worth better.
By: Anonymous
Posted: March 04, 2001
bad start, great course
Personally, I loved the course. I didn't decide to run this marathon to see what was around me. I wanted to run fast, and the course gave me a chance to do that. As for the scenery, the sunrise on the bus ride out to the start was beautiful coming up over the mountains. I didn't mind that there were no spectators. I was in my own little world anyway. The start was awful. There seemed to be no warning for the start. 15-20 athletes were actually past the start line, including myself that were unaware that the start was about to happen. Some of the top finishers in the race actually had to run back to the start into the masses of people to run across the electronic timing system pads to avoid being disqualified. My finishing gun time and chip time ended up being 25 seconds apart due to this. That contributed to me basically running the race alone from the gun. The opportunity to start with others with similar ability and goals was lost. Since I got 5th overall, I think it would've been nice to run with some of the early leaders instead of picking my way through the masses. the finish was very nice. the people there were very helpful. I think a party with some 'real' food would've been nice at the awards. chips and pretzels just don't seem to cut it. One other thing that would be nice on the course is the availability of gels and something other than Ultima sport drink.
By: Anonymous
Posted: March 02, 2001
The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
It would be so easy to run straight into town and finish this in glamorous fashion. There is nothing glamorous about this marathon. It is ugly! But it does have one good thing going for it. It's fast. You can make up time on the downhill sections of the course. The bad is that you will need to make up some time because there are some grades in the first half and the last few miles are so flat and ugly that you will need a head start to get through them. The new & improved course takes you on a tour of industrial complex parking lots and then runs you along the airport toward the finish at a park. I lost count of the number of turns in the last several miles of the run. The straight-shot old course was much more to my liking. This new course is not pretty or fast enough for me. I'd rather drive 2 extra hours to do St. George!
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 23, 2001
fast, mostly downhill course; not too scenic
The Las Vegas marathon is a very well organized mid-winter event. The weather in 2001 was perfect - 40 degrees at the start,warming to 55 or so at the end. The mostly downhill course helped me reach a PR. The race starts outside Las Vegas and heads straight into the city. Once in Las Vegas the course stays off the high-rolling Strip. There are several turns before the finish in a municipal park. Don't expect too many spectators. If you aren't a gambler there isn't a lot to do before or after the race.
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 20, 2001
There's so much potential for a 35-year old race
The course is basically downhill, but so few turns, a little boring, but nonetheless easy.With all the big high rollers in Vegas, it's a shame that someone has not stepped forward to give it a big sponsorship that would probably result in a better-staged race. Because it is such a straight-line course, pacers would really help out. The one and only major drawback is that the busses that drop you off are so efficient, that you sit in a school bus for almost two hours doing absolutely nothing except tighten up and think about the additional sleep you could have had. Maybe a later bus schedule or bonfire upon arrival or something to get everyone revved up would have helped.
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 16, 2001
A new & good experience
The course is fast, though not the cakewalk some would have you believe. I went slower than expected on the first uphill & had to run hard downhill & on the flat at the end to get near what I had planned. There was a nasty little incline just around 20, also. I had hoped it would be cooler & I could have done without the headwind (very long drafting packs throughout the race), but the race organization was great & the dry weather was nice (compared to a typical race here in Hawai'i). I hope to do it again, but greedily want a tailwind & cool temperatures throughout.
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 16, 2001
Great marathon through the desert.
Even though I saw more jack rabbits than spectators while running this race and my biggest cheers came from the police officers directing traffic, I would recomend this race to anyone not running their first marathon. Weather was beautiful, course is fast and the entire event is very well organized. It is surreal seeing the finish area from 15 miles away. My only complaint - GET RID OF ULTIMA SPORTS DRINK!!!! It is by far the worst sports drink I have ever trained with and received at a race. It tastes terrible and has very little carbs compared to other drinks. It is a terrible choice for a marathon.
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 12, 2001
Great Race. Boston Bound
I ran this race in 2000. My goal for 2001 - return to Vegas and qualify for Boston. Goal completed! What a great feelng. Enjoyed everything about this race. Don't go for the crowd support, its light at best. Go for the course, its fast. Plenty to drink and eat. Buses could leave at 6am not 5am.
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 07, 2001
Good race but needs some adjustments
Buses should leave later. Course should stay open 6 hours. Host hotel should be flexible about an 11 A.M. mandatory checkout. A finish near the strip would be better. Volunteers were numerous and excellent. Bus loading was very effecient. Party should be post race, noon until 4:30 with awards, finisher shirt, food, drink. Most people have left by 6:30.
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 07, 2001
Use it as a tune-up/long run
I used this as my long run prior to Los Angeles in March and was glad I did. A good course with enough small hills, down hill and flat to make it a good run. Forget crowd support, even in the city. My biggest support came from the LVPD stopping traffic!! Speaking of the city, why not run through it instead of around it? Even a few miles on the Strip would make a huge difference. And please, can we ban Ultima from all races? This has to be the worst fluid replacement ever made. The finish area was small but efficient. Very classy at the bag pick-up to see you coming and have it ready as you got there. Major kudos in my book! I'll certainly return but getting on the bus 2 1/2 hours early to freeze in the desert or stay cramped on a bus? Even tents with heaters would be better!!
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 07, 2001
The Course That Keeps Giving
If you want a great shot at a marathon PR, and maybe an entry to Boston, I strongly recommend this marathon. This marathon is not about the pretty sights, though I enjoyed the Vegas skyline, IT'S ABOUT SPEED! And hey runners, get a clue...stay at the Hotel in Jean (where the marathon starts). I stayed at the Goldstrike in Jean and walked 1/8 mile to the starting line, 10 minutes before the start. Everyone else had to take a school bus (ha!) at 5am to the starting line. The organizers will give you everything promised, nothing more/nothing less. Water and Ultima every two miles, and one of the fastest courses in the world.
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 06, 2001
Nice terrain, nice topography & staff
Could be a better race if:1) finish was on the strip or at least last bit wasn't beside airport runways and needed more drinks, etc at finish. 2) Needs more publicity- most folks in LV didn't know race was even taking place 3) Buses leaving at 5am are too early, esp in this town!!!!- it's too hard to readjust schedule to get up at 4 am, and almost impossible to go to bed at 8pm! How about 6 am departure for buses, or a later start, or a circuit course?
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 06, 2001
Fast: yes, Fun: No way
Ok, so I've run 6 marathons so far, and yes I am not the fastest guy out there. But here is the deal: If you are looking for a PR, LV is for you. If you are looking for anything else, DO NOT. See, they drive you in a bus for about 30 minutes, almost to the CA border, dump you off in a Mobil gas station, and guess what? that's your starting line. There were no more than 10 Port-a-johns at the start. I did not even know the race got started until I heard people running. The first 15 to 16 miles, I counted about 7 people cheering. At the 1/2 mark, there was one guy standing, that's right, one guy. We were waving to the trains whistling by for cheering us on. Once you think you are about to enter the city, they take you into the slumps of the city, I saw car skeletons everywhere. As of there, I had yet to spot greenery. Finally, they make you run on an open highway by the airport, granted there were a lot of police directing traffic. By the end, they were a hundred people or so cheering on. Why have a marathon in Vegas if they do not want us to run in the city? Why have it in Vegas if you cannot run in the residential areas? I felt that the city did not care if we were there. Anyway, the transportation to and from the race was good, albeit we were given the wrong instructions in the brochure. If you are looking for a PR, go. If you are looking for a PR and fun and a good time, do not go. The high school kids did a great job at the splits.
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 05, 2001
Good first timer event
Having just returned from Vegas, here are my comments. I did not run in the race, I rode a bike and watched/cheered for several friends. Positives: PR type course, it is fast, but fair. Awesome weather (in 2001). Plenty of water and sports drink at the aid stations. Number of port-a-potties was adequate. Vegas is an easy location to reach from most West Coast cities. Negatives: Is it really necessary to arrive at the start line before 600am? Consider staying in the motels near the start to avoid this. Not many fans along the course, but, a first timer would not know this having nothing to compare it against. Almost no solid food or gels on the course. I only found random fruit pieces and cookies. Lack of 'big name' energy bar company sponsor might be the reason for this. Timing chips were used, yet no split times provided. A timing mat was set in the middle of the course, where did these times go? Overall, a good event. Check it out in 2002.
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 05, 2001
Good for PR and visit to Las Vegas
Good for PR and an excuse to visit Las Vegas (if that is your thing) but not much more. No lines for registration, but there was nothing exciting at the expo. Tee shirt was not as good as previous years. Bus transportation (from MGM Grand parking lot) to the race start (25 miles south of Las Vegas) was well organized. However, do you really need to get to the start two hours before the race starts? At least they let you stay on the bus until race time. Lots of porta-potties at the start and along the way.
First 8 miles are slight (200 ft) uphill, then ten miles of slight downhill (1000ft) and then 8 miles of flat. No spectators until about mile 20, and then only for a mile or two until the last half mile. Those spectators that were there were enthusiastic. Throughout the run, water support was plentiful and well staffed. Scenery was non-existent, consisting of desert and then commercial property or vacant lots until the finish.
Finishers medal was nothing to write home about. Both the tee shirt and medal have dice showing which run they were for (i.e. 35th running); however, the tee shirt showed a 3 and a 5, and the medal showed a 3 and a 4 (minor flaw). Bus transport from finish to pick-up point (MGM Grand parking lot) was again, well organized.
By: Anonymous
Posted: February 02, 2001
Bring a book...it'll break up the boredom
First off, this is an observation/opinion and not a complaint. The organization of the run and the volunteers are top drawer.
If you don't mind being able to see the finish line two hours before you cross it, then this is the run for you. You can see for miles ahead on this run and once you crest the hill around the halfway mark and look down into Las Vegas, your scenery doesn't change for quite awhile.
This is a good third or fourth marathon but as a first, it has a major thrill deficit.
Good luck to all.
By: Anonymous
Posted: January 19, 2001
GREAT RACE FOR A P.R.
This is a great race for a P.R. In 1992, I ran a 2:18 marathon here after trying to break 2:20 in three other races that year. I am thinking of going back now that I am a Masters runner to recapture some of the magic.
By: Anonymous
Posted: December 17, 2000
Fast course, mostly downhill
The course is a net downhill, but not too steep. Just right for a PR. The weather is ideal, starting in the 40s and finishing in the 60s. The first half is pretty desolate so there aren't many spectators in the beginning. Some runners say that the course is too straight but it's kind of fun seeing the strip from 10 miles out and running towards it. One improvement would be more portojohns at the start.
By: Anonymous
Posted: December 06, 2000
Flat, Fast, and Sunny!!!
The Vegas course was flat and fast. You see the Strip in the distance, but it never seems to get any closer. The only bummer is waiting on the bus for 2 hours before the race starts.
By: Anonymous
Posted: December 03, 2000
Exciting because of being in Las Vegas
Picking up the packets and finding the starting line for the 5K was confusing and not being familiar with the area required us to spend lots of time and money in taxi cabs. But had fun after all was said and done.
By: Anonymous
Posted: November 13, 2000
Great, mostly downhill course with cool temps!
I have run this race 7 times starting in 1986. While being called a 'downhill course' because it loses about 1000 feet overall, don't be disappointed that the first eight miles are actually uphill. Once you get past that milepost, it's all downhill for the next fifteen miles and then flat for the final three. The weather is usually cool at the start (around 40ish), sunny and warming to about 55-60 by the finish. My most memorable race was in 1989 when the weather gods did a number on LV. The start was freezing rain with temps aroung 33and a forty MPH TAILWIND for the whole race. Now, if you have never been on a downhill course with a forty MPH tailwind, I can tell you it was quite a trip. By the time we hit the downhill, the Wheelchair participants, whom we'd passed on the 8-mile uphill, were flying by us at 40 mph!! The wheelchair winner broke the US record by almost 45 minutes! (it didn't count though because of the course and tailwind). I had turned 50 three months before, and was trying to run under 3:10. When I crossed the finish line the clock registered 3:03!! It was well worth the chilly start and first mile or so until I warmed up to get such a good time. I am now 62 and ran LV last in 1999, but I wont tell you my time. LV is always a lot fun to run and play. Highly recommended by this Southern Calif. runner.
By: Anonymous
Posted: November 08, 2000
VIVA LAS VEGAS
This is the race to run for a PR. The course is down hill (although not enough to kill your quads.) and straight. The weather is nice, and the aid stations are well run. I particularly liked the way that water is handed out in small, sealed plastic bags instead of cups, allowing the runner to drink as he runs, without spilling half of it down the shirt. Crowd support is minimum (except for a jack rabbit or two.) The expo, t-shirt designs and medal could be better.This race could be more exciting if it finished along 'the strip', but overall, this is a very nice race.
By: Anonymous
Posted: September 14, 2000
remember where you are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I ran the 1/2 last year as a tune-up for a spring marathon in Cleveland. I thought scenery, course and staff were oustanding!!! This is VEGAS live it up and have a great time because remember your family is back home where it cold and snowing
By: Anonymous
Posted: July 11, 2000
The best place in the world to qualify for Boston.
This race was my first Boston qualifier in 1998. It's a great course for a PR if you can run fast without spectator support and little change in scenery from start to finish. Don't expect anyone in LV but the runners to know there's a marathon going on but the runners are the friendliest I've ever encountered at a marathon that is geared for a PR -- try chatting with the die-hards in Chicago at mile 18! Yes, it is a cold, long wait at the start, but thankfully, we can wait on the buses. Try three hours in a tent at Boston wrapped up in garbage bags freezing. This is a great race. I try to run it every year.
By: Anonymous
Posted: June 22, 2000
All down hill with many up hills.
We also stayed in another hotel. However, we had no problem finding the Expo. The first half is up and down, but the last half is mostly downhill. The aid stations were well-staffed. The only complaint was being bused to the start line two hours before the race began. It was soooo cold, we took refuge in the local 'Sleaze-Eze' Casino until a few minutes before the race. Plenty of smoke-enhanced, drunken gamblers to party with! Start line served donuts!!! Other than those few oddities, not a bad course. Many 'serious' runners.
By: Anonymous
Posted: May 02, 2000
Las Vegas needs a better pre-race organization
My friend & I ran in this marathon this year. The problems we encountered were in finding the packet pick up location. Since we did not stay at the host hotel, we ended up walking for 3 hours the day prior to the race just trying to find the expo and packet pick up. We were tired before we started. No one at the MGM Grand could even tell us where we should go. The registration info gave a location, but when trying to navigate the las vegas scene, this was not much help. Suggest packet mailing would be good idea.