Message Category: Anything Else
Topic: Charity Running Programs - What Do You Think

Reply: From: Date:	giving people like me a bad name Stephen Tobey 11/21/05 9:05:32 PM ET
When I read about the JeansMarines fiasco, I was disgusted. In June, I finished (notice I did not say "run" because I walked just about all of it) the Kona Marathon as part of the Train to End Stroke program. My time was longer than seven hours, but there was a nine-hour clock time. Given my training, injury problems and experience, that was probably the best I could have done on that particular day. I would have liked to do better and run more of the event and I look forward to trying another marathon and doing better and going faster, but I'm still glad I did it and proud of the finisher's medal. BUT at no point did anybody suggest that I take a shortcut and at no point did I even think of taking a shortcut (without chips, it would have been easy to get away with cheating, too). I could not have lived with myself had I cheated. One of the reasons I selected Kona was because of the nine-hour clock time. Had I chosen a race with a shorter clock time, such as the Vermont City Marathon (6 hours) or San Diego (7 hours) or USMC, I would have made darned sure I was prepared to finish within the alloted time. I'm sure the controversy about slow runner/walkers or charity runner/walkers will go on and on, but I do feel that anyone who enters any marathon has an obligation to be sufficiently trained and prepared to finish before the cutoff time. Post a reply on the Bulletin Board
Message thread: Charity Running Programs - What Do You Think - [John Elliott 11/14/05 9:01:42 AM ET] Yes it matters - [Bob Long 11/14/05 12:05:35 PM ET] They should follow the rules too - [Mark Seaburg 11/14/05 12:28:40 PM ET] Charity Running Programs - [Bill 11/14/05 12:49:29 PM ET] Question the Leadership - [Brian Adams 11/14/05 1:07:38 PM ET] Did JeansMarines Know that it was wrong to cheat? - [John Elliott 11/14/05 1:33:32 PM ET] All 26.2 or Nothing! - [Terri 11/14/05 2:03:45 PM ET] Marathons are for running - [sfrunner 11/14/05 2:23:01 PM ET] Interesting Information - [R. Evans 11/14/05 3:07:54 PM ET] Marathon Charity Runners - [ap 11/14/05 4:02:36 PM ET] Not good - [Phil 11/14/05 4:36:14 PM ET] cheating is cheating is cheating - [spieri 11/14/05 4:36:15 PM ET] what do they tell their friends - [Alan 11/14/05 5:43:26 PM ET] It's either a marathon or it's not - [Mark G 11/14/05 6:49:38 PM ET] Cheating is wrong and should not be tolerated - [SMP 11/14/05 8:56:20 PM ET] Preferential treatment - [Pati 11/14/05 10:23:31 PM ET] Runner with two perspectives - [RLY 11/14/05 11:01:58 PM ET] This breaks my heart - [Young Male 11/15/05 3:02:55 AM ET] My thoughts - [Robert 11/15/05 9:25:29 AM ET] Should Run/Walk 26.2 No Less - [RobertM 11/15/05 9:56:00 AM ET] Enough with 'self esteem' and play by the rules - [Richard Hubbard 11/15/05 10:02:31 AM ET] On the other hand ... - [SMP 11/15/05 11:16:22 AM ET] A Positive Thing (in the long run) - [hillrunner 11/15/05 3:30:05 PM ET] Marathonguide why are you sugar-coating it? - [Greg 11/15/05 4:44:10 PM ET] Absolutely Shameful! - [Frances 11/15/05 8:51:21 PM ET] Call me a running snob - [Kerry 11/15/05 10:44:33 PM ET] Marine Corps takes Integrity Seriously - [CJ Taylor 11/15/05 11:15:43 PM ET] The real problem is the training! - [Millie Katzen 11/16/05 7:03:25 AM ET] Flabbergasted!! - [Randy 11/16/05 7:51:31 AM ET] Good For Them - [Alan 11/16/05 8:05:57 AM ET] Let them have their own race(s)...... - [Bambi 11/16/05 8:55:15 AM ET] Alternatives for charity - [pati 11/16/05 9:11:55 AM ET] Cheating is cheating - [CTurk 11/16/05 10:57:48 AM ET] Why do you care? - [JackieR 11/16/05 10:59:06 AM ET] Get up and do something good - [Colleen 11/16/05 11:43:49 AM ET] Colleen ... you've got to be kidding. JM runners don't fundrais - [Kerry 11/16/05 1:40:44 PM ET] If you quit, you quit - [P. Bartels 11/16/05 1:41:07 PM ET] Reply to Colleen - [Bob Long 11/16/05 3:22:26 PM ET] One rule - [Phil 11/16/05 4:54:46 PM ET] Another Rule - [Cricket 11/16/05 5:57:56 PM ET] Colleen's "Charity Cheaters" - [Bambi 11/16/05 5:59:28 PM ET] Charity Cheaters (contd....) - [Bambi 11/16/05 6:00:52 PM ET] Pati and Bambi - [Cricket 11/16/05 6:45:33 PM ET] Bambi has got to be kidding - [Chris 11/16/05 7:18:14 PM ET] charity runners - [darrell sergent 11/16/05 8:08:20 PM ET] TNT Runner - [AggieRunner 11/16/05 8:23:23 PM ET] Is Charity-Running Itself the Problem? - [margotdarby 11/16/05 8:39:21 PM ET] Pati - Do your research - [runningmad 11/16/05 9:15:18 PM ET] Jeans Marines - Dr. Jean - [Kerry 11/16/05 9:39:38 PM ET] What a bunch of angry, hateful women - [CTurk 11/17/05 10:30:01 AM ET] "our own race" - [Tom 11/17/05 10:54:12 AM ET] A TNT Coach perspective - [Philip 11/17/05 11:16:23 AM ET] undeserved metals at Disney - [Andrew 11/17/05 12:30:40 PM ET] The Value of Marathon Running - [PJOlson 11/17/05 1:04:00 PM ET] Wow - [canuckrunner 11/17/05 1:59:49 PM ET] My earlier comments retracted - [Young Male 11/17/05 2:04:29 PM ET] Walking 26.2 Miles is NOT a Marathon - [Mike from Los Angeles 11/17/05 2:32:45 PM ET] Mike, are you REALLY that stoopid?? - [Andrew 11/17/05 2:54:17 PM ET] All are right - [Alan Birdsell 11/17/05 3:09:44 PM ET] Going to Extremes... - [Geoff 11/17/05 3:23:04 PM ET] Mike from L.A.'s Post..... - [Bambi 11/17/05 4:14:33 PM ET] TNT...Are they really Charity Cheaters? - [William Niesson 11/17/05 5:34:01 PM ET] William the great - [Chris 11/17/05 7:48:10 PM ET] YOUNG MALE - [Chris 11/17/05 8:04:14 PM ET] Sorry to hurt little Chris's feelings - [William Niesson 11/17/05 8:06:42 PM ET] Charity (ch)eaters! Get it? - [Bambi 11/17/05 8:19:43 PM ET] Try to understand and forgive - [Mervyn 11/17/05 9:15:27 PM ET] JM has apologized - [anne2go 11/17/05 9:56:25 PM ET] new to marathoning but already have opinion - [clubchick 11/18/05 12:29:50 AM ET] 1st time marathoner's view - [Tom Ross 11/18/05 1:12:42 AM ET] Chris is a loser - [Young Male 11/18/05 2:09:59 AM ET] New Website - [Bambi 11/18/05 5:21:33 AM ET] YOUNG MALE - [Chris 11/18/05 7:57:56 AM ET] William - [Chris 11/18/05 8:04:04 AM ET] Four things on my mind.... - [JoJo McQueen 11/18/05 9:57:51 AM ET] Teammates - [Tom 11/18/05 10:31:45 AM ET] Oorah! - [SMP 11/18/05 10:34:46 AM ET] Chris's feelings - [Tom 11/18/05 10:41:49 AM ET] Red Badges of Courage - [CJ Taylor 11/18/05 11:31:58 AM ET] Could this be ??? - [JackieR 11/18/05 12:11:08 PM ET] TOM - [Chris 11/18/05 12:57:23 PM ET] If you complete 26.2, you're a marathoner - [Janet 11/18/05 2:26:49 PM ET] Hey Janet - [Chris 11/18/05 3:54:28 PM ET] Whattodo? - [runnerbob 11/18/05 4:01:05 PM ET] from a charity marathon finisher - [Jerry Nairn 11/18/05 4:56:46 PM ET] Bambi - [Jessica 11/18/05 5:00:48 PM ET] Is it just me... - [Athena 11/18/05 6:00:35 PM ET] What does Mr. Webster have to say? - [You can walk all day . . . 11/18/05 7:02:22 PM ET] Dr. Jean's Apology - [Jerry Nairn 11/19/05 1:39:27 AM ET] Volksmarch - [Runnerbob 11/19/05 7:09:19 AM ET] Charity programs - [Millie Katzen 11/19/05 7:29:52 AM ET] Ruiz all over again??? - [Zeke 11/19/05 11:27:59 AM ET] ridiculous - [lem1234 11/19/05 2:00:00 PM ET] 1st Marathon and they should be ashamed - [joanne 11/19/05 9:11:39 PM ET] For most, TNT is an outstanding experience - [Rick R 11/19/05 9:49:52 PM ET] my opinion - [PD 11/19/05 9:52:00 PM ET] Slow runner - [philip 11/20/05 7:08:25 AM ET] Whose race is it, anyway? - [Janet 11/20/05 7:23:34 AM ET] To Chris - [Janet 11/20/05 7:31:02 AM ET] Who's race is it any way - [Tom 11/20/05 9:04:12 AM ET] Tom's got a good point - [runnerbob 11/20/05 12:14:15 PM ET] Cheating the real finishers - [Royce Jacomen 11/20/05 12:46:57 PM ET] not Rosie Ruiz, just a slippery slope - [margotdarby 11/20/05 1:25:40 PM ET] yup-Tom is correct - [kr 11/20/05 1:32:28 PM ET] TNT Runner - [Glenn 11/20/05 6:23:48 PM ET] economic reality and second-tier marathons - [margotdarby 11/20/05 7:13:13 PM ET] time limits - [Geoff 11/20/05 9:34:55 PM ET] Here's why! - [Disgusted 11/21/05 12:04:43 AM ET] I've got an idea! - [Disgusted 11/21/05 12:12:13 AM ET] I'm Puzzled Tom - [Roger 11/21/05 12:31:49 AM ET] The last word - [Bambi 11/21/05 6:34:55 AM ET] Don't be puzzled - [Chris 11/21/05 9:07:29 AM ET] On second thought - [Chris 11/21/05 9:40:14 AM ET] Some questions - [Pam 11/21/05 9:52:45 AM ET] Don't be puzzled - [Tom 11/21/05 10:02:38 AM ET] Geoff,Disgusted,Pam - [Tom 11/21/05 10:20:13 AM ET] Bambi/Thumper..Get it Thump(her) - [hillrunner 11/21/05 11:25:10 AM ET] Programs are fine - [Patrick Lynam 11/21/05 11:53:10 AM ET] There are enough races for everyone - [G8rrunner 11/21/05 11:53:37 AM ET] Hey Bambi...it is your old pal, "thumper" - [Thumper 11/21/05 12:23:01 PM ET] I think this discussion has gone awry... - [Run42 11/21/05 1:03:19 PM ET] Having said all of that.... - [Run42 11/21/05 1:10:02 PM ET] Hey G8rrunner... - [Run42 11/21/05 1:37:56 PM ET] Geoff - right on the mark, but.... - [Run42 11/21/05 1:48:10 PM ET] re: Geoff - right on the mark, but.... - [Geoff 11/21/05 2:36:10 PM ET] To TNT Runner and Others With Similar Views - [Lee 11/21/05 3:36:43 PM ET] RE: "JM Has Apologized" - [Lee 11/21/05 3:46:10 PM ET] To Run42...not sure what you mean - [G8rrunner 11/21/05 4:01:29 PM ET] The Jury Is Still Out on TNT - [Disgusted 11/21/05 4:02:46 PM ET] Re:"JM Has Apologized" - [Lee 11/21/05 4:11:45 PM ET] Charity Only Races??? - [girlrunner 11/21/05 5:25:17 PM ET] The Reality - [Mike from Los Angeles 11/21/05 6:05:38 PM ET] giving people like me a bad name - [Stephen Tobey 11/21/05 9:05:32 PM ET] Team to end stroke got it right - [strollerpusher 11/22/05 1:46:53 AM ET] A casual observation - [Richard Pendergrast 11/22/05 6:00:47 AM ET] Team to End Stroke - [Bambi 11/22/05 9:16:50 AM ET] What I find most disturbing - [Run42 11/22/05 10:06:23 AM ET] Does Bambi speak for all runners - [Pati 11/22/05 10:39:21 AM ET] RE:Does Bambi speak for all runners - [PJOlson 11/22/05 10:55:58 AM ET] G8rrunner.... - [Run42 11/22/05 11:03:01 AM ET] Well said PJ - [Run42 11/22/05 11:15:23 AM ET] There is no justice - [Bambi 11/22/05 11:56:26 AM ET] I really have to admit it... - [Slow Kona guy 11/22/05 3:17:54 PM ET] last word on this topic - [Mervyn Chin 11/22/05 6:11:02 PM ET] Well said, Mervyn - [Bambi 11/22/05 6:27:36 PM ET] Charity runner, now a Marathon runner - [Deb 11/22/05 7:18:08 PM ET] respect the event - [TomR 11/22/05 8:07:13 PM ET] Yikes! - [Maureen Milliken 11/22/05 10:45:40 PM ET] charity vs cheating - [BJeanne 11/22/05 11:23:15 PM ET] Thanks - [Maureen Milliken 11/22/05 11:43:31 PM ET] That somewhat irritating Penguin culture - [Arnaud 11/22/05 11:53:35 PM ET] Pro Rata???? - [Mike from Shanghai 11/23/05 4:15:33 AM ET] Re: Charity Running Programs - What Do You Think - [Mike from Shanghai 11/23/05 4:38:01 AM ET] Bambi, you vile thing! - [runnerbob 11/23/05 12:46:15 PM ET] Mike From Shangai-Another Limiting Factor - [Lee 11/23/05 1:07:32 PM ET] Why are you so angry? - [Steve Parsons 11/23/05 1:37:05 PM ET] Charity doesn't mean slow - [Maureen M 11/23/05 1:56:18 PM ET] TNT Info, Cheating - [Steve 11/23/05 3:03:44 PM ET] Bambi is clueless - [Jeff 11/23/05 9:32:30 PM ET] Race etiquette - [Arnaud 11/23/05 10:33:23 PM ET] To Lee - great post - [Mike from Shanghai 11/24/05 1:12:16 AM ET] Now that I'm a slower runner. . . - [Janet 11/24/05 6:37:03 AM ET] Happy Thanksgiving! - [Bambi 11/24/05 7:59:46 PM ET] Bambi you are hilarious !!! - [Arnaud 11/24/05 8:07:43 PM ET] to Bambi - [diane 11/24/05 11:12:54 PM ET] It's all about respect - [Stephen Tobey 11/25/05 2:12:48 AM ET] To runnersBob - [Arnaud 11/25/05 2:45:53 AM ET] Thank you..... - [Bambi 11/25/05 7:56:16 AM ET] respect and marathons - [kevin dolan 11/25/05 11:20:11 AM ET] a question about charity runners... - [Geoff 11/25/05 2:35:10 PM ET] Charity runners do get their trip - [Al 11/25/05 3:03:11 PM ET] The funniest thing is - [Stephen Tobey 11/25/05 4:21:26 PM ET] Charity Running Programs - What Do You Think - [Cameron 11/25/05 4:32:46 PM ET] Hell Yes it matters. - [John Tackett 11/25/05 6:22:36 PM ET] expenses for charity runners - [Geoff 11/25/05 7:17:49 PM ET] Not all charity runners get fees, etc. paid - [Maureen Milliken 11/25/05 7:56:42 PM ET] a break down of where the charity money goes - [Arnaud 11/25/05 8:36:50 PM ET] Stephen, - [Arnaud 11/25/05 8:45:01 PM ET] thanks maureen - [Geoff 11/25/05 9:29:32 PM ET] Where is the money going - [Tom 11/25/05 9:46:35 PM ET] Geoff just a Little shifty? - [Tom 11/25/05 10:06:26 PM ET] where the donation money goes? TnT example - [Arnaud 11/26/05 1:00:55 AM ET] Wow - [Darylljsmith 11/26/05 9:11:46 AM ET] I find it somewhat odd - [Stephen Tobey 11/26/05 2:10:30 PM ET] Tom - just a little shifty - [Geoff 11/26/05 2:38:28 PM ET] Shifty - [Tom 11/26/05 4:28:18 PM ET] Unearned medals - [Tom 11/26/05 4:41:01 PM ET] Stolen valor - [Tom 11/26/05 4:55:12 PM ET] Stephen gets it right (again)! - [Bambi 11/26/05 5:57:28 PM ET] TNT's Overhead Costs - [Lee 11/26/05 7:27:33 PM ET] Hey Lee.... - [Bambi 11/26/05 8:39:33 PM ET] overhead costs and runners benefits -Lee - [Arnaud 11/26/05 9:14:13 PM ET] enough 'o that shit! - [Arnaud 11/27/05 4:40:52 AM ET] 42.2 km away vs. 8.85 km up - [Mike from Shanghai 11/27/05 9:52:48 AM ET] Mike from Shanghai.... - [Bambi 11/27/05 5:18:55 PM ET] Thanks Bambi - [Lee 11/28/05 8:24:34 AM ET] Everyone has an opinion - [Dave 11/29/05 9:43:08 AM ET] To Bambi - [Dave 11/29/05 10:06:11 AM ET] Charity Running Programs - Yes!!! - [Charlie Riesz 11/29/05 4:16:10 PM ET] Semper Fi Charlie! - [brain 11/30/05 9:09:43 AM ET] Thank you Charlie - [g8rrunner 11/30/05 10:14:17 AM ET] Re: Semper Fi Charlie! - [Charlie Riesz 11/30/05 4:28:18 PM ET] Re: Thank you Charlie - [Charlie Riesz 11/30/05 4:29:40 PM ET] cheaters - [hammer 12/3/05 11:03:55 AM ET] Shame on you - [Geoff Martin 12/4/05 1:08:56 PM ET] Rob peter to pay paul and glow wild - [jj 12/10/05 3:27:20 PM ET] Love the Bambi comments - [HeyHey 12/29/05 4:58:18 PM ET]

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